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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 12, 2021 12:57:01 GMT
Well, that's a guaranteed buy. Also, nice to Angela Bruce returning to the world of Doctor Who. A part of me is now wondering whether her being involved in this release might indicate that Brigadier Bambera will be making an appearance in a future UNIT boxset. Would be great to see her back in the role
If they sorted out things with Ben Aaronovitch than its possible Raine Creevy could also return
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 13:19:30 GMT
Well, that's a guaranteed buy. Also, nice to Angela Bruce returning to the world of Doctor Who. A part of me is now wondering whether her being involved in this release might indicate that Brigadier Bambera will be making an appearance in a future UNIT boxset. It would be nice if she did. It's odd Bambera has been used so sparingly by BF. It would be an "oh shame" if she didn't reappear!
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Post by mark687 on Sept 23, 2021 14:10:30 GMT
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Post by grinch on Sept 23, 2021 14:19:06 GMT
Reminds me a lot of The Master of Callous for some reason. Maybe it’s the fact it’s set in one location?
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Post by mark687 on Oct 20, 2021 15:04:05 GMT
Trailer Online
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 1, 2021 14:16:40 GMT
Write up for this in the latest Vortex is great. Really sounds unique and very appropriate for the Time War. Very much looking forward to it and how it builds upon its portrayal of the Doctor in the previous set.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 3, 2021 2:44:15 GMT
It's a good trailer, but... I dunno... I'm still undecided. First set was pretty dull, I found, but it was also kind of oriented around establishing the character and making the case for this range existing in the first place... maybe the second set will be better now that they're freer to just take the character in any direction? Less pressure, and all that.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 8, 2021 9:33:18 GMT
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Post by bonehead on Dec 8, 2021 14:20:23 GMT
It's interesting. Following the release of the War Doctor Begins 1 set, there was huge acclaim for this series, but there have also been viewpoints expressed that it is unneccessary and not an especially interesting story to continue telling. The question is - are these new War Doctor stories really that good that they can survive the sad passing of the lead actor, resulting in a pretty rapid recast? My answer would be yes and no. There's nothing vital that needs to be told, but I find this series' 'spin' on the War Doctor universe such fun to listen to and Jonathan Carley is virtually indirstinguishingable from the late, great John Hurt in his vocal mannerisms - and the early days of this previously unknown version of the Doctor are definitely worth exploring (and of course, I get the impression this sells well) - so with that in mind, I was delighted this should be released so early in the month.
2.1 Consequences by Timothy X Atack
This was a loud and bombastic piece with lots of good moments, but ultimately, I'm not sure what it was actually about, other than 'war is hell.' The story is very much that of the character of Case - I'm not sure about the delivery of certain lines, which seem a little laboured through their 'cockney' affectations, but she comes into her own at the end. Nice to hear Angela Bruce again not sure about the accent. I like that many things on the ravaged planet resembles Sol 3, and I also enjoyed the Louise Jameson cameo! I think this fits in well with the overall 'journey', but I feel this is a slight step down from the storties on the previous set (althout relistens might change that).
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Post by mark687 on Dec 8, 2021 14:29:02 GMT
Very good as usual, a nice by the books Who entry
Very good Cast and quite tight Direction considering it was a Remote recording.
So far The War Doctor Begins is proving to be an enjoyable experience and respectful tribute.
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 8, 2021 16:46:13 GMT
I think I'll be having a relisten over Christmas, as I'm not convinced I knew what was going on 100% of the time, but I enjoyed Warbringer a lot. As bonehead says, it's hard to know what Consequences was really about, other than "war is hell". Without going into the set too much, it does become clearer by the end structurally, but I think I'd have liked something a bit meatier. It is quite a bonkers episode, with a lot of larger than life characters! The final 10 minutes of Consequences are good, especially when they discuss the War Doctor's previous actions, but really that should have been in this set, as it's a natural continuation from where he is by the end of Forged in Fire. To do a jump in time provides a disconnect, which is a shame. Having said that, we do get some good material for the War Doctor and elements that show us his logic and things that were previously "Doctor-y" are now being done to his advantage, almost manipulative in places, particularly in Saviour. In fact, Warbringer touches upon a couple of my wishes for War Doctor stories a tad. I'd like a Doctor lite story, where we see him from the perspective of a new character and what they think to his actions. Consequences is a Doctor lite, but doesn't really go in that direction. Saviour has a big of a ragtag crew for a time, which I think make for the perfect foil to this incarnation, but again doesn't really go in that direction for the most part. Jonathan Carley really shines and the guest cast are all great too. Looking forward to my relisten and the continuing adventures of the War Doctor.
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Post by melkur on Dec 8, 2021 17:34:34 GMT
Have just finished listening to 'Consequences' and, yes, whilst it's a great episode (and box-opener), it did take me a little while to get 'into' it.
I'm doing some last-minute volunteering this evening, but have just made a start on 'Destroyer'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 14:01:48 GMT
I decided against purchasing this one as I didn’t mind the first set but i just felt it really like the HURT sets and the Time War sets as more of the same thing geez i have been saving money lately but perhaps that’s a good thing a, really being selective now instead of wishfully thinking that a release will be great 😂
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 9, 2021 16:39:16 GMT
I decided against purchasing this one as I didn’t mind the first set but i just felt it really like the HURT sets and the Time War sets as more of the same thing geez i have been saving money lately but perhaps that’s a good thing a, really being selective now instead of wishfully thinking that a release will be great 😂 This is where I'm at after the last two Missy sets. Probably best in the long run to wait a few months for the dust to settle before considering a new release... i think very often the "fan consensus" (such as it is) tends to re-appraise stories different after a few weeks, and the novelty factor of the shiny new thing being new and shiny has worn off. Of course, I'm also in a position where I've got a ton of old stuff to listen to, I'm not quite as invested in the latest and greatest releases being "good."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 17:50:00 GMT
I decided against purchasing this one as I didn’t mind the first set but i just felt it really like the HURT sets and the Time War sets as more of the same thing geez i have been saving money lately but perhaps that’s a good thing a, really being selective now instead of wishfully thinking that a release will be great 😂 This is where I'm at after the last two Missy sets. Probably best in the long run to wait a few months for the dust to settle before considering a new release... i think very often the "fan consensus" (such as it is) tends to re-appraise stories different after a few weeks, and the novelty factor of the shiny new thing being new and shiny has worn off. Of course, I'm also in a position where I've got a ton of old stuff to listen to, I'm not quite as invested in the latest and greatest releases being "good." Yeah i can see where you are coming from with it and lets be honest its not a cheap entertainment anymore. I just became more aware of what i actually enjoy now and what i dont a few people on here know my tastes and will may suggestions if they think i will enjoy something which is also something appreciated and i dont tend to anymore pre order years in advance maybe now and now at two maybe three months in advance but nothing more than that.I also stopped Bundling stuff too as if i really dont enjoy something i would rather not be tied into it when i would most certainly have stopped.
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Post by bonehead on Dec 9, 2021 20:50:28 GMT
Destroyer.
Some random thoughts ...
Perhaps it is a mistake to 'review' each individual episode of an ongoing story, but I don't feel I'm enjoying this as much as the first set at this point. John Banks' Belus sounds uncannily like Razor (alias John Simms' Master) from 'World Enough and Time,' which is nice; Nigel Fairs' sinister Faren is probably my favourite character, and I enjoyed the Daleks referring to part-time-cockney-robot Case as 'it'.
Perhaps I've been spoiled by how much I've recently loved the tumbling chaos of 'Flux', but that's how I would have expected the Time War to be. A war involving time is a mighty concept, and yet we have people standing around talking a lot, and the War Doctor (the still brilliant Jonathan Carley) gets pushed around (mainly by Olistra-lite Tamasan) and knocked out, and shows no sign of being the feared and abhorred 'dark' persona on which his reputation is built.
This is okay - the sound design remains cinematic and huge, and Nick Briggs get to reel off his usual Dalek lines - but it isn't great, like I felt the last set was. Perhaps the final episode will ramp things up a little.
Edit: is there some confusion about the order of the stories? According to Louise Jameson in the extras, 'Consequences' is story 2, but I have it as story 1, with 'Destroyer' as the second one. Anyone noticed any discrepancy, or have I missed something?
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Post by Who Review on Dec 12, 2021 22:59:09 GMT
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 15, 2021 9:47:45 GMT
I rather like the explanation for why even “the monster incarnation” of the Doctor doesn’t use guns.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Dec 15, 2021 13:06:55 GMT
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Post by bonehead on Dec 17, 2021 18:15:10 GMT
2.3 Saviour by Jonathan Morris.
Jonathan Morris is a terrific writer, and here has delivered a story that to some extent justifies occasionally blurred moments in previous episodes as well as telling an enjoyable episode in its own right. There are some great moments. Case, who is so much better witout her 'mockney' disalogue, becomes very interesting and Ajjaz Awad plays her very well. Sound design as ever, sells the 'war is hell' chaos.
Problem is, The War Doctor is never allowed to justify his role as 'the forgotten Doctor' - and that must be a problem for Big Finish. He's not alowwed to be too evil because despite what he says, he is the Doctor, and he eventually regenerates into that nice Christopher Eccleston. Also, this latest box set emerges as an enjoyable Dalek story that could have just as easily have been told with a 'nicer' Doctor, in the non-War universe, whereas the first set managed to bypass these more traditional trappings and tell something delightfully off-kilter. This set has been more 'it does what it says on the tin', and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm happy the next set seems to be three standalone stories, because it might contain a few more surprises.
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