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Post by bonehead on Nov 25, 2021 18:34:47 GMT
I mean they could do government torture with Val Doonican 😂 "No - not the Christmas jumper!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 18:36:08 GMT
I mean they could do government torture with Val Doonican 😂 "No - not the Christmas jumper!" 😂 Of course Belinda characters priority would be the TV LICENSE 😂
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Post by bonehead on Nov 26, 2021 13:30:49 GMT
My Generation. (Mild spoilers ...)
This story goes on to examine how awful those in charge often are to others. Ageism and homophobia are featured here, and Lucy is exposed as a bit of a dinosaur, at least initially. The character Robin is spokesperson for his generation of younger people, and 'The Veil', although interesting, seems more Blake's 7 than Survivors. These studious, educated young men - no women, surprisingly - might be the dullest villains in the series so far. Noble some of these sentiments may be, but it doesn't make for scintillating audio drama.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 13:41:11 GMT
My Generation. (Mild spoilers ...)
This story goes on to examine how awful those in charge often are to others. Ageism and homophobia are featured here, and Lucy is exposed as a bit of a dinosaur, at least initially. The character Robin is spokesperson for his generation of younger people, and 'The Veil', although interesting, seems more Blake's 7 than Survivors. These studious, educated young men - no women, surprisingly - might be the dullest villains in the series so far. Noble some of these sentiments may be, but it doesn't make for scintillating audio drama. It was the weakest of the stories tbh for me
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Post by bonehead on Nov 26, 2021 13:45:48 GMT
My Generation. (Mild spoilers ...)
This story goes on to examine how awful those in charge often are to others. Ageism and homophobia are featured here, and Lucy is exposed as a bit of a dinosaur, at least initially. The character Robin is spokesperson for his generation of younger people, and 'The Veil', although interesting, seems more Blake's 7 than Survivors. These studious, educated young men - no women, surprisingly - might be the dullest villains in the series so far. Noble some of these sentiments may be, but it doesn't make for scintillating audio drama. It was the weakest of the stories tbh for me Listening to the extras, and hearing how the cast and crew put everything into the story, and the weight of the final scenes, makes me wonder if I just wasn't in the right mood for it. Having said that, we can't like everything!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 13:57:12 GMT
It was the weakest of the stories tbh for me Listening to the extras, and hearing how the cast and crew put everything into the story, and the weight of the final scenes, makes me wonder if I just wasn't in the right mood for it. Having said that, we can't like everything!
(Love the new avatar  ) Nah am getting enough politics day to day witho9ut politics on audio lol i haven’t listened to the extras yet...am interested in the demise of two characters lol one i wont particularly miss but {Spoiler} PETER ??
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Post by bonehead on Dec 4, 2021 14:59:38 GMT
1.3 Behind You by Roland Moore.
Now this is more like it. After the previous effort, which I found so disappointing it put me off listening to the remainder of the set for a while, Roland Moore's story is a kind of tragi-horror-comedy - but don't be put off by that last word; it all becomes suitably dark! Horror maestro Jonathan Rigby brilliantly plays Leonard Cross, whose story is ... a bit of a tangle. He's excellent, and shares many great scenes with son Tobias (Cameron Percival) and Abby. Jenny has her own story strand which isn't quite so enthralling, but is still very good, and involves her displaying some refreshing flashes of anger.
This is Survivors just the way I like it, told in a compelling way, featuring characters of real depth (including a possible new regular, Ulrik). Brilliant. Thankfully, I'm optimistic about New Dawn 2 again.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Dec 4, 2021 19:22:29 GMT
Pity poor {Spoiler} Jackie. If ever a fictional character deserved peace in the afterlife it's her! 
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Post by bonehead on Dec 4, 2021 19:35:17 GMT
Pity poor {Spoiler} Jackie. If ever a fictional character deserved peace in the afterlife it's her!  Yep ...
{Spoiler} ... and for her to have died so pointlessly and undramatically was a further blow.
I love that Survivors can do that kind of thing though!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 9:36:34 GMT
Pity poor {Spoiler} Jackie. If ever a fictional character deserved peace in the afterlife it's her!  I kind of enjoyed getting rid of her ðŸ¤
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Dec 5, 2021 13:48:34 GMT
Pity poor {Spoiler} Jackie. If ever a fictional character deserved peace in the afterlife it's her!  I kind of enjoyed getting rid of her 🤠No soul, man. No soul! Finished this last night. Speaking of moving, pointless deaths Behind You had it's moments too. One day soon I'm going to marathon Survivors - TV and audio - together!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 13:51:03 GMT
I kind of enjoyed getting rid of her 🤠No soul, man. No soul! Finished this last night. Speaking of moving, pointless deaths Behind You had it's moments too. One day soon I'm going to marathon Survivors - TV and audio - together! 😂😂 all souled out lol
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Post by elkawho on Dec 13, 2021 4:13:54 GMT
I just finished Chapter 2, "My Generation". I don't like the character of Robin. In the extras they talk about how brave and moral he is, but that is not how I would describe him. Actually, he's selfish, egotistical and self-aggrandizing. By the end, he's just another awful person using others to get what he wants. Abby is the victim of a horrible crime, and he is about to force her to relive it on the radio whether she wants to or not. No thought is given to her safety by that point, or the fact that he is about to coerce her. So no, he's not brave. He's a bully, but I guess that's all he knows how to be.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Dec 15, 2021 13:47:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 16:17:25 GMT
I just finished Chapter 2, "My Generation". I don't like the character of Robin. In the extras they talk about how brave and moral he is, but that is not how I would describe him. Actually, he's selfish, egotistical and self-aggrandizing. By the end, he's just another awful person using others to get what he wants. Abby is the victim of a horrible crime, and he is about to force her to relive it on the radio whether she wants to or not. No thought is given to her safety by that point, or the fact that he is about to coerce her. So no, he's not brave. He's a bully, but I guess that's all he knows how to be. I just didn’t like story 2..perhaps if i relisten to it and think on what you have said maybe that could be the reason why...but not too soon 😂
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Post by TommyP on Apr 10, 2022 23:55:10 GMT
Over the last couple of months I’ve been watching/listening to all of Survivors in order. One thing tho what happened to baby Paul?! He seems to just disappear and then it will get brought up that Jenny is a mother and then that it again… I find it odd that with the new Time setting for New Dawn they didn’t have him as one of the gang leaders of the veil.
Kind Regards TommyP
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Post by Digi on May 28, 2022 22:29:01 GMT
Finally listened to this. Interesting set of stories. A little uneven maybe, but interesting just the same. As someone who was beyond tired of Abby's endless PETERing in the rest of this series, I actually laughed out loud that he was written out without actually appearing. I'm sure that wasn't the desired effect, but I was just so pleased that my least favourite aspect of the first 9 boxsets was immediately thrown out the window.
Otherwise, the first story was solid. The betrayal angle was a little obvious, but there was so much worldbuilding happening in this story that that's just a minor thing. And boy, this new setting, years and years later. I did not see that coming, and I couldn't be more pleased about it.
Which naturally continued on in the second story in a bit of politicking which felt maybe a hair out of place in this series, but I've become so invested in the characters that I'm quite happy to see where it went and where it's going. I can't wait, for instance, to see where the story with Celia goes. And that ending....woooow. Survivors isn't the happiest of series, but what a (fantastic) gutpunch of an ending that was. I actually had to take a break afterward.
Final story....decent, but kind of felt like a bit of a retread of the first story in this set. It's hard enough for a series to do the 'good guy until OOP he betrayed me' more than once in an entire series's run, but to do it in the same 3-part boxset made it impossible to ignore and impossible not to get a bit bored by.
That may have come across as a lot of complaining, but I am quite happy with the boxset overall. It's not a 10/10 release, but it's very solid nonetheless and I'm happy to have Survivors back.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 19, 2022 7:51:56 GMT
Over the last couple of months I’ve been watching/listening to all of Survivors in order. One thing tho what happened to baby Paul?! He seems to just disappear and then it will get brought up that Jenny is a mother and then that it again… I find it odd that with the new Time setting for New Dawn they didn’t have him as one of the gang leaders of the veil. Kind Regards TommyP Excellent point and one I was about to make. When Abby and Jenny meet again after many years in ep 1 Jenny (naturally) ask Aybby about Peter, . . . . yet Abby fails to mention Paul at all. Then when we get to episode 2, the whole plot of which concerns the next generation, Paul is not mentioned at all. I can't think of any in-universe explantion of why this should be. Even if Paul had died at some point and Jenny was too grief stricken to even mention him, this might explain episode 2, but Abby would not have known this in episode 1 since she is so out of touch Real world explanations could be either sloppy writing / script-editing or possibly a rights issue with ther character? Paul was name checked in other BF boxsets, so I don't know if rights would be the problem. I know very little about how these things work, but IIRC Jenny's preganacy was announced in the Nation scripted A Beginning, but Paul was born and named in Ronder scripted episodes. So maybe a reference to "my son" by Jenny would fall within BF's license from the Nation Estate but a reference to or appearance by Paul would not? (Anyone with more knowledge, please feel free to contradict/correct me as I would like to know)
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 19, 2022 8:49:50 GMT
Lisetened to New Dawn 1 yesterday.
Overall, it was good, but could have bee better.
The non-mention of Paul has been discussed in my post above and that strikes me as a major conituity cock-up on BF's part and did take away from my enjoyment of the set.
Ep 1 - a very good, dramatic, exiting episode. I worked out what was going on long before Abby and perhaps Abby was a bit thick not to have worked it out sooner. The female led government did make me smirk as I thought of the 2 Ronnies Worm that Turned. The whole women good / men bad / strong female characters / Tenko mark 2 etc etc has been commented on previously by me and others, so no point in rehashing it all here, but suffice it to say the same points still apply.
I expected Zack to be in the remaining episodes as an ally of Jenny, but it didn't happen. There doesn't seem to be a place for heroic male charcaters in Survivors anymore
Interesting, but irrelevant, point. If the King was 12th in line to the throne pre-Death, and assuming the Death took pleace in 1975 when season 1 was first broadcast, then I think the King must be Lord Nicholas Windsor, 2nd son of the Duke of Kent.
Ep 2 - an interesting episode with quite a bit to say but I don't think it went quite far enough in terms of its exploration of the issues it raises. Minimum ages to stand for election are not that unusual in the democratice world today - e.g the US Congress - so I don't see it as evidence of a fscist state. It was bit unclear in the script if the age limit applied to voting as well as standing, or just standing. At the start it seemed like voting, but some dialogue at the end seemed to suggest it was just standing.
The discussion of sexuality did not go far enough - I think the need to repopulate needed to be brought into the discussion of LGBT rights in the post death world and there needed to be some sort of debate/conflict amongst the main characters. Instead what we got was an echo chamber where all the characters agreed that the gay characters' parents homophobia was a bad thing. I'm not saying it was a good thing or condoning it, but the episode kind of just stated the obvious and left it at that. By limiting the other side of the argument to mindless homophobia the episode basically set up a straw man that could be easily knocked down. I would have preferrred BF to take advantage of the unique context of Survivors to ask difficult questions about how society reconciles individual liberty and freedom of sexuality with the overriding need to repopulate. They did however avoid the cliche of the religious zealot who blamed the death on 1960s permissiveness, so it wasn't all bad
THe episode was a good exploration of the tensions that inevitably arise between the moderate and the militant elements in any movement for change, and in the end the episde came down on the side of the moderates.
As for Jackie, was it just me or did her characterisation remind anyone else of Ann Reynolds? Almost as if BF writers in both series are just writing for Louise Jameson herself.
Episode 3 was a return to form and very traditional Survivors fare. This could have been an episode that occurred at any point in the series' timeline (that's not a bad thing) and it was a high point to go out on
FInally, the cover. There doesn't seem tohave been much logical thought put into these. THey are nice pictures, well made, but why are the characters no older that they were 20 years previously? COuld the cover artist not have used pictures of Carolyn Seymour and Lucy Richards from the 1990s? Jackie does not apear to have aged either, but then using 2015 pictures of Louise on the series 2 boxest (when Jackie was supposed to be the mother of 2 young children) was a bit of a goof at tthe time - they should have used 1970s pictures of Louise for the series 2 boxset. At least Jackie looks about the right age on the New Dawn cover.
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