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Post by lidar2 on Jul 14, 2021 13:49:51 GMT
Anyone have any thoughts on a Mark Seven timeline?
Is it even possible to fit together the 1970s Dalek Annuals, the Destroyers (lost story) and Dalek Universe? I wouldn't know where to begin! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 8:23:12 GMT
Let's give it a shot! We can more or less discount the first two stories from the 1966 Dalek Outer Space Book as they're more factoids about the Space Security Service, than full-length stories (one is literally a series of dossiers). The earliest story looks to be The Destroyers, which takes place prior to The Daleks' Master Plan as Sara Kingdom makes an appearance and the Daleks are making preparations to invade. Then we have everything with Mavik Chen and the Time Destructor. After that, the stories with Anya -- which include The Dalek Protocol and Dalek Universe -- still under the auspices of the SSS.
The 70s annuals are where it gets tricky. The Anti-Dalek Force isn't quite so well-defined as the Space Security Service, so it's unclear whether they're a successor to or off-shoot of the organisation. Mark is on his own by that point without any familiar faces we recognise, so it could be a case of Occam's Razor. Taking some facts with a pinch of salt, it is mentioned that the SSS was formed to combat the "outlaw planet" of Skaro and the Daleks. Assuming that Mark Seven survives the events of Dalek Universe, his timeline could look something like this...
The Outlaw Planet
Top Secret
The Destroyers
## The Daleks' Master Plan
Queen of the Mechonoids
The Dalek Protocol
Dalek Universe
Terror Taskforce
Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!
Planet of Serpents
Flood!!!
The Doomsday Machine
The Solution
Island of Horror
If he doesn't then, everything from Terror Taskforce down will probably go somewhere earlier in his timeline.
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 15, 2021 8:40:01 GMT
this maybe belongs in the Sara's timeline thread, but I was wondering if the Sara in The Destroyers was the same Sara as travelled with the Dr, or a different family member with the same name. Based on what we learnt in the House of Kingdom, the Sara who travelled with the 1st Dr does not appear to have had a brother called David.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 9:16:54 GMT
this maybe belongs in the Sara's timeline thread, but I was wondering if the Sara in The Destroyers was the same Sara as travelled with the Dr, or a different family member with the same name. Based on what we learnt in the House of Kingdom, the Sara who travelled with the 1st Dr does not appear to have had a brother called David. Yep, it's our Sara. David Kingdom is a bit tricky, as he features in The Destroyers, but ends up a prisoner of the Daleks by the end of the story. Their spacecraft takes off with him onboard. For all intents and purposes, that's the last that we see of him, but he is mentioned in one of Sara's Companion Chronicle stories (as Mark Seven made a report on the incident that Chen examined "many years" later). It's not clear whether or not she ever found him again. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 15, 2021 11:07:26 GMT
A recent Dalek reference book placed the ADF as a precursor to the SSS strangely.
The SSS continuity in those annual definitely don’t line up with BF as they make Sara one of the founding members of the SSS, joining at the age of 21 and establish that her father was dead at the time.
On the other hand BF establishes that she joined the SSS at the age of 7 and clearly wasn’t a founding member. And of course Merrill Kingdom outlives her.
Dalek Universe is pretty sure that Mark joined the SSS before anything else, which would contradict the idea from the reference book that ADF came first. As the leader of the ADF was seconded from the army to lead the group I suppose it’s possible that Mark was seconded from the SSS and eventually had to return to his duties with the SSS when the ADF took off and had more personnel and resources.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 8:18:07 GMT
A recent Dalek reference book placed the ADF as a precursor to the SSS strangely. The SSS continuity in those annual definitely don’t line up with BF as they make Sara one of the founding members of the SSS, joining at the age of 21 and establish that her father was dead at the time. On the other hand BF establishes that she joined the SSS at the age of 7 and clearly wasn’t a founding member. And of course Merrill Kingdom outlives her. Dalek Universe is pretty sure that Mark joined the SSS before anything else, which would contradict the idea from the reference book that ADF came first. As the leader of the ADF was seconded from the army to lead the group I suppose it’s possible that Mark was seconded from the SSS and eventually had to return to his duties with the SSS when the ADF took off and had more personnel and resources. Yeah, I'd take the 60s Dalek annuals as largely, but not exclusively accurate. Some of the facts are cool, interesting and still quite relevant, others have been well and truly superceded by other media (like "rels" being the Dalek equivalent of seconds, rather than a measure of hydro-power). The ADF are a bit of an odd curio as there's so little about them, they could pretty much fit anywhere. They feel much more like CI5 or a taskforce from an Alistair MacLean novel. I could see Mark being loaned to the ADF as part of a combined operations program. A goodwill gesture from the Service to show no one's really stepping on anyone else's toes, jurisdiction-wise. That's a thought, actually... Maybe the ADF are for rim world investigations, while the SSS work more closely in established space? |
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Post by thelonecenturion on Jul 16, 2021 8:31:25 GMT
A recent Dalek reference book placed the ADF as a precursor to the SSS strangely. The SSS continuity in those annual definitely don’t line up with BF as they make Sara one of the founding members of the SSS, joining at the age of 21 and establish that her father was dead at the time. On the other hand BF establishes that she joined the SSS at the age of 7 and clearly wasn’t a founding member. And of course Merrill Kingdom outlives her. Dalek Universe is pretty sure that Mark joined the SSS before anything else, which would contradict the idea from the reference book that ADF came first. As the leader of the ADF was seconded from the army to lead the group I suppose it’s possible that Mark was seconded from the SSS and eventually had to return to his duties with the SSS when the ADF took off and had more personnel and resources. Yeah, I'd take the 60s Dalek annuals as largely, but not exclusively accurate. Some of the facts are cool, interesting and still quite relevant, others have been well and truly superceded by other media (like "rels" being the Dalek equivalent of seconds, rather than a measure of hydro-power). The ADF are a bit of an odd curio as there's so little about them, they could pretty much fit anywhere. They feel much more like CI5 or a taskforce from an Alistair MacLean novel. I could see Mark being loaned to the ADF as part of a combined operations program. A goodwill gesture from the Service to show no one's really stepping on anyone else's toes, jurisdiction-wise. That's a thought, actually... Maybe the ADF are for rim world investigations, while the SSS work more closely in established space? Well, given what we learn in Cycle of Destruction, {Spoiler}
Mark could have joined the ADF at any point and had his memory wiped afterwards |
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