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Post by Digi on Jul 23, 2021 14:04:25 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jul 23, 2021 14:13:42 GMT
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 23, 2021 14:43:45 GMT
I'm really glad Survivors is getting a new lease of life at BF after it appeared to have finished in 2019.
I would really love an audiobook written and read by Greg Preston himself, Ian McCullough, as he wrote some of the best TV episodes
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Post by grinch on Jul 23, 2021 15:13:51 GMT
Blimey. Two full cast audios and an audiobook? I’ve joked about this before but I really do think they planned to release this last year but for obvious reasons have had to keep it in the backlog.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 16:27:13 GMT
Sounds good to me. Hopefully it will dovetail nicely with the Audiobook reading of Terry Nations novel. I listened to that just a few months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, fitting in and expanding upon series 1 of the televised show as it did. It also allows for more of Greg Preston irrespective of the availability of Ian McCulloch. I would be intrigued as to whether they may include (reintroduce) Denis Lill's character of Charles Vaughan at some stage. He appeared only in episode 4 of Series 1 but became a joint lead from the beginning of Series 2 through to the conclusion of Series 3. His character was notably toned down from his appearance in Episode 1.4, so there is perhaps some character development to be filled in upon: (from wikipedia) "Corn Dolly" by Pennant Roberts 7 May 1975 Abby, Jenny and Greg are driving towards Abby's home town of Brimpsfield, looking for her son. At a petrol station they find posters for a nearby settlement. They run across settlement members, Charles and Loraine, who themselves have just found a young boy, Mick. Greg, Abby, and Jenny decide to accompany them to Maredell before deciding whether to join forces. On arrival, they discover that many in the settlement have become mortally ill from poisoned fish. They soon learn that Charles is obsessed with repopulating the earth and is trying to impregnate as many women as possible to achieve this goal. His intentions now turn to Abby, who is horrified. The trio leaves the following day. |
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 23, 2021 20:37:04 GMT
Sounds good to me. Hopefully it will dovetail nicely with the Audiobook reading of Terry Nations novel. I listened to that just a few months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, fitting in and expanding upon series 1 of the televised show as it did. It also allows for more of Greg Preston irrespective of the availability of Ian McCulloch. I would be intrigued as to whether they may include (reintroduce) Denis Lill's character of Charles Vaughan at some stage. He appeared only in episode 4 of Series 1 but became a joint lead from the beginning of Series 2 through to the conclusion of Series 3. His character was notably toned down from his appearance in Episode 1.4, so there is perhaps some character development to be filled in upon: (from wikipedia) "Corn Dolly" by Pennant Roberts 7 May 1975 Abby, Jenny and Greg are driving towards Abby's home town of Brimpsfield, looking for her son. At a petrol station they find posters for a nearby settlement. They run across settlement members, Charles and Loraine, who themselves have just found a young boy, Mick. Greg, Abby, and Jenny decide to accompany them to Maredell before deciding whether to join forces. On arrival, they discover that many in the settlement have become mortally ill from poisoned fish. They soon learn that Charles is obsessed with repopulating the earth and is trying to impregnate as many women as possible to achieve this goal. His intentions now turn to Abby, who is horrified. The trio leaves the following day.I would love Charles to turn up but I assume the rights to the character belong to Jack Ronder's estate rather than Terry Nation's and that is why we he has never appeared in a BF production. |
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Post by constonks on Jul 24, 2021 4:20:41 GMT
The writer of this piece rather curiously has a name that's an anagram of Alan Smithee...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 7:48:10 GMT
Sounds good to me. Hopefully it will dovetail nicely with the Audiobook reading of Terry Nations novel. I listened to that just a few months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, fitting in and expanding upon series 1 of the televised show as it did. It also allows for more of Greg Preston irrespective of the availability of Ian McCulloch. I would be intrigued as to whether they may include (reintroduce) Denis Lill's character of Charles Vaughan at some stage. He appeared only in episode 4 of Series 1 but became a joint lead from the beginning of Series 2 through to the conclusion of Series 3. His character was notably toned down from his appearance in Episode 1.4, so there is perhaps some character development to be filled in upon: (from wikipedia) "Corn Dolly" by Pennant Roberts 7 May 1975 Abby, Jenny and Greg are driving towards Abby's home town of Brimpsfield, looking for her son. At a petrol station they find posters for a nearby settlement. They run across settlement members, Charles and Loraine, who themselves have just found a young boy, Mick. Greg, Abby, and Jenny decide to accompany them to Maredell before deciding whether to join forces. On arrival, they discover that many in the settlement have become mortally ill from poisoned fish. They soon learn that Charles is obsessed with repopulating the earth and is trying to impregnate as many women as possible to achieve this goal. His intentions now turn to Abby, who is horrified. The trio leaves the following day.I would love Charles to turn up but I assume the rights to the character belong to Jack Ronder's estate rather than Terry Nation's and that is why we he has never appeared in a BF production. That made a lot of sense regarding the Audio Series being stuck in early Series 1 territory when I looked into it following your reply. Firstly, I had not appreciated so much the shift to other writers, with Jack Ronder being notably prolific. I also read that the 2008 version claimed to be 'based on the novel by Terry Nation' (which also cut out elements of S1 scripted/created by others) as the rights to the 1970's series are a separate entity. Hence why that loose reimagining also limited itself to the trio of Jenny, Abby & Greg as pre-existing characters. As the BF drama series followed their release of Carolyn Seymour's reading of Terry Nations novel, I see now that BF has a similar rights situation and set of restrictions and why so much of the TV series narrative progression is probably off limits. |
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 24, 2021 11:41:25 GMT
I would love Charles to turn up but I assume the rights to the character belong to Jack Ronder's estate rather than Terry Nation's and that is why we he has never appeared in a BF production. That made a lot of sense regarding the Audio Series being stuck in early Series 1 territory when I looked into it following your reply. Firstly, I had not appreciated so much the shift to other writers, with Jack Ronder being notably prolific. I also read that the 2008 version claimed to be 'based on the novel by Terry Nation' (which also cut out elements of S1 scripted/created by others) as the rights to the 1970's series are a separate entity. Hence why that loose reimagining also limited itself to the trio of Jenny, Abby & Greg as pre-existing characters. As the BF drama series followed their release of Carolyn Seymour's reading of Terry Nations novel, I see now that BF has a similar rights situation and set of restrictions and why so much of the TV series narrative progression is probably off limits. Ronder became the lead writer after Nation but he seems to have left midway through season 2, with Martin Worth stepping into the role for the remainder of the TV series run. Ronder's daughter did not return for series 3 as Lizzie, so perhaps there was a falling out (Terence Dudley doesn't have a good track record for getting on with writers on Survivors and Doomwatch). It would be interesting to know BF's position on Ronder-created characters. Are BF happy to do without them and don't feel any tneed to go after the rights? Have they tried and failed to obtain them? Does Survivors not generate enough revenue to make paying for the rights viable? Or is it just that Denis Lill is unwilling to reprise the role and they don't want to recast? There are other Nation created characters they could use but haven't - Tom Price, Anne Tranter, Vic Thatcher - and Jimmy Garland who they have used but nowhere near enough IMHO. It will also be interesting to see to what extent, if at all, Ronder characters like Paul, Arthur, Charmain, John and Lizzie, etc. appear in the new audiobook as they should be present at the Grange at that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 14:26:14 GMT
That made a lot of sense regarding the Audio Series being stuck in early Series 1 territory when I looked into it following your reply. Firstly, I had not appreciated so much the shift to other writers, with Jack Ronder being notably prolific. I also read that the 2008 version claimed to be 'based on the novel by Terry Nation' (which also cut out elements of S1 scripted/created by others) as the rights to the 1970's series are a separate entity. Hence why that loose reimagining also limited itself to the trio of Jenny, Abby & Greg as pre-existing characters. As the BF drama series followed their release of Carolyn Seymour's reading of Terry Nations novel, I see now that BF has a similar rights situation and set of restrictions and why so much of the TV series narrative progression is probably off limits. Ronder became the lead writer after Nation but he seems to have left midway through season 2, with Martin Worth stepping into the role for the remainder of the TV series run. Ronder's daughter did not return for series 3 as Lizzie, so perhaps there was a falling out (Terence Dudley doesn't have a good track record for getting on with writers on Survivors and Doomwatch). It would be interesting to know BF's position on Ronder-created characters. Are BF happy to do without them and don't feel any tneed to go after the rights? Have they tried and failed to obtain them? Does Survivors not generate enough revenue to make paying for the rights viable? Or is it just that Denis Lill is unwilling to reprise the role and they don't want to recast? There are other Nation created characters they could use but haven't - Tom Price, Anne Tranter, Vic Thatcher - and Jimmy Garland who they have used but nowhere near enough IMHO. It will also be interesting to see to what extent, if at all, Ronder characters like Paul, Arthur, Charmain, John and Lizzie, etc. appear in the new audiobook as they should be present at the Grange at that time. Interesting to learn a bit more and consider these matters. I myself was thinking that the new audio full casts may pick up from after Series 3 (New Dawn)but again, one would like to see some of the latter characters returned who are still with us. Celia Gregory, for example, sadly died young aged 58 about 13 years ago and was a core element of Series 2. I see that Richard Heffer (Interviewed), who returned in the BF Audio series was confined to Terry Nation scripted episodes. On the matter of Dennis Lill. I leaned yesterday when researching, that the individual box set DVDs had extras such as a gallery of his personal photo album from filming, which were not included on the 2 Entertain complete set that I own. Perhaps its a case of needs and wants for BF at present. They maybe see plenty of gaps within the period covered by the rights awarded Terry Nations estate without the need or issues such as they have with Blakes 7 series 4, to negotiate beyond that. And there is the fact that series 2-3 continuity excludes Carolyn Seymour as Abby from meeting the others again and she is one of their mainstays of their range, though it is indicated they were headed for reunion as the series closed. Thankfully she never got that all to brief 'reunion' with her son as portrayed in the novel..... |
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Post by Trace on Jul 26, 2021 23:50:17 GMT
Well, that's pre-ordered, along with the two New Dawn boxsets and the Convo with Carolyn Seymour download. I love that Survivors is getting all kinds of love again! I may need a rewatch and re-listen refresher course!
And, I threw the new Cicero in there for good measure. I rather liked the others! The two main leads are wonderful.
So, now I've spent my Big Finish allotment for a month--and the only thing that would make me shell out more would be new Dark Shadows or Dorian Gray!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 15, 2021 14:59:47 GMT
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Post by cjr on Nov 25, 2021 9:13:46 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 25, 2021 10:57:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 9:51:47 GMT
Will make a start on it at the weekend
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 4, 2021 18:43:10 GMT
Listened to it thus week. Very good indeed.
If it was a physical book I would say it was a page turner
The non-Nation characters at the Grange are referenced bht not named and that, whilst understandable, is the only element that didn't quite work for ne
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Dec 4, 2021 19:19:07 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyed this. It was a bit predictable for the most part but worked in spite of it, and I wonder if it was intended a well. Part of me, as a listener, wanted the outcomes to be so much different, but this isn't a 'sleep easy' world, and there are no easy outcomes. Seymour read the story wonderfully and even seemed to have an emotional attachment to it in places. If this is the future to the Survivors range I will continue to listen.
As an aside I didn't really know all the rights issues until reading about them on here. To say this is set during series one I would say the audiobook reflects things that have been said above.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Jan 9, 2022 13:05:26 GMT
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Post by Digi on May 26, 2022 18:08:50 GMT
Finally listened to this yesterday and today. It was...alright, I guess. Peaked during the 'Negan scene' in the cottage around halfway through (which was, genuinely, gripping), but otherwise I kind of struggled to keep paying attention. Carolyn Seymour's reading was quite good, even with her strange way of pronouncing 'forehead.'
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