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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 23:29:52 GMT
Realised, rather obviously that taking seasons and eps out of it, by the time Jodie leaves at the end of next year, she'll have been the incumbent Doctor for longer than Smith and Capaldi by a year and just about the same time as Tennant. It REALLY doesn't feel that way. By this point in their runs things felt...settled. Or established. While you and I have very different takes on this era, I do agree with this point:Timeless Children and Revolution don't read like we're entering 13's endgame, or even that we're at the midpoint of her story. To go from that to 9 episodes to resolve the TC mystery and the Doctor's journey and transformation within that, as well as handling Yaz and Dan potential stories - it's going to possibly be too much (I suspect S13 looked different pre-covid). Will a new race of Time Lords be established? Will Rassilon, Omega or Tecteun be the big bad and how does this change the Doctor? Will there be any attempt to ask questions about where the Doctor came from, albeit in a nebulous way? And that's IF that's what S13 and the specials are going to do: Chibbs might go in another direction altogether and say that re-establishing the mystery was all that was meant to be. Jodie did say when promoting S12 that things were not going to be answered then in full, that some things were intentionally left to span her era. We can safely assume now that's the Timeless Child arc, or something connected. I am a BIG defender of that ep. "Putting the Who? back in Who" was my catchphrase last year when it aired. I like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Chris has to condense or abandon some things. I know Sacha has spoken about his Crohn's disease meaning he was in a much higher risk group and couldn't film even under "safe" conditions as early as other actors so his involvement if it were meant for S13 may be kept for the specials. Ironically given my general dislike of his (non)character work with Jodie and the cast, I think Chibnall is the man for the task above - RTD credited him for being the sole reason early Torchwood (for all it's flaws) even made it to screen as Chris can turn an unworkable mess into a shooting script like nobody's business. That was in The Writer's Tale where RTD had no real reason to big Chibnall up, so I'm inclined to take his word for it. I always choose to be optimistic. There was much I loved about S12.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 23:45:01 GMT
As well as Gemma Whelan, I was thinking about Diane Morgan. She'd have a more alien approach, I think. She's best known as Philomena Cunk but was great in Motherland and Afterlife. Plus she's done a BF - playing Sacha Dhawan's better half no less in the Davison/Weeping Angels ep of CLassic Docs, New Monsters 1 Another left-fielder - Alice Lowe. She's done under-cult with Garth Marenghi's Dark Place. Sensational dark comedy with Sightseers (where she gives one of he subtlest comedy performances I've seen in the last decade), she wrote, directed and starred in Prevenge where her character, a pregnant mother starts getting messages from her unborn baby making her want to kill. A fantastically Cronenberg meets Ken Loach little film. She got some viral fame as the doctor (!) in Black Mirror's interactive Bandersnatch. So yeah, think my list of reasonably realistic options is starting to form: Gemma Whelan Diane Morgan Alice Lowe. Lashana Lynch just probably lost her gig on Buletproof thanks to Noel Clarke but given shes following up her gig in Captain Marvel with a major role in No Time To Die, she may now be just too big, or at least fancy her chances Stateside, in film. Ditto Michaela Coel. She'd be my number one but now that I May Destroy You got good numbers for HBO, getting her on the US talk show circuit, I think she too is now out of reach. Damn shame as she did audition for the part when Jodie got it. Have a feeling that'll be a massive "What if?" for fandom in decades to come as she's gonna be a big deal as an actor and creative.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 29, 2021 23:52:28 GMT
If they ever sort out the rights, Lowe could play a good Rani - she plays demented but sincere well, look at Sightseers.
Also, now that I'm mulling - I'd be down for an Irish Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 0:52:16 GMT
I'm honestly just happy the production office is getting to do a series. Everything was so fraught for a while. I remember being in the middle of 2020 and everyone concerned that was going to be the status quo going forward. I don't think the Thirteenth Doctor really needed a hiatus. I'm sad that her run in DWM still hasn't recovered from the pressures of COVID, I'd been rather enjoying it, and it sucks that the actors didn't get just a little bit more time to flesh it all out. Oh, well, it's not over until the regeneration kicks in. We shall see what happens...
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Post by agentten on Jul 30, 2021 1:08:07 GMT
There's probably nothing to it, but I keep thinking about that recent rumor that RTD was being tempted back to Who by the BBC. If they know Chibs is on his way out and need someone to handle the 60th they may not want to give it to just any bloke with some writing credits so who better than the guy whose era is arguably the biggest Who has ever been. That's an announcement that would certainly get people talking. I wouldn't put high odds on it happening, but it is interesting to view that rumor in the context of today's announcement.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 30, 2021 1:20:24 GMT
Would be great if they cast Matt Berry as The Doctor he is perfect for the role
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Post by Whovitt on Jul 30, 2021 1:39:07 GMT
I'd managed to convince myself that Jodie was going to be the first New Series Doctor to break the 3-series rule, so I was really disappointed to wake up to this news Though I made no secret that I was unhappy with the casting of a female Doctor at the time, Jodie has gone on to completely win me over. I think she's been great in the role, and I'm sad that we're losing her so soon (it feels like no more than two years since she was first announced, not four!). It will be interesting to see how the new production team decide to begin their era in the 60th anniversary year. Someone else mentioned it upthread (I can't remember who - this is a huge thread already), but this is going to be one hell of a baptism of fire for them! Best of luck to whoever's prepared to take this on.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 30, 2021 4:49:51 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily assume we're getting any sort of 60th special. A year on from a series of specials with a brand new production team and brand new Doctor doesn't feel like an ideal time to be trying to organize a multi-Doctor extravaganza. More like we just get a few nods in the series itself and some fun EU stuff.
Well, I'm not totally surprised by Whittaker leaving. Three series plus specials seems to be the standard for New Series Doctors now, despite the episode counts creeping lower every series. I'll definitely miss her. She's great in the part and she seems like a very nice person.
Chibnall leaving is a bit more of a surprise. The press release makes it sound like the BBC may already have someone lined up? I wonder if we're getting a writer who's worked on the show before (McTighe seems likely and qualified) or an "outsider," which would be the first in a long time. (Especially if you count RTD doing Damaged Goods for the VNAs.)
I see the usual speculation involving people far too famous to do Doctor Who has begun... and a few papers have decided that if it wasn't Kris Marshall last time, this time he's a sure bet. As usual, the speculation will probably be nonsense until a week or so before the new Doctor is announced. There's a lot of talented actors out there to choose from and I trust the production team to make a good choice. I don't think there's been a miscast Doctor yet.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 30, 2021 4:52:13 GMT
I’ve really enjoyed Jodie and Chris’ run. It wasn’t perfect but there was a lot less of what annoyed me than in RTD or Moffat’s runs (and the Moff is about my favourite TV writer of all time). I don’t have any suggestions for a future Doctor but I’d like to see Chris Boucher back writing for television, since we’re sharing pipe dreams.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 30, 2021 5:00:14 GMT
So basically, anyone that's discussed in the news won't be in the running..
Male/Female who ever is best suited for the role and has the full gamut of acting chops to blow us all away, I say go for it.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 30, 2021 5:30:51 GMT
they have tried but like poor 6th doctor afraid no one will pick 13th as their favorite tv version I don't think that's true. She is one of my favourites & the new fanbase created since she was announced love her.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 30, 2021 6:41:47 GMT
i for one am happy they going, always felt wrong in the job and never really feel like they settled in ... they have tried but like poor 6th doctor afraid no one will pick 13th as their favorite tv version i really hope we get a fun but not as silly take on the doctor next, kinda got my hopes on the future incarnation from series 2 gets it........ their tenure could have been worse but could have been so much better, they got a few episodes left to find their stride We're very much on the same page Pup - and you know things are weird when that happens! I would add though, Jodie will be a favourite of many. Every Doctor is someone's fave. It's a bit sad to me though that the moments I've been proudest of her in the role are in vids like her one for scared kids when the pandemic broke out, or the one just last week for someone with a serious illness. She's a wonderful ambassador. I just wish she'd had - and I don't want to pile on the man - a different head writer plotting her direction. Chibnall of Broadchurch was a master of watercooler TV. Hopefully the more longform story of S13 gets to show him doing that. We ALL want good Doctor Who, after all. None of us want it to be bad - or worse....mediocre. Hope you're well, my friend! Bloody hell.....almost agree.......is that hell having a climate change moment....... I like Jodie, but never became “the doctor” for me, more down the material than her, but didn’t help having Bradley flipping Walsh in the tardis......god I hated that man before and even more now....... you stay well my friend....... I'm not well but ok, but gonna try n stick around a bit longer with the help of all me pills
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 6:51:05 GMT
I am surprised no one has suggested Kris Marshall for the role yet on here. *ducks*
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Post by muckypup on Jul 30, 2021 6:51:29 GMT
they have tried but like poor 6th doctor afraid no one will pick 13th as their favorite tv version I don't think that's true. She is one of my favourites & the new fanbase created since she was announced love her. I’m glad she is........ im sure she does have her fans, but meaning more her tv episodes up to now haven’t really been Stella but might be like 12th doc and redemption comes in final season....... She’s been better than I thought, but not had the material to shine......then there’s Bradley flipping Walsh spoiling everything too.....grrrrrrrr
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 30, 2021 7:55:39 GMT
I don't think that's true. She is one of my favourites & the new fanbase created since she was announced love her. I’m glad she is........ im sure she does have her fans, but meaning more her tv episodes up to now haven’t really been Stella but might be like 12th doc and redemption comes in final season....... She’s been better than I thought, but not had the material to shine......then there’s Bradley flipping Walsh spoiling everything too.....grrrrrrrr I guess of course it is different for me. This era & stories have been infinitely better for me than the previous doctor. Tbh I can't really remember much if his stuff, probably because I have only watched it once. It will be interesting to see what happens with her final season especially given the change in format, maybe it will appeal to those who haven't enjoyed things so far.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 30, 2021 8:00:41 GMT
I think McTighe is a clear choice currently for a replacement for Chibnall. Ideally they’re going to want a series out in circa November 2023 (or at least a special with a series launching January 2024) with a new Doctor. My takeaway is the BBC still have a lot of faith in the show and are very proud to have Jodie’s final episode as a celebration of their centenary. I think that’s a good indication for 2023 and beyond. Sorry to quote my own post, but I was thinking last night about the rumours of the past Doctors reprising their roles. Most likely a load of rubbish, but I don’t think that would be an awful gapfill for 2023 in between Doctors and production teams. Not necessarily a string of multi-Doctor adventures, but potentially a scattering of specials throughout 2023. Strip the show back to basics of a standalone adventure - a returning Doctor against a big bad monster and whatever comes with that; old companions, etc. You’ve quite comfortably got McGann, Tennant, Smith & Capaldi who don’t seem out the realms of possibility and would also look the part. You could potentially tempt back the likes of RTD, Moffat, etc. if they’re overseeing a couple of specials. It’s not a Series 14 or anything like that, and indeed it’s not something I’d usually consider or entertain, but it’s simply celebrating the show by utilising a real-life handover of teams. There’s not ever been the opportunity for that. Series 14 could film in 2023 for a 2024 airing, new Doctor, new production team, etc. and gets them off on a good footing with time to prep and no anniversary looming.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 30, 2021 8:10:54 GMT
Now all they have to do is
Hire a Strong Head Writer and Head Producer (Job needs to be split between the two people rather than a solo creative and producer) Focus on Telling a story arc and a good narrative Hire a Good Actor for The Role (Michael Sheen would be a good choice) Hire a Good Actress to play The Solo Companion Ignore Everything about Series 11/12 Timeless Children Arc Have a Multi-Doctor story with 1, 8 and 10 for The 60th
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 30, 2021 8:13:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 8:37:48 GMT
Going back to the discussion of writers & showrunners. Would it be unrealistic to go back to the Showrunner being more of a traditional story commissioner/producer like Phillip Hinchcliffe & JNT with other writers with a strong track record for taking care of business on the storytelling and scriptwriting duties?
John Dorney and Jonathan Morris cropped up yesterday and have a solid (prolific, even) record of being able to deliver excellent Doctor Who that pleases us fans without being beholden to their predecessors.
It should not matter one iota whether they have comparable experience writing for TV as that is where a script editor fits in. They should not therefore be under that kind of executive pressure, working purely as a creative force.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 30, 2021 8:40:55 GMT
I think McTighe is a clear choice currently for a replacement for Chibnall. Ideally they’re going to want a series out in circa November 2023 (or at least a special with a series launching January 2024) with a new Doctor. My takeaway is the BBC still have a lot of faith in the show and are very proud to have Jodie’s final episode as a celebration of their centenary. I think that’s a good indication for 2023 and beyond. Sorry to quote my own post, but I was thinking last night about the rumours of the past Doctors reprising their roles. Most likely a load of rubbish, but I don’t think that would be an awful gapfill for 2023 in between Doctors and production teams. Not necessarily a string of multi-Doctor adventures, but potentially a scattering of specials throughout 2023. Strip the show back to basics of a standalone adventure - a returning Doctor against a big bad monster and whatever comes with that; old companions, etc. You’ve quite comfortably got McGann, Tennant, Smith & Capaldi who don’t seem out the realms of possibility and would also look the part. You could potentially tempt back the likes of RTD, Moffat, etc. if they’re overseeing a couple of specials. It’s not a Series 14 or anything like that, and indeed it’s not something I’d usually consider or entertain, but it’s simply celebrating the show by utilising a real-life handover of teams. There’s not ever been the opportunity for that. Series 14 could film in 2023 for a 2024 airing, new Doctor, new production team, etc. and gets them off on a good footing with time to prep and no anniversary looming. Yep. Something different for the anniversary year rather than a single feature length adventure. A series of specials would be fun with maybe it being part of a larger story that comes together in the finale.
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