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Post by coffeeaddict on Aug 5, 2021 17:32:03 GMT
Hard pass - the first set was terrible due to his very poor attempt at Capaldi. I quit on this range due to the use of an impressionist, in all honesty, I would prefer they drop the impression and do something more akin to a straight audiobook read as that at least wouldn't detract from the story as Dudman's impression does.
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 5, 2021 17:33:09 GMT
Are we that desperate for 12’s adventures.....I am certainly not........ . I certainly am! It's a shame Peter doesn't want to come back (at least for the foreseeable *crosses fingers*), he will always bring that special thing to the performance, but that shouldn't stop them from telling stories set during his time on the show. This isn't any difference from, say, the BBC releasing The Nightmare Realm last month, read by Dan Starkey. This one just has other people doing the other voices and no linking narration. Jake isn't even the worst reader we've had doing a Twelfth Doctor story - I quite enjoyed his short trips. I, for one, am really excited for this new era for the Twelfth Doctor.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 5, 2021 18:01:13 GMT
I Still think they should have gone with Christopher Walker Thompson's impression of The Twelfth Doctor as its more spot on then Dudman's 12 Oh god he is amazing. Just have a look at this. This is both hilarious and amazing.
I mean, what better argument could there be?
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 5, 2021 18:12:18 GMT
Are we that desperate for 12’s adventures.....I am certainly not........ . I certainly am! It's a shame Peter doesn't want to come back (at least for the foreseeable *crosses fingers*), he will always bring that special thing to the performance, but that shouldn't stop them from telling stories set during his time on the show. This isn't any difference from, say, the BBC releasing The Nightmare Realm last month, read by Dan Starkey. This one just has other people doing the other voices and no linking narration. Jake isn't even the worst reader we've had doing a Twelfth Doctor story - I quite enjoyed his short trips. I, for one, am really excited for this new era for the Twelfth Doctor. To play devil's advocate, this is different. They haven’t hired a reader or a narrator. They’ve hired someone to play the Doctor. This debate has been done to death already, but there’s no reason why Big Finish couldn’t do proper Chronicles if they wanted to. They have the variety of the cast and they have the format. For some reason they took a different approach with the post-2005 Doctors in their first volumes. And in their second volumes they’ve become full cast and strayed away further. And this isn’t necessarily a debate about recasting, but rather the quality of the performance.
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Post by stcoop on Aug 5, 2021 18:17:19 GMT
Why would Capaldi (or Matt Smith) work for Big Finish when it's been made clear how easily replaceable they are to them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 18:35:45 GMT
That’s such a shame to hear that. I thought as a Doctor Who fan, as well as a past Doctor, he would understand and appreciate how much the fans would like more of his Doctor - particularly with how good BF are at letting the Doctors excel in audio drama development. I thought he’d do them for us fans, as he has the fan gene! oh well…. I think we're often guilty though of assuming that the actors will do it "for the fans" when the subset of fandom they'd reach with BF is a niche of a niche. It's not a very young audience, not a very diverse one (these are generalities but forum members, Twitter responders, BF Day attendees are all pretty good indicators) - I can see why they wouldn't see it as something as enticing as we would like them to as fans. We've been spoiled by the classic Who lot, where a lot of them were jobbing actors happy for a gig, to be blunt. Guys like Tennant, Smith, Capaldi, Eccleston, Simm, Gomez etc etc are always gonna be doing it as an extra if at all and I wouldn't assume they all feel the need to do so.
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Post by masterdoctor on Aug 5, 2021 18:47:02 GMT
Why would Capaldi (or Matt Smith) work for Big Finish when it's been made clear how easily replaceable they are to them? In fact, why would Christopher Eccleston work for Big Finish when it's been made clear how easily replaceable he is to them? Oh wait...
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Post by project37 on Aug 5, 2021 19:12:27 GMT
Wow, that was certainly...something.
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 5, 2021 19:18:55 GMT
They should have gone with Christopher Tompson who has done work for Big Finish in the 4DA Comic Strips Oh god he is amazing. Just have a look at this. This is both hilarious and amazing. He is impressive - he's certainly got certain things down - but I don't think it's working for me. I'm getting taken out of the narrative too easily, especially when it sounds like he's holding his nose! I think I'll stick with Jake - I've at least managed enough of a suspension of disbelief that I've been able to enjoy his 12th Doctor stories. In fact, why would Christopher Eccleston work for Big Finish when it's been made clear how easily replaceable he is to them? Oh wait... Same for David Tennant.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 5, 2021 19:25:53 GMT
I really, genuinely don't see why everyone's criticising Dudman's Twelve. Sure, it's not spot-on, but I'd say it's at least as good as Treloar's Three. It's technically accurate enough for me certainly, though I will wait to hear a trailer before I pre-order - I'm not sure how well he can act as Twelve rather than just sound like him.
The premise also sounds really good to me, so I'll probably be getting this set - more Twelve is always great.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 5, 2021 19:29:19 GMT
That’s such a shame to hear that. I thought as a Doctor Who fan, as well as a past Doctor, he would understand and appreciate how much the fans would like more of his Doctor - particularly with how good BF are at letting the Doctors excel in audio drama development. I thought he’d do them for us fans, as he has the fan gene! oh well…. I think we're often guilty though of assuming that the actors will do it "for the fans" when the subset of fandom they'd reach with BF is a niche of a niche. It's not a very young audience, not a very diverse one (these are generalities but forum members, Twitter responders, BF Day attendees are all pretty good indicators) - I can see why they wouldn't see it as something as enticing as we would like them to as fans. We've been spoiled by the classic Who lot, where a lot of them were jobbing actors happy for a gig, to be blunt. Guys like Tennant, Smith, Capaldi, Eccleston, Simm, Gomez etc etc are always gonna be doing it as an extra if at all and I wouldn't assume they all feel the need to do so. We’re also guilty of assuming that certain actors are going to do it when they’re self-confessed fans of the show. As you say, Big Finish is a niche within a niche, to be a fan of something could mean a number of different things. Most likely they’re simply a fan of the show, even if their knowledge of it may be quite detailed.
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Post by cwm on Aug 5, 2021 19:30:42 GMT
I think BF going down this route with the Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors is pretty much an admission that they don't expect to work with Smith and Capaldi in the medium-to-long term anyway.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 5, 2021 20:04:06 GMT
I think we're often guilty though of assuming that the actors will do it "for the fans" when the subset of fandom they'd reach with BF is a niche of a niche. It's not a very young audience, not a very diverse one (these are generalities but forum members, Twitter responders, BF Day attendees are all pretty good indicators) - I can see why they wouldn't see it as something as enticing as we would like them to as fans. We've been spoiled by the classic Who lot, where a lot of them were jobbing actors happy for a gig, to be blunt. Guys like Tennant, Smith, Capaldi, Eccleston, Simm, Gomez etc etc are always gonna be doing it as an extra if at all and I wouldn't assume they all feel the need to do so. We’re also guilty of assuming that certain actors are going to do it when they’re self-confessed fans of the show. As you say, Big Finish is a niche within a niche, to be a fan of something could mean a number of different things. Most likely they’re simply a fan of the show, even if their knowledge of it may be quite detailed. Yes. & actors want to do different things. If you'd just left a role why would you want to dive back into that role in another medium.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 5, 2021 20:21:58 GMT
So.. There you go... Case closed, fingers are permanently uncrossed now. A watched pot never boils. If you wish too hard it won't happen.. I personally don't think I will purchase this at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 20:45:08 GMT
I really, genuinely don't see why everyone's criticising Dudman's Twelve. Sure, it's not spot-on, but I'd say it's at least as good as Treloar's Three. It's technically accurate enough for me certainly, though I will wait to hear a trailer before I pre-order - I'm not sure how well he can act as Twelve rather than just sound like him. The premise also sounds really good to me, so I'll probably be getting this set - more Twelve is always great. For what its worth i also don’t rate treloar’s impression either
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Post by muckypup on Aug 6, 2021 8:53:01 GMT
Are we that desperate for 12’s adventures.....I am certainly not........ . I certainly am! It's a shame Peter doesn't want to come back (at least for the foreseeable *crosses fingers*), he will always bring that special thing to the performance, but that shouldn't stop them from telling stories set during his time on the show. This isn't any difference from, say, the BBC releasing The Nightmare Realm last month, read by Dan Starkey. This one just has other people doing the other voices and no linking narration. Jake isn't even the worst reader we've had doing a Twelfth Doctor story - I quite enjoyed his short trips. I, for one, am really excited for this new era for the Twelfth Doctor. Audiobook readings and the earlier style chronicles are fine, but this is full cast with a voice artist who don’t sound like 12....... tell stories by all means but or recast if need be, but Jake doing 12 As full cast drama is the worst of all paths .......do a proper recast with the love and care that the 1st, 3rd, War and Jake as 11 have had........ that’s all any release is good news but my feelings are this is not the best road to take........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 9:07:27 GMT
To the people who compare it to Tim Treolar, I take the point. Yet I think, and this is crucial, Tim is simply a better actor. Jake is 23 so that's no sleight. He'll get more experience. But even when Tim doesn't sound like Jon Pertwee...his acting keeps me in it. Since Jake is really doing an impression, it has to be spot on as his chops as an actor alone aren't enough to keep the illusion going.
I remember Michael Sheen who has played Tony Blair, Chris Tarrant, Brian Clough and others saying that when he played David Frost you come out...you start with the catchphrase "Hello..good evening...and welcome" to break the tension of "can he do it?" and then after that you just ACT and don't worry too much about the voice. You can see that in The Damned United - he doesn't sound exactly like Brian Clough but he ACTS like him so much you go with it. Jake, and we've heard his 12th Doc Chronicles so we're not just basing things on one short trailer, doesn't have that skill (yet). Wheras with Tennant and Smith his impressions are so good that becomes the smokescreen rather than any great acting. Ideally you want a great actor AND who can do the voice. Not easy with a voice as distinctive as Capaldi's. Not easy with Pertwee either. Yet as above, there are many audiobook readings I've enjoyed with atrocious accents (Claire Higgins' Capaldi is a dead ringer for Supergran) but if it's this or no 12th Doc? I'll take this and give Jake the chance. It's not even just the accent, you're asking a young kid to maintain convincingly the voice of a man 40 years his senior. That's an ask anyway.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 6, 2021 9:25:26 GMT
To the people who compare it to Tim Treolar, I take the point. Yet I think, and this is crucial, Tim is simply a better actor. Jake is 23 so that's no sleight. He'll get more experience. But even when Tim doesn't sound like Jon Pertwee...his acting keeps me in it. Since Jake is really doing an impression, it has to be spot on as his chops as an actor alone aren't enough to keep the illusion going. I remember Michael Sheen who has played Tony Blair, Chris Tarrant, Brian Clough and others saying that when he played David Frost you come out...you start with the catchphrase "Hello..good evening...and welcome" to break the tension of "can he do it?" and then after that you just ACT and don't worry too much about the voice. You can see that in The Damned United - he doesn't sound exactly like Brian Clough but he ACTS like him so much you go with it. Jake, and we've heard his 12th Doc Chronicles so we're not just basing things on one short trailer, doesn't have that skill (yet). Wheras with Tennant and Smith his impressions are so good that becomes the smokescreen rather than any great acting. Ideally you want a great actor AND who can do the voice. Not easy with a voice as distinctive as Capaldi's. Not easy with Pertwee either. Yet as above, there are many audiobook readings I've enjoyed with atrocious accents (Claire Higgins' Capaldi is a dead ringer for Supergran) but if it's this or no 12th Doc? I'll take this and give Jake the chance. It's not even just the accent, you're asking a young kid to maintain convincingly the voice of a man 40 years his senior. That's an ask anyway. That's the key, someone that can convey the character & act. But when there's just the voice to go on it is harder & open to more criticism, with Sheen's examples we of course have the visuals to help create the mannerisms.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 6, 2021 9:57:28 GMT
I always enjoy Dan Starkey’s take on twelve. Pity they didn’t use him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 10:48:11 GMT
I think BF going down this route with the Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors is pretty much an admission that they don't expect to work with Smith and Capaldi in the medium-to-long term anyway. Maybe. Although they did do Tenth Doctor Chronicles with Dudman after they had released a Tenth Doctor set with David Tennant. Actors can change their mind at any given time, as we have seen, so who knows what the future holds?
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