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Post by mark687 on Aug 9, 2021 14:10:15 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 14:14:06 GMT
First draft scripts are now renamed lost stories? First drafts are often called first drafts for a reason. Not for me this one & seems a strange thing to do. I'd prefer new original stories with this team.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 9, 2021 14:16:00 GMT
Honestly not sure how i feel about this
Return of The Cybermen was okay so ill give these a shot but i was hoping we can get some original Season 12 Tardis Team Stories
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 9, 2021 14:19:43 GMT
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't "The Ark in Space" the one they previously couldn't get teh rights to?
I'm not sure I quite understand what they're doing with the "Genesis of teh Daleks" script (whcih is presumably the version rejected for being the same old Terry Nationing as earlier Dalek stories). Why does this not require adaptation if the other unused material does?
Anyway, interesting things for the 60th Anniversary year.
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Post by dannybl on Aug 9, 2021 14:23:47 GMT
Does this mean we get Molloy Davros vs Tom?!
Unexpected - but they could do this with practically any story if the scripts still exist!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 14:27:43 GMT
Does this mean we get Molloy Davros vs Tom?! Unexpected - but they could do this with practically any story if the scripts still exist! Yep, makes a complete nonsense of the Lost Stories range. These are not lost stories. |
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Post by cwm on Aug 9, 2021 14:31:27 GMT
Does this mean we get Molloy Davros vs Tom?! Unexpected - but they could do this with practically any story if the scripts still exist! Yep, makes a complete nonsense of the Lost Stories range. These are not lost stories. Lucarotti's Ark is a completely different story to what made it to screen. If The Foe From the Future and Mind of the Hodiac qualify, then it qualifies. Genesis of Terror is, going by the news item, something different to usual - one fully dramatised episode working directly from Nation's script, and a dramatic reading of the storyline. So it sounds worth doing. |
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Post by sherlock on Aug 9, 2021 14:33:39 GMT
I could see a justification for Return of the Cybermen as it’s known Revenge had been heavily rewritten and isn’t exactly well regarded, and it worked as nice way of introducing Miller and Naylor.
These I can’t really see the point of. Ark and Genesis are absolute classics, so what’s the benefit in doing adapting lesser versions of them earlier in the writing process? Honestly I’d rather they did original stuff with this TARDIS team.
Sidenote, as these are slated for 2023 does this count as the first “60th celebration” announcement? Revisiting some well loved stories does feel anniversary-adjacent.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 9, 2021 14:34:03 GMT
makes a complete nonsense of the Lost Stories range. These are not lost stories. I'm not sure *any* of the Lost Stories were lost. None of the Missing Adventures were missing. Not all the New Adventures were new. Granted, it might have been worth BF putting these into a separate Unbound range, but I think the point is that doing something different isn't necessarily a waste of time. And it's not as if anybody HAS to buy them. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 9, 2021 14:41:11 GMT
First draft scripts are now renamed lost stories? First drafts are often called first drafts for a reason. Not for me this one & seems a strange thing to do. I'd prefer new original stories with this team. Also Regards mark687 |
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Post by relativetime on Aug 9, 2021 14:44:46 GMT
I kinda like the concept of alternate versions of stories. While there’s a couple other Fourth Doctor lost stories we know about I’d personally be more excited to hear (I’m holding out for an adaptation for The Krikkitmen myself), it’d also be interesting to see what direction some of the most well-known classics might have gone in in another world.
Also, Return of the Cybermen is looking very lonely on my Season 12 playlist, so it’ll be nice to fill it out a bit.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 14:44:48 GMT
Yep, makes a complete nonsense of the Lost Stories range. These are not lost stories. Lucarotti's Ark is a completely different story to what made it to screen. If The Foe From the Future and Mind of the Hodiac qualify, then it qualifies. Genesis of Terror is, going by the news item, something different to usual - one fully dramatised episode working directly from Nation's script, and a dramatic reading of the storyline. So it sounds worth doing. Were The Foe From the Future & Mind of the Hodiac first drafts? Its that issue which makes these pointless for me, many stories have first drafts which are subsequently revised & of course these are 2 well-regarded stories from Tom Baker's time as the Doctor. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:48:42 GMT
I remember posting ages ago that "First Drafts" and "alternate versions" was the only way to really keep the Lost Stories idea going given how little exists of some idea that never made it past one-sentence high concept pitches. Seens this is very much the way of things now.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 14:50:11 GMT
First draft scripts are now renamed lost stories? First drafts are often called first drafts for a reason. Not for me this one & seems a strange thing to do. I'd prefer new original stories with this team. Also Regards mark687 I would imagine quite a bit of difference & changes given that first drafts are being adapted. They could do this with literally every single Doctor Who story! |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 14:54:04 GMT
I remember posting ages ago that "First Drafts" and "alternate versions" was the only way to really keep the Lost Stories idea going given how little exists of some idea that never made it past one-sentence high concept pitches. Seens this is very much the way of things now. True, but if this is the way forward it begs the question...why does the Lost Stories range have to keep going? |
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 9, 2021 14:58:46 GMT
I would imagine quite a bit of difference & changes given that first drafts are being adapted. They could do this with literally every single Doctor Who story! I think you’re misunderstanding kind of what they’re doing. Genesis is clearly being a let’s celebrate Terry Nation and do something a bit different (giving a storyline instead of an audio) and John Lucarotti’s version of The Ark in Space is one in the same vein as Return was with Revenge, but even less so. The setup is the same but the plot diverges. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 9, 2021 15:01:27 GMT
I remember posting ages ago that "First Drafts" and "alternate versions" was the only way to really keep the Lost Stories idea going given how little exists of some idea that never made it past one-sentence high concept pitches. Seens this is very much the way of things now. True, but if this is the way forward it begs the question...why does the Lost Stories range have to keep going? Because there's still a demand for it (added factor in this instance there are still some customers that don't buy wholly original BF material but will buy if it was originally a pitch for the TV) Regards mark687 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 15:18:43 GMT
I would imagine quite a bit of difference & changes given that first drafts are being adapted. They could do this with literally every single Doctor Who story! I think you’re misunderstanding kind of what they’re doing. Genesis is clearly being a let’s celebrate Terry Nation and do something a bit different (giving a storyline instead of an audio) and John Lucarotti’s version of The Ark in Space is one in the same vein as Return was with Revenge, but even less so. The setup is the same but the plot diverges. I'm not misunderstanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 15:27:12 GMT
This sounds interesting.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 9, 2021 15:52:14 GMT
I'm not convinced by these, if I'm honest.
There is very much a scraping the barrel feel about them for me. I like the Lost Stories and I'd be up for more, but if there aren't any, then best let the concept rest.
As has been said above these are more Unbounds or first drafts than Lost Stories.
Maybe I'm being harsh on the Lucoratti script - I imagine it will be very different to the TV version, probably enough to justify its release. But I really am dubious about the point of the 1st draft Genesis.
The fact than 2 of my favourite BF writers are attached to them (Morris & Guerrier) gives me confidence they will be good and, to be frank, I'm an addict so I will buy them.
I just feel that if BF want to do more Season 12 crew, then they should do original stories. Or if they want to do Lost Stories then they should do some genuinely lost stories that were never produced at all in any form - I can think of 3 that exist and would be available (subject to agreement with the writers) - David Haliwell's Attack of the Mind, Bidmead's version of Trial eps 9-12 and Children of January. What we have announced here just seems to fall between 2 stools.
Also my inner geek dislikes these if they don't have an in universe explanation how they fit with the existing season 12 (as Dorney's draft of Return of the Cybermen did, albeit BF cut it) |
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