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Post by Digi on Aug 20, 2021 21:07:47 GMT
There are times when the narration stopped the flow of the action, and I wondered why it was needed when often dialogue from the characters would have conveyed what was going on. Oh, that's too bad. On the one or two Early Adventures I tried quite a while back, it was exactly this that drove me nuts and put me off the range entirely. I was really hoping it wouldn't be the case, as I quite like what I've read about the premise of this story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 22:18:38 GMT
There are times when the narration stopped the flow of the action, and I wondered why it was needed when often dialogue from the characters would have conveyed what was going on. Oh, that's too bad. On the one or two Early Adventures I tried quite a while back, it was exactly this that drove me nuts and put me off the range entirely. I was really hoping it wouldn't be the case, as I quite like what I've read about the premise of this story. Oh no, I hope I haven't put you off getting something you'd probably enjoy - there is lots that's good about this, even if the narration does slow things down a little - not all the time by any means, and as @stevo says, it comes part and parcel with the format, but there are just moments that I think might have been better without it
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Post by IndieMacUser on Aug 21, 2021 9:42:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 22:25:51 GMT
Bit of an odd one for me. I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, this range was all "Doctor" stories. I've got 'em all but I still have a few to listen to so I could be wrong but I thought The Doctor was an ever present. Wheras this felt more like something that would have been conceptually suited for a Companion Chronicle. I'd also argue the content could be condensed into that format too as there was a lot of things you could cull.
Yet..I liked it. It felt like worldbuilding rather than filler. Susan being a wallflower at first without The Doctor made perfect sense and it was a lovely contrast from the Susan we later see in the 8DAs. I liked the opportunistic villain, that felt quite Nigel Kneale that in a broken society, some want to keep it like that. Very much like Quatermass 1979. The notion of the "real" evil being us, not just some mutants from space...pure Kneale.
Sean Biggerstaff made for a good David. I'm happy BF took the chance to make this as my initial reservations - while still ostensibly valid - were put away by the most important thing - I was interested in the story, the plot and the characters.
I'd still prune a little bit though. And I did find the narration if not obtrusive then occasionally unnecessary. It was always easy to tell whether it was "Susan" or "Narrator" but some things just felt a little spoon fed and I think this far in to the range we can make jumps in the mind's eye without so much "And then...." kinda stuff.
But yes, as a character piece for Susan following The Dalek Invasion - mission accomplished.
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Post by masterdoctor on Aug 23, 2021 18:54:56 GMT
I liked this overall, and it is much stronger than Secrets of Det-Sen, I was a tad underwhelmed. It’s a 1hr episode of Survivors dressed up as a 2hr B+W Doctor Who story. There just isn’t enough for that extra hour, and while everyone tries their best to bring their best efforts, is only partially works.
Really, with Big Finish experimenting with 2 hour releases being two 1 hour stories, if this had been paired with another companion, such as Zoe, post Doctor, I think this could have been something special. But as is, a bit of a missed opportunity.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 26, 2021 9:44:02 GMT
Well, I thought this was rather fab. My take is up at CultBox - not sure I'd want a whole host of What happened next... stories, but certain companions deserve it! Now, who's up for 'The Trials of Turlough' or 'Tegan Takes On'? If it's good enough for the modern companions...
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Post by mark687 on Sept 3, 2021 10:36:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 6:03:02 GMT
I really enjoyed this. How do you rebuild a civilisation? Quite a big question, all things considered. One to ponder. I listened to this a few days ago, but I wanted to let the ideas percolate for a while.
After the Daleks returns to one of Doctor Who’s most heavily explored periods. The Dalek Invasion of Earth casts a long shadow, including The Mutant Phase, Masters of Earth, and the titular six-part story itself. In my mind’s eye, I picture the pre-Invasion Earth with vast metropolises. Webs of concrete and steel that crowded the blue from the sky. It’s a planet with so many technological marvels. The Moonbase that mapped and controlled weather on every continent. The T-Mat transmission system that linked London to Bombay by minutes, instead of days. The Seabases with their sync-op technicians tasked with overcoming the deadlock of their overcrowded space wars. It’s an exciting, terrifying, electrifying period in Earth’s history. A new age. Advancement as we’d never seen before.
And none of it mattered.
The Daleks rolled in and reduced those broad shoulders of milling life to so much rubble. Their control over the planet was absolute. It was only down to the unexpected intervention of a handful of rebel survivors in Bedfordshire that Dalek Central Control was smashed and their occupation was overthrown. Even then, it came at a heavy cost. The human toll and the toll to the landscape with the first volcanic eruption the English countryside would likely seen in millions of years. Three of those travellers departed from the Earth, a fourth left behind as undeniably human as she was alien. With Big Ben tolling in the distance, the young woman known as Susan Foreman stepped out of the stars and into an aching world.
After the Daleks follows what happened next. The post-occupation world itself and its characters within definitely have that Nigel Kneale texture, but I was also reminded of something else. It might have been the linking narration, but I was put to mind of H.G. Wells’s The War of the Worlds. The narrator's wanderings through the Red Weed as familiar hillocks and vales are pulled into unnatural shapes by the fighting machines. The danger here is very much humanity and the impression that the Daleks have left upon them. The blurb may seem misleading after a certain point, but… It’s actually not. It does that wonderful thing that The Evil of the Daleks does. The title has a different meaning coming out of the story than it did going in.
Roland Moore first caught my attention with Memories of a Tyrant and, credit to him, there’s some equally compelling character work on display here. Everyone is well-represented from Susan to the absent Doctor himself1. It’s great to see her rebuild from the ground up and develop into her own person, discovering who she is without her grandfather (and he was doing, likewise, with Ian and Barbara). There’s a great moment at the beginning of the third episode where she captures her grandfather’s fire and indignation. It’s the perfect jumping-off point for her moment of transformation aboard the Dalek ship. After all that's happened to her, that final speech is all Susan.
How do you rebuild a civilisation? Start with the people. And given how much fun this was, I've a question to ask – what do you suppose Susan got up to during the future of Day of the Daleks? I don't think we've ever quite found out. Food for thought. From The Secrets of Det-Sen to After the Daleks to The Eleven... It's been great. Much to recommend.
(1 - There are little details I enjoyed, too, like discovering some more about what occurred to Ian and Barbara after their return to 1965. Both tidbits feel true to their characters and I cracked a smile at both. It takes a lot to rile Barbara. I don’t think that suspension would have bothered her. I can’t help but feel that Susan was a bit charmed by Ian’s assertion back in his own time. Might that have been the paper that got him seconded to NASA, I wonder?)
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Post by elkawho on Sept 10, 2021 14:10:38 GMT
I didn't seem to like it as much as you all. I found the choices the characters made pretty unbelievable. The main villain just seems too convenient a character. I felt like the whole thing was done just a bit on the lazy side. I may just hold BF to higher standards than some other companies, but I expected better. I was really looking forward to it, too. Maybe I need a second listen. Hmm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 17:56:56 GMT
I wasn’t sure what to expect from this at all but wanted to continue with the older eras and it is quite good and i feel stronger tale than DET SEN that i had just finished.basically you could take the aftermath of the Daleks and insert a SURVIVORS script and get the same feel so am glad it’s hopefully just a one off and not a continuing series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 19:09:03 GMT
Finished it-Well am giving it a 5 it ticked my WHO boxes and will be a definite relisten in the future .
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Post by elkawho on Oct 21, 2021 11:08:44 GMT
Finished it-Well am giving it a 5 it ticked my WHO boxes and will be a definite relisten in the future . Glad to have you back!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 11:27:16 GMT
Finished it-Well am giving it a 5 it ticked my WHO boxes and will be a definite relisten in the future . Glad to have you back! Thanks you good to be back and with a backlog too xx
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