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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 8, 2021 13:51:15 GMT
Imagine what it would have been like if we'd have had social media in 1966 after the broadcast of the final episode of The Tenth Planet, #notmydoctor #destroyedcanon etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 13:56:58 GMT
I've kinda put Doctor Who in a similar head space with the Star Trek franchise and post- Loki MCU in regards to what is and isnt canon. It's all canon, because the canon is built on a foundation that includes time-travel and alternate realities. Disparate stoylines can be neatly wedged into separate time streams, all of which 'count' as separate entities. The BBC series may be the Sacred Timeline of the Whoniverse, but that doesnt preclude other Timelines. The most memorable idea in the Abrams' films is in Trek '09. Nero, after travelling back in time to destroy Vulcan as revenge for the destruction of Romulus in the postTNG-era Prime Universe is told that he's being stupid because this is an alternate reality now, and there's no need for revenge. His answer? "Don't tell me it didn't happen - I SAW it happen". That's very much my approach. Throw it all in. If a "non-canon" book is better than a "canon" TV ep, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm just after good stories. Going the other way lies TARDIS Wikia madness with them misunderstanding ONE sentence from David Richardson leading to their insane "Vienna is only canon if The Doctor is with her" rule. I mean I've just listened to a story told by BESSIE. It's BBC direct, not BF so a lot of people here won't check it out. Is it more canon because it comes from the BBC? Is it less canon because of the odd conceit? Or perhaps it doesn't matter either way, eh? Who knows? Who....nose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 13:59:50 GMT
Imagine what it would have been like if we'd have had social media in 1966 after the broadcast of the final episode of The Tenth Planet, #notmydoctor #destroyedcanon etc etc There's a feature on the DVD range called "Tomorrow's Times" where you can read the correspondence sent to the press and BBC throughout the eras. And yes - there were plenty of "Bring back Hartnell!" calls. It's why adding Daleks right away to give Troughton "the rub" was a genius idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 22:42:21 GMT
I've kinda put Doctor Who in a similar head space with the Star Trek franchise and post- Loki MCU in regards to what is and isnt canon. It's all canon, because the canon is built on a foundation that includes time-travel and alternate realities. Disparate stoylines can be neatly wedged into separate time streams, all of which 'count' as separate entities. The BBC series may be the Sacred Timeline of the Whoniverse, but that doesnt preclude other Timelines. The most memorable idea in the Abrams' films is in Trek '09. Nero, after travelling back in time to destroy Vulcan as revenge for the destruction of Romulus in the postTNG-era Prime Universe is told that he's being stupid because this is an alternate reality now, and there's no need for revenge. His answer? "Don't tell me it didn't happen - I SAW it happen".
That's very much my approach. Throw it all in. If a "non-canon" book is better than a "canon" TV ep, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm just after good stories. Going the other way lies TARDIS Wikia madness with them misunderstanding ONE sentence from David Richardson leading to their insane "Vienna is only canon if The Doctor is with her" rule. I mean I've just listened to a story told by BESSIE. It's BBC direct, not BF so a lot of people here won't check it out. Is it more canon because it comes from the BBC? Is it less canon because of the odd conceit? Or perhaps it doesn't matter either way, eh? Who knows? Who....nose. We even have one of those for Doctor Who with Inferno. In the context of the show, the Brigade Leader, Section Leader Elizabeth Shaw, the rest of Project: Inferno in that parallel timeline are all real. The Doctor doesn't treat them as lesser copies, but people in their own right. People who made different choices from the friends and acquaintances he knows, but nevertheless, he still tries to save their lives. When he fails, the destruction of their world puts the Doctor into a coma for most of the next episode. It still haunts him during his time with Jo Grant. Their lives mattered. It wasn't an inconsequential loss to him. It's in the ship's name -- Time and Relative Dimensions in Space. Relative, sure, but just as important to the people living in it. I don't know anyone who would answer the accusation: "You're not real," with anything less than, "Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?" Their lives are real enough to them.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 8, 2021 22:43:39 GMT
Imagine what it would have been like if we'd have had social media in 1966 after the broadcast of the final episode of The Tenth Planet, #notmydoctor #destroyedcanon etc etc There was a letter sent to a newspaper after the second episode of Unearthly Child that complained about it not being as good as the first one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 23:13:49 GMT
The most memorable idea in the Abrams' films is in Trek '09. Nero, after travelling back in time to destroy Vulcan as revenge for the destruction of Romulus in the postTNG-era Prime Universe is told that he's being stupid because this is an alternate reality now, and there's no need for revenge. His answer? "Don't tell me it didn't happen - I SAW it happen".
That's very much my approach. Throw it all in. If a "non-canon" book is better than a "canon" TV ep, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm just after good stories. Going the other way lies TARDIS Wikia madness with them misunderstanding ONE sentence from David Richardson leading to their insane "Vienna is only canon if The Doctor is with her" rule. I mean I've just listened to a story told by BESSIE. It's BBC direct, not BF so a lot of people here won't check it out. Is it more canon because it comes from the BBC? Is it less canon because of the odd conceit? Or perhaps it doesn't matter either way, eh? Who knows? Who....nose. We even have one of those for Doctor Who with Inferno. In the context of the show, the Brigade Leader, Section Leader Elizabeth Shaw, the rest of Project: Inferno in that parallel timeline are all real. The Doctor doesn't treat them as lesser copies, but people in their own right. People who made different choices from the friends and acquaintances he knows, but nevertheless, he still tries to save their lives. When he fails, the destruction of their world puts the Doctor into a coma for most of the next episode. It still haunts him during his time with Jo Grant. Their lives mattered. It wasn't an inconsequential loss to him. It's in the ship's name -- Time and Relative Dimensions in Space. Relative, sure, but just as important to the people living in it. I don't know anyone who would answer the accusation: "You're not real," with anything less than, "Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?" Their lives are real enough to them. We've also got Pete's Earth, of course. And a telling line in Robot Of Sherwood where The Doctor tries to figure out once and for all if this is ACTUALLY Robin Hood (maybe half-thinking he's in The Land Of Fiction). Robin's response to him? "I'm as real as you are". Which was a very meta line in the context of a series where The Doctor didn't feel like he knew who he was at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 23:34:15 GMT
We even have one of those for Doctor Who with Inferno. In the context of the show, the Brigade Leader, Section Leader Elizabeth Shaw, the rest of Project: Inferno in that parallel timeline are all real. The Doctor doesn't treat them as lesser copies, but people in their own right. People who made different choices from the friends and acquaintances he knows, but nevertheless, he still tries to save their lives. When he fails, the destruction of their world puts the Doctor into a coma for most of the next episode. It still haunts him during his time with Jo Grant. Their lives mattered. It wasn't an inconsequential loss to him. It's in the ship's name -- Time and Relative Dimensions in Space. Relative, sure, but just as important to the people living in it. I don't know anyone who would answer the accusation: "You're not real," with anything less than, "Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?" Their lives are real enough to them. We've also got Pete's Earth, of course. And a telling line in Robot Of Sherwood where The Doctor tries to figure out once and for all if this is ACTUALLY Robin Hood (maybe half-thinking he's in The Land Of Fiction). Robin's response to him? "I'm as real as you are". Which was a very meta line in the context of a series where The Doctor didn't feel like he knew who he was at all. True, true. There's a very interesting thought in that, as well. What happens when you take a character unsure of their own identity (not amnesiac, just self-conscious) and put them side-by-side with a distinctly different counterpart who is, nevertheless, absolutely assured in their own personality? Does our version become more like them to try and gain that confidence (with the ensuing consequences)? Does the counterpart lose that assurance after seeing their other self? Varying with the character that was chosen, there's a lot of places it could go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 22:13:54 GMT
There's only one canon that counts in Doctor Who ...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 9, 2021 22:19:43 GMT
There's only one canon that counts in Doctor Who ...
Nice love cannon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 20:56:04 GMT
Rose has a dimension Cannon does that count? I just listen and think liked that story....and everything can be rewritten...even Chibnall
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 27, 2021 21:10:59 GMT
Rose has a dimension Cannon does that count? I just listen and think liked that story....and everything can be rewritten... even Chibnall NO. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 28, 2021 17:39:22 GMT
DW has neither a cannon nor a ball. But it has both a hale and a pace. And a mitchell and a webb, also.
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