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Post by dastari on Dec 30, 2015 18:13:03 GMT
The narration in the Early Adventures & first 3 Doctor's Lost Stories is fine. Can't say I am a fan as I am in the above narration but it doesn't really bother or distract me either. The thing that confuses me is why narration is bad for the 3DA's but good for the Early Adventures. It's used in entirely the same way. It makes sense with the CC's where it's a story being told to you by someone. I'd like to go to a format with the 3DA's and Early Adventures where narration is not required, but can be used if the author feels like it enhances their story. A lot of times it feels forced in both the EA's and 3DA's. I think it's still too soon for the Brigadier to be recast but the Degaldo Master is a possibility and would allow them a lot of interesting options in terms of using that incarnation - imagine the 5th Doctor meeting that incarnation or the 10th. I'd rather not. I don't see much purpose in putting the master out of order with the Doctor. Completely agree there. If they do recast Delgado, which I think is only a matter of time, I'd like to see him on the 3DA's only or possibly in the EA's. If I had my druthers, a season six story between the novel The Dark Path and when we see him in Terror of the Autons. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 30, 2015 18:52:09 GMT
The narration in the Early Adventures & first 3 Doctor's Lost Stories is fine. Can't say I am a fan as I am in the above narration but it doesn't really bother or distract me either. The thing that confuses me is why narration is bad for the 3DA's but good for the Early Adventures. It's used in entirely the same way. It makes sense with the CC's where it's a story being told to you by someone. I'd like to go to a format with the 3DA's and Early Adventures where narration is not required, but can be used if the author feels like it enhances their story. A lot of times it feels forced in both the EA's and 3DA's. I'd rather not. I don't see much purpose in putting the master out of order with the Doctor. Completely agree there. If they do recast Delgado, which I think is only a matter of time, I'd like to see him on the 3DA's only or possibly in the EA's. If I had my druthers, a season six story between the novel The Dark Path and when we see him in Terror of the Autons. Why keep it to the 3DAs and Early Adventures? How boring for a show about time travel. |
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 30, 2015 19:03:08 GMT
I really don't see any point to "recasting" Delgado. Pertwee wanted Trevor Martin to play the next UNIT era Master in a proposed third BBC Radio Third Doctor story that never happened. I say let the man have his wish, and get Trevor Martin in to play a post-Delgado / pre-Pratt incarnation of The Master opposite Treloar!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 30, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
I really don't see any point to "recasting" Delgado. Pertwee wanted Trevor Martin to play the next UNIT era Master in a proposed third BBC Radio Third Doctor story that never happened. I say let the man have his wish, and get Trevor Martin in to play a post-Delgado / pre-Pratt incarnation of The Master opposite Treloar! ...Or cast Trevor Martin as the Degaldo Master. |
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 30, 2015 21:12:51 GMT
I really don't see any point to "recasting" Delgado. Pertwee wanted Trevor Martin to play the next UNIT era Master in a proposed third BBC Radio Third Doctor story that never happened. I say let the man have his wish, and get Trevor Martin in to play a post-Delgado / pre-Pratt incarnation of The Master opposite Treloar! ...Or cast Trevor Martin as the Degaldo Master. For what purpose? Like, seriously, why? Recasting the Doctor is one thing. He's the most important person to the story. If he's not there, it's not "Doctor Who", it's a spin-off. And if you want Third Doctor stories, the options are Companion Chronicles, audiobooks, or recasting. Recasting the companions less so. They're not strictly needed, and, unless something specific about a given companion is called for, it could be rewritten for a different Doctor/Companion team. But the villains are really stretching it. They changed actors for villains all the time. And for Time Lords it's a built in excuse! There are no instances of a Time Lord with a new actor not being a new incarnation/regeneration/rejuvination/whathaveyou of some sort in the Classic Series, barring one specific instance (Hunrdall). So please, what would be the point of casting a new actor for the role of The Master and then have him play an already existing person's role? And, before you mention Hollows of Time or The End of the Line, the former is clearly a disguise anyway (and has licensing reasons behind it), and the latter is explained away within the context of the story. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 30, 2015 21:25:00 GMT
...Or cast Trevor Martin as the Degaldo Master. For what purpose? Like, seriously, why? Recasting the Doctor is one thing. He's the most important person to the story. If he's not there, it's not "Doctor Who", it's a spin-off. And if you want Third Doctor stories, the options are Companion Chronicles, audiobooks, or recasting. Recasting the companions less so. They're not strictly needed, and, unless something specific about a given companion is called for, it could be rewritten for a different Doctor/Companion team. But the villains are really stretching it. They changed actors for villains all the time. And for Time Lords it's a built in excuse! There are no instances of a Time Lord with a new actor not being a new incarnation/regeneration/rejuvination/whathaveyou of some sort in the Classic Series, barring one specific instance (Hunrdall). So please, what would be the point of casting a new actor for the role of The Master and then have him play an already existing person's role? And, before you mention Hollows of Time or The End of the Line, the former is clearly a disguise anyway (and has licensing reasons behind it), and the latter is explained away within the context of the story. Because Degaldo's Master is a very big part of the Jon Pertwee era and it would therefore seem odd if that incarnation is never there in any 3rd Doctor audios. |
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Post by randomjc on Dec 30, 2015 21:27:46 GMT
I really don't see any point to "recasting" Delgado. Pertwee wanted Trevor Martin to play the next UNIT era Master in a proposed third BBC Radio Third Doctor story that never happened. I say let the man have his wish, and get Trevor Martin in to play a post-Delgado / pre-Pratt incarnation of The Master opposite Treloar! ...Or cast Trevor Martin as the Degaldo Master. Or a Martin Master. There is no reason to force Martin to play Delgado, instead of his own. it's a villain that literally can change faces, that we have only seen very few of those faces before he was granted more regenerations. ...Or cast Trevor Martin as the Degaldo Master. But the villains are really stretching it. They changed actors for villains all the time. And for Time Lords it's a built in excuse! There are no instances of a Time Lord with a new actor not being a new incarnation/regeneration/rejuvination/whathaveyou of some sort in the Classic Series, barring one specific instance (Hunrdall). Technically, as well, Pratt and Beavers. |
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Post by randomjc on Dec 30, 2015 21:29:44 GMT
For what purpose? Like, seriously, why? Recasting the Doctor is one thing. He's the most important person to the story. If he's not there, it's not "Doctor Who", it's a spin-off. And if you want Third Doctor stories, the options are Companion Chronicles, audiobooks, or recasting. Recasting the companions less so. They're not strictly needed, and, unless something specific about a given companion is called for, it could be rewritten for a different Doctor/Companion team. But the villains are really stretching it. They changed actors for villains all the time. And for Time Lords it's a built in excuse! There are no instances of a Time Lord with a new actor not being a new incarnation/regeneration/rejuvination/whathaveyou of some sort in the Classic Series, barring one specific instance (Hunrdall). So please, what would be the point of casting a new actor for the role of The Master and then have him play an already existing person's role? And, before you mention Hollows of Time or The End of the Line, the former is clearly a disguise anyway (and has licensing reasons behind it), and the latter is explained away within the context of the story. Because Degaldo's Master is a very big part of the Jon Pertwee era and it would therefore seem odd if that incarnation is never there in any 3rd Doctor audios. And thus, a fan shackles himself to the past, and can't imagine growth or change. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 30, 2015 21:32:26 GMT
Because Degaldo's Master is a very big part of the Jon Pertwee era and it would therefore seem odd if that incarnation is never there in any 3rd Doctor audios. And thus, a fan shackles himself to the past, and can't imagine growth or change. Except the point of these audios is that they're supposed to reflect the era, not change it. |
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 30, 2015 21:33:15 GMT
For what purpose? Like, seriously, why? Recasting the Doctor is one thing. He's the most important person to the story. If he's not there, it's not "Doctor Who", it's a spin-off. And if you want Third Doctor stories, the options are Companion Chronicles, audiobooks, or recasting. Recasting the companions less so. They're not strictly needed, and, unless something specific about a given companion is called for, it could be rewritten for a different Doctor/Companion team. But the villains are really stretching it. They changed actors for villains all the time. And for Time Lords it's a built in excuse! There are no instances of a Time Lord with a new actor not being a new incarnation/regeneration/rejuvination/whathaveyou of some sort in the Classic Series, barring one specific instance (Hunrdall). So please, what would be the point of casting a new actor for the role of The Master and then have him play an already existing person's role? And, before you mention Hollows of Time or The End of the Line, the former is clearly a disguise anyway (and has licensing reasons behind it), and the latter is explained away within the context of the story. Because Degaldo's Master is a very big part of the Jon Pertwee era and it would therefore seem odd if that incarnation is never there in any 3rd Doctor audios. And yet, Pertwee, the man himself, wanted Trevor Martin to play a new post-Delgado incarnation. |
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 30, 2015 21:34:55 GMT
And thus, a fan shackles himself to the past, and can't imagine growth or change. Except the point of these audios is that they're supposed to reflect the era, not change it. I thought the point was rather to have new Third Doctor Audios, and blazing off into new adventures, much the same as they have done with all the Doctors on audio? (with the possible exception of The Fourth) |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 30, 2015 21:37:30 GMT
Except the point of these audios is that they're supposed to reflect the era, not change it. I thought the point was rather to have new Third Doctor Audios, and blazing off into new adventures, much the same as they have done with all the Doctors on audio? (with the possible exception of The Fourth) Yes, new adventures that reflect that era. It's the main show's job to change. |
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Post by randomjc on Dec 30, 2015 21:37:59 GMT
Except the point of these audios is that they're supposed to reflect the era, not change it. I thought the point was rather to have new Third Doctor Audios, and blazing off into new adventures, much the same as they have done with all the Doctors on audio? (with the possible exception of The Fourth) And I've heard a great many people say the Fourth has suffered for it. |
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Post by randomjc on Dec 30, 2015 21:38:53 GMT
I thought the point was rather to have new Third Doctor Audios, and blazing off into new adventures, much the same as they have done with all the Doctors on audio? (with the possible exception of The Fourth) Yes, new adventures that reflect that era. It's the main show's job to change. ...How many Classic series Big Finish stories have you listened to. Because that has go to be the [very angry words not fit to repeat].
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 21:52:21 GMT
Well, clearly not releases like The Scorchies or Doll Of Death which couldn't be less representative of the Pertwee era but still are wonderful Who stories. The first volume of the 3DAs was indeed very traditional and in keeping with the TV tone but with so many unsure of recasting The Doctor it was wise to play it safe there for that initial release.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 30, 2015 22:51:03 GMT
Once you recast the Doctor, the floodgates are open.
Barbara and Ben have been recast as well.
Arguments could be made that the first and second Doctors have been recast.
So.... Why not Lethbridge-Stewart? Cast him well and we could get Lethbridge-Stewart on TV as well.
Why not Sarah-Jane?
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Post by omega on Dec 30, 2015 23:08:57 GMT
Once you recast the Doctor, the floodgates are open. Barbara and Ben have been recast as well. Arguments could be made that the first and second Doctors have been recast. So.... Why not Lethbridge-Stewart? Cast him well and we could get Lethbridge-Stewart on TV as well. Why not Sarah-Jane? For the Brig and Sarah, it seems too soon. Jacqueline Hill, Michael Craze, William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee have been gone since before Big Finish started (and they've been working around their absences pretty well before recasting), while Nick Courtney and Liz Sladen have only passed on less than five years ago, and they both did stories with Big Finish. One of the unofficial spin-off videos recast Liz Shaw and there was a small fuss about it. |
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Post by kimalysong on Dec 30, 2015 23:13:03 GMT
The thing that confuses me is why narration is bad for the 3DA's but good for the Early Adventures. It's used in entirely the same way. It makes sense with the CC's where it's a story being told to you by someone. I'd like to go to a format with the 3DA's and Early Adventures where narration is not required, but can be used if the author feels like it enhances their story. A lot of times it feels forced in both the EA's and 3DA's. Well if you read my post I explained it was the way the narration was written in the 3DA's vs Early Adventures. It's not that I prefer narration in one range over the other. The narration of the 3DA's just wasn't well written overall. But personally I don't need narration in the EA's or the 3DA's. |
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 30, 2015 23:19:23 GMT
But personally I don't need narration in the EA's or the 3DA's. sush! Don't give them any ideas! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 1:24:12 GMT
Once you recast the Doctor, the floodgates are open. Barbara and Ben have been recast as well. Arguments could be made that the first and second Doctors have been recast. So.... Why not Lethbridge-Stewart? Cast him well and we could get Lethbridge-Stewart on TV as well. Why not Sarah-Jane? They've clearly made decisions based on how long the respective character's actor passed away. It's been decades for Pertwee, Michael Craze, Jacqueline Hill. It's been only a few for Liz Sladen, Nick Courtney and Mary Tamm. There's also a much more personal connection for the latter as they all worked with BF whereas the former died before BF was formed. So I don't think we'll see those characters recast for a long, long time. It's not policy across all fandom of course - BBV recast Liz Shaw earlier in 2015 for a new film only 2 years after Caroline John passed (I thought the title of their release - "When To Die" was ill-advised) and I don't remember that release being too controversial though admittedly BBV are a minnow compared with BF. |
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