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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 22, 2022 12:53:17 GMT
Nice artwork, interesting new companion, i hope each story is linked as i prefer the longer stories than 1 hour 2 parters.
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 22, 2022 13:00:28 GMT
I honestly don’t understand the love behind the digital painting Conceivably it’s a way to deal with the fact that BF’s used pretty much every publicity photo of every Doctor in costume at least once by now. Could just take current photos of the actors and use deepfake ai to make them younger
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 22, 2022 13:17:51 GMT
I’m very much of the opinion that limitations are a good thing as they stir creativity and act as a starting point. (Ask someone to write a story about anything at all, they’ll struggle. But ask them to tell a story about an elephant and it’ll come more easily). I think there's a distinction to be made between limitations on one story only and the same limitation being applied to multiple stories for no other reason than to provide a boxset with a "theme". I think what you're saying is 100% fair for one story only looked at in isolation - i.e. if 1 of 3 stories in a 3 story boxset is about elephants, then fair enough, but if all 3 have to be about elephants and you end up with a boxset containing 3 otherwise unrelated elephant stories for no good reason other than the producer decided elephants would make a good theme . . . then you are potentially ending up with a dull boxset. Or maybe the distinction is between the writer's experience and the listener's. What might be helpful for the writers could end up being a bit samey for the listener Absolutely, well put. It also doesn’t take into account the experience as a customer and a listener. It may be a more creative process for a writer (although I’d imagine it could be equally as limiting - as with anything in life it differs from individual to individual!), but to do it three times over doesn’t guarantee for a better story and it instantly makes something repetitive and limiting, which makes it a harder sell for the story itself. That’s not to say you can’t produce three brilliant stories (although I’m struggling to think of a Big Finish example with such a gimmick producing the goods across the set), but it does seem like you’re starting off on the back foot because an unnecessary constraint is being imposed on the output.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 22, 2022 13:46:12 GMT
Conceivably it’s a way to deal with the fact that BF’s used pretty much every publicity photo of every Doctor in costume at least once by now. Could just take current photos of the actors and use deepfake ai to make them younger
Except the faces end up looking weird and unnatural. I don’t give a damn about cover art. I just want good stories to listen to.
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Post by dorney on Mar 22, 2022 14:46:26 GMT
I’m very much of the opinion that limitations are a good thing as they stir creativity and act as a starting point. (Ask someone to write a story about anything at all, they’ll struggle. But ask them to tell a story about an elephant and it’ll come more easily). I think there's a distinction to be made between limitations on one story only and the same limitation being applied to multiple stories for no other reason than to provide a boxset with a "theme". I think what you're saying is 100% fair for one story only looked at in isolation - i.e. if 1 of 3 stories in a 3 story boxset is about elephants, then fair enough, but if all 3 have to be about elephants and you end up with a boxset containing 3 otherwise unrelated elephant stories for no good reason other than the producer decided elephants would make a good theme . . . then you are potentially ending up with a dull boxset. Or maybe the distinction is between the writer's experience and the listener's. What might be helpful for the writers could end up being a bit samey for the listener I’d still disagree, tbh. As ever with these things it’s all in the execution, but there’s no reason to assume a ‘three elephant’ boxset would automatically be dull. As you say ‘potentially’ (and ‘could end up’), but no more so for either than for a set without a theme. A connecting theme gives you opportunities total standalones don’t have. Thematic connections, plot connections, contrasts and so on, all of which are things that could strengthen a story. Nothing in storytelling is automatically a negative. Execution every time.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 22, 2022 15:19:14 GMT
I think there's a distinction to be made between limitations on one story only and the same limitation being applied to multiple stories for no other reason than to provide a boxset with a "theme". I think what you're saying is 100% fair for one story only looked at in isolation - i.e. if 1 of 3 stories in a 3 story boxset is about elephants, then fair enough, but if all 3 have to be about elephants and you end up with a boxset containing 3 otherwise unrelated elephant stories for no good reason other than the producer decided elephants would make a good theme . . . then you are potentially ending up with a dull boxset. Or maybe the distinction is between the writer's experience and the listener's. What might be helpful for the writers could end up being a bit samey for the listener I’d still disagree, tbh. As ever with these things it’s all in the execution, but there’s no reason to assume a ‘three elephant’ boxset would automatically be dull. As you say ‘potentially’ (and ‘could end up’), but no more so for either than for a set without a theme. A connecting theme gives you opportunities total standalones don’t have. Thematic connections, plot connections, contrasts and so on, all of which are things that could strengthen a story. Nothing in storytelling is automatically a negative. Execution every time.Exactly.
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Post by dorney on Mar 22, 2022 15:19:55 GMT
Oh, and worth adding - it’s possibly a bit of a leap to assume that the same ‘limitation’ has been applied to all three ‘for no other reason to provide a boxset with a “theme”’.
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Post by bonehead on Mar 22, 2022 15:25:35 GMT
I quite like the idea of themed box-sets. It's worked petty well with the 9DAs. Of course, it all depends on how its executed. If the Doctor visits an intergalactic paddling pool infested with pirhanas in every story, it will be pretty dull to listen to, but BF are more imaginative than me! The recent Peladon set, for example, was great and acclaimed; all stories were set in the same location, and each one was really good in its own right, as well as providing a cohesive 'whole'. The recent TV series too - which I rave about, sometimes in a vacuum, but that's okay - is to blame! But having Flux as a subtitle is more entertaining than 'Series 13' (maybe Chris C is superstitious) and makes me think, "Oh that's the one with Azure, Swarm and the Angels." As BF had so much product by now, as does the TV show, its good to differentiate between box-sets, I think. I can't see any problem, only positives.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 22, 2022 17:49:55 GMT
Well, I liked the previous BF water worlds, especially the one with the floating ocean in Dark Eyes. Would be happy to return there.
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Post by kipperserver on Mar 23, 2022 20:39:13 GMT
I honestly don’t understand the love behind the digital painting look it’s bland as hell and it’s just a filter over a regular photoshop photo I’d rather have a Tom Webster like art Still let’s hope this Boxset is decent would be interesting to see Rove McManus acting in this You mioght think it's bland as hell but it's not a filter of a regular photoshop photo, its an actual painting. Clauri==dia Gironi's been doing this kind of thing for years. She's brilliant. www.deviantart.com/wisesnailart
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 24, 2022 0:54:54 GMT
The Tegan seal of approval.
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 26, 2022 3:38:37 GMT
I honestly don’t understand the love behind the digital painting look it’s bland as hell and it’s just a filter over a regular photoshop photo I’d rather have a Tom Webster like art Still let’s hope this Boxset is decent would be interesting to see Rove McManus acting in this You mioght think it's bland as hell but it's not a filter of a regular photoshop photo, its an actual painting. Clauri==dia Gironi's been doing this kind of thing for years. She's brilliant. www.deviantart.com/wisesnailartYeah, I was gonna say--I've played with plenty of photoshop filters and they can't do anything even half so nice as these. If there is an "issue" with them (and I'm not convinced there is) it's that the portraits are very realistic, so maybe slightly more stylized/abstract paintings would work better? Super-realistic paintings are the kind of thing that are insanely impressive when you're staring right at the canvas, but don't really have the same impact digitally.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 2, 2022 11:36:15 GMT
Having read the Vortex magazine section about Water Worlds i am kinda nervous about the companion Hebe as her character's main personality is "sarcastic" which kinda troubles me that she might come across as unlikable i know that we have had a sarcastic like companion in the past (Lucie miller comes to mind) which yeah can hope that Ruth makes Hebe more akin to Lucie with likeableness but there is the worry she might be arrogant
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 2, 2022 11:39:35 GMT
Having read the Vortex magazine section about Water Worlds i am kinda nervous about the companion Hebe as her character's main personality is "sarcastic" which kinda troubles me that she might come across as unlikable i know that we have had a sarcastic like companion in the past (Lucie miller comes to mind) which yeah can hope that Ruth makes Hebe more akin to Lucie with likeableness but there is the worry she might be arrogant Tbf the same thing happens every time they announce a new female companion. It’s just a load of “feisty” and “strong female character” that makes it seem like they’re going to be one note.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 2, 2022 14:21:22 GMT
Having read the Vortex magazine section about Water Worlds i am kinda nervous about the companion Hebe as her character's main personality is "sarcastic" which kinda troubles me that she might come across as unlikable i know that we have had a sarcastic like companion in the past (Lucie miller comes to mind) which yeah can hope that Ruth makes Hebe more akin to Lucie with likeableness but there is the worry she might be arrogant Hmm. I think I am more worried that she might become a lame imitation of Liv Chenka....
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 2, 2022 15:06:37 GMT
Having read the Vortex magazine section about Water Worlds i am kinda nervous about the companion Hebe as her character's main personality is "sarcastic" which kinda troubles me that she might come across as unlikable i know that we have had a sarcastic like companion in the past (Lucie miller comes to mind) which yeah can hope that Ruth makes Hebe more akin to Lucie with likeableness but there is the worry she might be arrogant Hmm. I think I am more worried that she might become a lame imitation of Liv Chenka....
Not sure "lame" is the best word to use here...
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 2, 2022 15:07:44 GMT
Hmm. I think I am more worried that she might become a lame imitation of Liv Chenka....
Not sure "lame" is the best word to use here... "pale"?
Better? Did not think this through, sorry.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 3, 2022 3:53:05 GMT
Having read the Vortex magazine section about Water Worlds i am kinda nervous about the companion Hebe as her character's main personality is "sarcastic" which kinda troubles me that she might come across as unlikable i know that we have had a sarcastic like companion in the past (Lucie miller comes to mind) which yeah can hope that Ruth makes Hebe more akin to Lucie with likeableness but there is the worry she might be arrogant Hmm. I think I am more worried that she might become a lame imitation of Liv Chenka....
Let’s hope big finish doesn’t make hebe a Liv Chenka 2.0 because Liv was honestly One of the reasons I struggled with the 8DAs post Dark Eyes 1 due to how unlikable I found her (no disrespect to Nicola walker who was really likeable in the behind the scenes interviews)
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 3, 2022 7:36:57 GMT
Ruth adds her own spin to everything. She won’t be anything like Lucie or Liv or even Tegan, Donna or Amy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 7:46:36 GMT
Ruth adds her own spin to everything. She won’t be anything like Lucie or Liv or even Tegan, Donna or Amy. Exactly. And all of those characters could be sarcastic but are completely different.
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