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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 22:54:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 2:35:26 GMT
Kinda curious, has anyone else on here ordered this?
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Post by commonman on Oct 29, 2021 9:08:02 GMT
I'm out of the loop, but there seems to be a huge controversy going on about BBV in general and this specific release.
Can anyone who has been following it please explain to me what is going? (even via PM)
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 29, 2021 10:14:29 GMT
I'm out of the loop, but there seems to be a huge controversy going on about BBV in general and this specific release. Can anyone who has been following it please explain to me what is going? (even via PM) They hired an actor called Brett Underwood for the role of Sherlock Holmes in an audio drama (i dont know who the person is but yeah things dont sound good)
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 29, 2021 13:38:39 GMT
I'm out of the loop, but there seems to be a huge controversy going on about BBV in general and this specific release. Can anyone who has been following it please explain to me what is going? (even via PM) They hired an actor called Brett Underwood for the role of Sherlock Holmes in an audio drama (i dont know who the person is but yeah things dont sound good)
On top of that, Baggs is in full damage control mode (comment's in the tweet illusive's provided). I can't verify this specifically, but a lot of people are saying Baggs knew the allegations (BU grooming minors in the Who community for years, which got outed last year) and didn't believe them.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 29, 2021 13:42:47 GMT
Also emerging is accusations that BBV is scamming its creatives, not paying them properly or outright refusing to.
And it's not just recently:
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 30, 2021 20:01:58 GMT
And if you're wondering if it got worse, here's Dave McIntee himself on how Baggs gipped him on a script:
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Post by grinch on Oct 30, 2021 20:06:46 GMT
All looks pretty damning to be honest.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 31, 2021 4:17:42 GMT
I've always been skeptical about BBV because I've heard about how Baggs has ripped people off over the years. Recently I saw a few talented new-ish people were getting work with them, so I thought it was good for that at least. But with the stuff that's coming out now, it seems like they're all getting completely scammed. Percentages only? No up-front payment? Writers paying for actors themselves? Baggs should feel ashamed of himself for taking advantage of people who have a genuine passion for writing Doctor Who universe stuff. Hiring a known groomer (and then trying to bury it by telling people to take it to emails!) makes it even worse.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 31, 2021 7:05:50 GMT
Looking at all the replies is it time to stop working for them?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 31, 2021 11:31:43 GMT
I've always been skeptical about BBV because I've heard about how Baggs has ripped people off over the years. Recently I saw a few talented new-ish people were getting work with them, so I thought it was good for that at least. But with the stuff that's coming out now, it seems like they're all getting completely scammed. Percentages only? No up-front payment? Writers paying for actors themselves? Baggs should feel ashamed of himself for taking advantage of people who have a genuine passion for writing Doctor Who universe stuff. Hiring a known groomer (and then trying to bury it by telling people to take it to emails!) makes it even worse. As I'm a working writer, I have seen and been on the receiving end of people like Baggs. Never sell your worth for 'a shot' - that's a fast track to exploitation and nothing is worth that. Same as 'agents' who charge you to read your work - get as far away as you can from them, it's a scam.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 3:41:54 GMT
Looking at all the replies is it time to stop working for them? Why stop? As for the Brett thing, that audio was dropped anyways, just like BF did you Absent Friends... I don't understand all the drama. Both companies had someone get cancelled. Both those people have neither been arrested or charged of a single thing either. The difference is one person admits they've done stuff, the other one denies it.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 26, 2021 8:00:24 GMT
Looking at all the replies is it time to stop working for them? Why stop? As for the Brett thing, that audio was dropped anyways, just like BF did you Absent Friends... I don't understand all the drama. Both companies had someone get cancelled. Both those people have neither been arrested or charged of a single thing either. The difference is one person admits they've done stuff, the other one denies it. Well looking at some of the replies if the allegations of them ripping off creators are valid they don't seem like a nice company to work for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 3:09:56 GMT
Why stop? As for the Brett thing, that audio was dropped anyways, just like BF did you Absent Friends... I don't understand all the drama. Both companies had someone get cancelled. Both those people have neither been arrested or charged of a single thing either. The difference is one person admits they've done stuff, the other one denies it. Well looking at some of the replies if the allegations of them ripping off creators are valid they don't seem like a nice company to work for. Percentages make sense when you consider is a company that was on hiatus for some time and is building itself back up. It's not like some giant corporation. In regards to BF, McGann always says, the more you buy the more they make. Well BBV has to sell before they can offer anything don't you think? And with people causing drama that's non-existent, how could you expect them to do that? People assume that the business just started with bank, and I've seen comments of people saying that BBV is trying to take away from other licensed companies by their releases, to the point they refer to these other companies as "the little guys", yet they assume BBV is a giant conglomerate? I've been keeping up with everything, and BBV got trolled hard, with zero actual proof, and some of the stuff I've seen is ridiculous. Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 6, 2021 10:51:21 GMT
Well looking at some of the replies if the allegations of them ripping off creators are valid they don't seem like a nice company to work for. Percentages make sense when you consider is a company that was on hiatus for some time and is building itself back up. It's not like some giant corporation. In regards to BF, McGann always says, the more you buy the more they make. Well BBV has to sell before they can offer anything don't you think? And with people causing drama that's non-existent, how could you expect them to do that? People assume that the business just started with bank, and I've seen comments of people saying that BBV is trying to take away from other licensed companies by their releases, to the point they refer to these other companies as "the little guys", yet they assume BBV is a giant conglomerate? I've been keeping up with everything, and BBV got trolled hard, with zero actual proof, and some of the stuff I've seen is ridiculous. Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years. Apologist, towing the company line.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 21:36:21 GMT
Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years. You are Bill Baggs, and I claim my five pounds.
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Post by redsharkJason on Dec 8, 2021 4:42:38 GMT
Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years. You are Bill Baggs, and I claim my five pounds.
Hmm...you've highlighted the sentence that I had already previously taken some exception with. Sega's (who I think we have established lives in Canada, not Bill Baggs) other points within his posted paragraph were at least a coherent argument of defence, but the wording that Doctor Who would have never continued to survive without mainly BBV is a little hard to believe. I will give credit that BBV often enhanced my experience of Doctor Who while the show was off the air, but I don't think that company's existence ever made the grade where BBC headquarters felt they needed it.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 8, 2021 14:32:30 GMT
You are Bill Baggs, and I claim my five pounds.
Hmm...you've highlighted the sentence that I had already previously taken some exception with. Sega's (who I think we have established lives in Canada, not Bill Baggs) other points within his posted paragraph were at least a coherent argument of defence, but the wording that Doctor Who would have never continued to survive without mainly BBV is a little hard to believe. I will give credit that BBV often enhanced my experience of Doctor Who while the show was off the air, but I don't think that company's existence ever made the grade where BBC headquarters felt they needed it. It's really grasping at straws, to be honest - yes, some of the BF guys came from there, and certainly there are concepts and stories BF told that would have some influence on NuWho. But to paint Baggs as the 'key' to all that is generous. Lest we forget, the guy who actually brought the show back, who basically staked his reputation and did all the actual work in 05, never worked with BBV. Moffatt didn't, nor did Chibnall. To say nothing of most of the big talent, across the entire franchise, coming from the Virgin days and, again, never working with BBV.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 8, 2021 14:35:42 GMT
Percentages make sense when you consider is a company that was on hiatus for some time and is building itself back up. It's not like some giant corporation. In regards to BF, McGann always says, the more you buy the more they make. Well BBV has to sell before they can offer anything don't you think? And with people causing drama that's non-existent, how could you expect them to do that? People assume that the business just started with bank, and I've seen comments of people saying that BBV is trying to take away from other licensed companies by their releases, to the point they refer to these other companies as "the little guys", yet they assume BBV is a giant conglomerate? I've been keeping up with everything, and BBV got trolled hard, with zero actual proof, and some of the stuff I've seen is ridiculous. Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years. Apologist, towing the company line. As an industry person, percentages should be backend, not the only payment. Any remotely competent business person knows you have to speculate to accumulate, and should have some capital beforehand - trying to cheap out will always lead to a poorer product and more long term damage to reputation, which can hurt a business' growth. Size of the company is completely irrelevant to honouring contractual agreements (bear in mind how many people are being accused of 'lying' here). This paragraph doesn't really work as a counterargument to the many complaints, and defending exploitative practices that pray on young talent who are desperate for any way in is not wise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:35:46 GMT
Let's not forget without companies like BBV (BBV being the main one), Doctor Who NEVER would have survived the wilderness years. You are Bill Baggs, and I claim my five pounds.
That sounds like a out of body experience. Last time I checked the mirror, pretty sure I wasn't Bill.
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