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Post by constonks on Sept 25, 2021 5:05:10 GMT
If it's a first story for a new Doctor, I'd also rather it not have any other Doctors. But - could there be a familiar face or two? Some old friends? Absolutely. I could imagine a nice return for Susan, Jo, Ace or Martha in that context!
Or! You just have the new Doctor return to a non-destroyed Gallifrey (or a Gallifreyan colony or whatever makes sense after Series 13 is done) after having some regeneration problems and do a Deadly Assassin-style solo story with lots of nods to the past there.
Or even just the new Doctor versus Davros and the Master or Cyber-Zygons or one very large Adipose or whatever, there's a million different ways to start off an era, celebrate the past and avoid a multi-Doctor story all at once.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 5:18:23 GMT
If it's a first story for a new Doctor, I'd also rather it not have any other Doctors. But - could there be a familiar face or two? Some old friends? Absolutely. I could imagine a nice return for Susan, Jo, Ace or Martha in that context! Or! You just have the new Doctor return to a non-destroyed Gallifrey (or a Gallifreyan colony or whatever makes sense after Series 13 is done) after having some regeneration problems and do a Deadly Assassin-style solo story with lots of nods to the past there. Or even just the new Doctor versus Davros and the Master or Cyber-Zygons or one very large Adipose or whatever, there's a million different ways to start off an era, celebrate the past and avoid a multi-Doctor story all at once. Honestly, we've not seen much of Karn in a post-Time War context. If they wanted to do a Gallifrey Minus Gallifrey story, there's still a fair amount to explore with the planet, its Sisterhood and its (at one point deliberately severed) connection to the Time Lords.
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 25, 2021 5:46:01 GMT
After being shortchanged in the 50th I hope that RTD brings back Paul McGann’s Doctor for a full appearance
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 25, 2021 6:40:56 GMT
The way I see it they've basically got two options: 1. An episode without the new Doctor, probably a multi-Doctor story with Tennant, Smith, hopefully McGann, etc returning. A celebration of the show with a teaser leading into the new era proper. Small appearance by the fourteenth Doctor at the very end. 2. The first episode for the 14th Doctor, treated as a big event. No past Doctors to overwhelm the new actor's performance, but probably a number of nods to the history of the show. Most likely a big classic monster/enemy, or multiple.
Or it'll be a third thing I haven't thought of, because RTD is a better writer than I am.
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 25, 2021 6:53:20 GMT
Exciting news RTD returning as showrunner, Please bring back Paul McGann for the 60th anniversary this wonderful actor deserves more than a 7 minute mini episode.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 25, 2021 7:01:37 GMT
Crazy idea: don't have a big anniversary special be the first adventure of a new Doctor. End Jodie's era with her regenerating into the next Doctor, then for the 60th sidestep into a multi-Doc adventure with classic Doctors, then for the first episode of series 14 pick up back from the end of the Jodie era. My thinking: focus the 60th special on the new Doctor, none of the others, and make the upcoming series just one big, full multi-Doctor crossover thing for the "series arc." Rather than cramming every Doctor possible in a single bombastic special, let's trickle in a few at a time for smaller-scale episodes leading into the (predictably bombastic) finale. That way we get more Doctor-meets-Doctor fanservice unencumbered by the false drama of the Big Terrible Problem That Must Be Technobabbled Away. So Bad Wolf, but instead of the words, "Bad Wolf," we get other Doctors popping in random episodes for a scene or two. (EDIT: think of that 6th Doctor MR where the 7th pops in at the end for a scene with Evelyn.)
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Post by mbt66 on Sept 25, 2021 9:11:20 GMT
It’s RTD, so obviously that means Returning Tenth Doctor!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 10:46:41 GMT
If it's a first story for a new Doctor, I'd also rather it not have any other Doctors. But - could there be a familiar face or two? Some old friends? Absolutely. I could imagine a nice return for Susan, Jo, Ace or Martha in that context! Or! You just have the new Doctor return to a non-destroyed Gallifrey (or a Gallifreyan colony or whatever makes sense after Series 13 is done) after having some regeneration problems and do a Deadly Assassin-style solo story with lots of nods to the past there. Or even just the new Doctor versus Davros and the Master or Cyber-Zygons or one very large Adipose or whatever, there's a million different ways to start off an era, celebrate the past and avoid a multi-Doctor story all at once. "Doctor Who and the very large Adipose". I'd be down for that.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 25, 2021 12:43:00 GMT
If RTD can convince Capaldi to come back for the 60th, I kind of hope we get series 9 guitar and sunglasses 12 and still traveling with Clara. I feel like even though we got very good scenes between these in that era, it would be good to revisit 12 and Clara from this era in 60th in particular because it’s when they are closest (and more affectionate) with each other and we didn’t have enough moments of them just together during this time. Also I really want 12’s reintroduction in the 60th to be him rocking out with his electric guitar! Oh and 12 and Clara have to do one of their iconic hugs ( although I would really love it if they kissed but I doubt if they will do it in the 60th). Can their please be an excuse at some point in one of their segments for 12 and Clara to slow dance, they never had them do that in their original run and I need to see them slow dance on screen!
Sidenote: I will be kind of annoyed if RTD brings back 12 with River, I suppose I would get over it in order to get more 12 but it will still frustrate me and I would probably write an alternate fan fic where he’s with Clara instead.
Sidenote: I would also be reasonably happy with Bill, Missy and Nardole too but you know me and my love of 12 and Clara.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 13:04:13 GMT
If RTD can convince Capaldi to come back for the 60th, I kind of hope we get series 9 guitar and sunglasses 12 and still traveling with Clara. I feel like even though we got very good scenes between these in that era, it would be good to revisit 12 and Clara from this era in 60th in particular because it’s when they are closest (and more affectionate) with each other and we didn’t have enough moments of them just together during this time. Also I really want 12’s reintroduction in the 60th to be him rocking out with his electric guitar! Oh and 12 and Clara have to do one of their iconic hugs ( although I would really love it if they kissed but I doubt if they will do it in the 60th). Can their please be an excuse at some point in one of their segments for 12 and Clara to slow dance, they never had them do that in their original run and I need to see them slow dance on screen! Sidenote: I will be kind of annoyed if RTD brings back 12 with River, I suppose I would get over it in order to get more 12 but it will still frustrate me and I would probably write an alternate fan fic where he’s with Clara instead. Sidenote: I would also be reasonably happy with Bill, Missy and Nardole too but you know me and my love of 12 and Clara. Capaldi's recent comments about not wanting to do another multi-Doc, when he literally finished on one, didn't seem to be Chibnall related. I'm not sure RTD makes it any more likely. I'm not even sure - and again, Capaldi is my fave and I advocated for him from 2003 - that this anniversary should be a multi-Doc story. If it's the first full ep for a new Doctor, why take their shine away by bringing back people who have goodwill in the bank already? Some have said "Well, do the 60th as a multi-Doc then start with 14 in the full series". Well, that seems like you're kinda wasting the publicity of the 60th to set up the future in favour of celebrating the past. If RTD casts Olly Alexander, say, I wouldn't want to spend the landmark 60th with people who have had their time instead of giving him the rub of getting centre stage there. Likewise I wouldn't want him to be overshadowed by favourite's returning. Jodie's going to have just left. What's in it for her coming back in the very next ep? I sometimes think the expecting that "anniversary=multi Doctor" is a bit of a millstone. The sentimental side of me would love to see faves back but I also know where looking back too much gets the show. Especially when you've got a new era to launch Maybe the story should be the event - if anyone knows spectacle (maybe too well) in Who, it''s RTD. I think - if they have to be involved - I'd prefer cameos from older Docs. The onus - and RTD knows this, it's why he had Eccleston start with a clean slate entirely - HAS to be on the new Doctor.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 25, 2021 13:18:34 GMT
If RTD can convince Capaldi to come back for the 60th, I kind of hope we get series 9 guitar and sunglasses 12 and still traveling with Clara. I feel like even though we got very good scenes between these in that era, it would be good to revisit 12 and Clara from this era in 60th in particular because it’s when they are closest (and more affectionate) with each other and we didn’t have enough moments of them just together during this time. Also I really want 12’s reintroduction in the 60th to be him rocking out with his electric guitar! Oh and 12 and Clara have to do one of their iconic hugs ( although I would really love it if they kissed but I doubt if they will do it in the 60th). Can their please be an excuse at some point in one of their segments for 12 and Clara to slow dance, they never had them do that in their original run and I need to see them slow dance on screen! Sidenote: I will be kind of annoyed if RTD brings back 12 with River, I suppose I would get over it in order to get more 12 but it will still frustrate me and I would probably write an alternate fan fic where he’s with Clara instead. Sidenote: I would also be reasonably happy with Bill, Missy and Nardole too but you know me and my love of 12 and Clara. Capaldi's recent comments about not wanting to do another multi-Doc, when he literally finished on one, didn't seem to be Chibnall related. I'm not sure RTD makes it any more likely. I'm not even sure - and again, Capaldi is my fave and I advocated for him from 2003 - that this anniversary should be a multi-Doc story. If it's the first full ep for a new Doctor, why take their shine away by bringing back people who have goodwill in the bank already? Some have said "Well, do the 60th as a multi-Doc then start with 14 in the full series". Well, that seems like you're kinda wasting the publicity of the 60th to set up the future in favour of celebrating the past. If RTD casts Olly Alexander, say, I wouldn't want to spend the landmark 60th with people who have had their time instead of giving him the rub of getting centre stage there. Likewise I wouldn't want him to be overshadowed by favourite's returning. Jodie's going to have just left. What's in it for her coming back in the very next ep? I sometimes think the expecting that "anniversary=multi Doctor" is a bit of a millstone. The sentimental side of me would love to see faves back but I also know where looking back too much gets the show. Especially when you've got a new era to launch Maybe the story should be the event - if anyone knows spectacle (maybe too well) in Who, it''s RTD. I think - if they have to be involved - I'd prefer cameos from older Docs. The onus - and RTD knows this, it's why he had Eccleston start with a clean slate entirely - HAS to be on the new Doctor. I don’t think they should introduce 14 until the very end of the 60th or just have their introduction after the 60th entirely so they don’t get overshadowed. Unless they can’t get Capaldi 😢 then I would honestly rather them skip multi Doctors entirely because it would be too sad and disappointing without him and just go straight to 14’s introduction. If they can get Capaldi (which I’m counting on RTD to work his magic on) then I want the focus to be a big multi Doctor celebration with all the focus on past Doctors and 13 if she’s still sticking around for the 60th.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 25, 2021 13:33:48 GMT
Or even just the new Doctor versus Davros and the Master or Cyber-Zygons or one very large Adipose or whatever, t "Doctor Who and the very large Adipose". I'd be down for that. With the big success of last year being the Absorbaloff's father and Sad Tony finally making an appearance, surely they're due for a big-budget return?
No?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 13:45:21 GMT
Capaldi's recent comments about not wanting to do another multi-Doc, when he literally finished on one, didn't seem to be Chibnall related. I'm not sure RTD makes it any more likely. I'm not even sure - and again, Capaldi is my fave and I advocated for him from 2003 - that this anniversary should be a multi-Doc story. If it's the first full ep for a new Doctor, why take their shine away by bringing back people who have goodwill in the bank already? Some have said "Well, do the 60th as a multi-Doc then start with 14 in the full series". Well, that seems like you're kinda wasting the publicity of the 60th to set up the future in favour of celebrating the past. If RTD casts Olly Alexander, say, I wouldn't want to spend the landmark 60th with people who have had their time instead of giving him the rub of getting centre stage there. Likewise I wouldn't want him to be overshadowed by favourite's returning. Jodie's going to have just left. What's in it for her coming back in the very next ep? I sometimes think the expecting that "anniversary=multi Doctor" is a bit of a millstone. The sentimental side of me would love to see faves back but I also know where looking back too much gets the show. Especially when you've got a new era to launch Maybe the story should be the event - if anyone knows spectacle (maybe too well) in Who, it''s RTD. I think - if they have to be involved - I'd prefer cameos from older Docs. The onus - and RTD knows this, it's why he had Eccleston start with a clean slate entirely - HAS to be on the new Doctor. I don’t think they should introduce 14 until the very end of the 60th or just have their introduction after the 60th entirely so they don’t get overshadowed. Unless they can’t get Capaldi 😢 then I would honestly rather them skip multi Doctors entirely because it would be too sad and disappointing without him and just go straight to 14’s introduction. If they can get Capaldi (which I’m counting on RTD to work his magic on) then I want the focus to be a big multi Doctor celebration with all the focus on past Doctors and 13 if she’s still sticking around for the 60th. Well, Jodie's' done with the BBC Centenary ep, so I can't see her coming back for the very next story (unless a cameo filmed earlier a la Matt in Deep Breath) but I think the 60th and RTD's return would be an awful time to spend the whole ep with past Doctors. It's when you're going to get casuals watching for sure. You don't want to spend that 90mins looking backwards IMO - I mean WE would as fangirls and boys but RTD was the master at knowing....we're watching anyway. Don't target us. When he started the revival it was 3 seasons till we heard Gallifrey's mention, The Doctor didn't go on about "Timelords", never mentioned past selves, it was "his people" "his planet". It wasn't even till Sarah Jane showed up some admitted it was the same show as the classic one. And not till he was pictured in the Journal Of Impossible Things in Human Nature did some admit McGann was "canon". RTD knew to drip feed crumbs to the audience and not give fan service too much room. It feels like starting his 2.0 era with an ep just made of past Docs would be against his very nature as a writer, and not using the event to give centre stage to the new Doctor would be against his nature as a showrunner. He knows audiences, and knows that - and it's not easy to digest this - we don't matter. For every "I won't watch if so-and-so isn't it" (who usually watch anyway) - he can lock in a new viewer. Moffat knew that too with The Eleventh Hour. It was all so fresh after the show feeling smug towards the end of the Tennant era.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 25, 2021 13:54:21 GMT
I don’t think they should introduce 14 until the very end of the 60th or just have their introduction after the 60th entirely so they don’t get overshadowed. Unless they can’t get Capaldi 😢 then I would honestly rather them skip multi Doctors entirely because it would be too sad and disappointing without him and just go straight to 14’s introduction. If they can get Capaldi (which I’m counting on RTD to work his magic on) then I want the focus to be a big multi Doctor celebration with all the focus on past Doctors and 13 if she’s still sticking around for the 60th. Well, Jodie's' done with the BBC Centenary ep, so I can't see her coming back for the very next story (unless a cameo filmed earlier a la Matt in Deep Breath) but I think the 60th and RTD's return would be an awful time to spend the whole ep with past Doctors. It's when you're going to get casuals watching for sure. You don't want to spend that 90mins looking backwards IMO - I mean WE would as fangirls and boys but RTD was the master at knowing....we're watching anyway. Don't target us. When he started the revival it was 3 seasons till we heard Gallifrey's mention, The Doctor didn't go on about "Timelords", never mentioned past selves, it was "his people" "his planet". It wasn't even till Sarah Jane showed up some admitted it was the same show as the classic one. And not till he was pictured in the Journal Of Impossible Things in Human Nature did some admit McGann was "canon". RTD knew to drip feed crumbs to the audience and not give fan service too much room. It feels like starting his 2.0 era with an ep just made of past Docs would be against his very nature as a writer, and not using the event to give centre stage to the new Doctor would be against his nature as a showrunner. He knows audiences, and knows that - and it's not easy to digest this - we don't matter. For every "I won't watch if so-and-so isn't it" (who usually watch anyway) - he can lock in a new viewer. Moffat knew that too with The Eleventh Hour. It was all so fresh after the show feeling smug towards the end of the Tennant era. Well I’m not giving up hope of what I’m hoping for and that’s what I’m sticking to🤞 To be honest and no one give me a hard time for this it’s, this is just my opinion; I care more about past Doctors coming back ( especially Capaldi) than I care who 14 is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 14:02:29 GMT
No-ones going to give you a hard time - you want what you want. I have wants for the show too - but I know they're too fannish and wouldn't benefit the show going forward and so I recognise that "I would want" and "What would be good for the show" aren't always the same thing. But in just wanting old Doctors back more than caring about the future...that does seem the antithesis of what Who has always been about. Change and renewal, to quote the Second Doctor. Without it, we wouldn't have all these Doctors to love in the first place.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 25, 2021 14:21:24 GMT
No-ones going to give you a hard time - you want what you want. I have wants for the show too - but I know they're too fannish and wouldn't benefit the show going forward and so I recognise that "I would want" and "What would be good for the show" aren't always the same thing. But in just wanting old Doctors back more than caring about the future...that does seem the antithesis of what Who has always been about. Change and renewal, to quote the Second Doctor. Without it, we wouldn't have all these Doctors to love in the first place. If they can find a balance between the two for the 60th ( as long as that balance involves bringing Capaldi back😉) it would be good🤔
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Post by Digi on Sept 25, 2021 14:35:56 GMT
Another thought that just floated through my head: What if they treat it as a pilot (or maybe, 'pilot plus')? Introduce Doctor #14 at the end of Jodie's final episode, and then for the 60th come in cold / without the recap/re-play of the final moments of the previous episode?
Use the 60th as a vessel to reintroduce DW concepts for a new audience as though it's a pilot episode, but then for us longer-term fans, throw in references and cameos from past productions? There's plenty of examples out there of reboots and revivals being able to reference past entries, without distracting from the story currently being told. A 'reboot' without actually being a reboot.
Then it works as a big marketing vessel to entice new viewers into a new era, it gives the new Doctor actor a big splash entrance without being outshined by past characters, and we get to smile and smirk knowingly at references that are lost on (but not obtrusive to) a new viewer.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 27, 2021 13:31:18 GMT
I kind of agree with these tweets about the 60th😊: bbcode imageSidenote: With me of course it’s wanting a multi Doctor with the condition that I only want it if RTD can get Capaldi for it. But other than that totally agree with this! Sidenote: Sometimes I half wish there was some ritual I could do like a rain dance or wearing my pajamas inside out every night, that could ensure RTD brings Capaldi back for the 60th 🤔😄
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 27, 2021 13:44:44 GMT
Honestly I’d only watch the 60th anniversary if Paul McGann Came back he is the only incentive to even consider watching it
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Post by timegirl on Sept 27, 2021 13:46:19 GMT
Honestly I’d only watch the 60th anniversary if Paul McGann Came back he is the only incentive to even consider watching it Maybe he will, you never know 🙂
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