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Post by muckypup on Sept 27, 2021 14:19:12 GMT
im sure there are big plans and ideas already in place like a regeneration in flux so we might get a few actors being the doctor for a few scenes, pretty much all "rules" are broken now or retcon-ed so i expect a guest actors celebration rather than a past doctor one.
and we might even get a guest director too, both Andy Serkis & Peter Jackson have expressed an interest in the past
also depending how the time lord victorious event sold, we could have a tie in to other media like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 16:23:16 GMT
im sure there are big plans and ideas already in place like a regeneration in flux so we might get a few actors being the doctor for a few scenes, pretty much all "rules" are broken now or retcon-ed so i expect a guest actors celebration rather than a past doctor one. and we might even get a guest director too, both Andy Serkis & Peter Jackson have expressed an interest in the past also depending how the time lord victorious event sold, we could have a tie in to other media like that. A guest Doctor would be a pretty cool idea actually, but I think they'll want to go for something more understandable for the general non-fan audience
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 27, 2021 16:25:44 GMT
and we might even get a guest director too, both Andy Serkis & Peter Jackson have expressed an interest in the past RTD 60th anniversary episode directed by Peter Jackson. That would be huge news for the show.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 27, 2021 17:02:03 GMT
RTD has a big precedent to overcome. Yes, he brought the show back, yes he's acclaimed and so on...but he's got the existence of the 50th looking over his shoulder - and that WAS good - and while this is obviously only my opinion, he's not good with BIG. He does some great spectacle, agreed, but that's not the same thing. Have a look at "The End of Time" for instance. It has moments, lovely moments, but to mangle the quote about Wagner's music, moments separated by really awful half hours.
Now, I'm not saying he can't do it. Moffatt didn't do it either, until he did. So RTD could.
So MY wishes? RTD takes a less "must write it all myself apart from one or two others" approach, and genuinely builds a stable of great writers who can hold it all together through his lead and continuity editing.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 28, 2021 16:35:58 GMT
RTD has a big precedent to overcome. Yes, he brought the show back, yes he's acclaimed and so on...but he's got the existence of the 50th looking over his shoulder - and that WAS good - and while this is obviously only my opinion, he's not good with BIG. He does some great spectacle, agreed, but that's not the same thing. Have a look at "The End of Time" for instance. It has moments, lovely moments, but to mangle the quote about Wagner's music, moments separated by really awful half hours. Now, I'm not saying he can't do it. Moffatt didn't do it either, until he did. So RTD could. So MY wishes? RTD takes a less "must write it all myself apart from one or two others" approach, and genuinely builds a stable of great writers who can hold it all together through his lead and continuity editing. Yes, it would be good to see him in a mentoring roll for future writers & showrunners to take things forward after he goes.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 29, 2021 14:11:24 GMT
Yeah, RTD is brilliant at emotional, character-oriented writing... but definitely pretty weak when it comes to big SF plots. Playing to his strengths would make for a more subdued special... which I would adore, but I think we can all agree it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 29, 2021 14:20:08 GMT
Yeah, RTD is brilliant at emotional, character-oriented writing... but definitely pretty weak when it comes to big SF plots. Playing to his strengths would make for a more subdued special... which I would adore, but I think we can all agree it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens. A strong character based multi Doctor special would be a good compromise between subdued and spectacle.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 29, 2021 14:26:48 GMT
It's a difficult thing to do with a new Doctor, though. That's part of why I like the idea of not using the Doctor as a POV character. We could get a more character-focused piece on a human lead, with multiple Doctors playing supporting characters in that story.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 29, 2021 14:36:02 GMT
It's a difficult thing to do with a new Doctor, though. That's part of why I like the idea of not using the Doctor as a POV character. We could get a more character-focused piece on a human lead, with multiple Doctors playing supporting characters in that story. interesting idea!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 29, 2021 17:24:24 GMT
It's a difficult thing to do with a new Doctor, though. That's part of why I like the idea of not using the Doctor as a POV character. We could get a more character-focused piece on a human lead, with multiple Doctors playing supporting characters in that story. Well, maybe we DO get this multi-companion story with only Doctor cameos?
Or maybe they finally give us that one story everybody has been wondering about- what if nobody knew who the new Doctor is? Just do a story, present a lot of people, have tons of red herrings, and only at the very end, the new Doctor is revealed.
I would like both.
I do not really believe this will happen, but hope is the last to die.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 1, 2021 13:14:45 GMT
If it is a multi Doctor special and Capaldi comes back, 12’s entrance should be something that one ups the tank scene from “Magician’s Apprentice”. What about 12 playing the electric guitar while riding the back of a dragon with Clara or something? No explanation either😁
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 1, 2021 13:26:06 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think a multi-companion episode would be great for a new Doctor. She has to travel across time bumping into previous companions or catching up with them now to help resolve whatever huge world/universe ending thing RTD will inevitably use.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 1, 2021 14:37:56 GMT
It's a difficult thing to do with a new Doctor, though. That's part of why I like the idea of not using the Doctor as a POV character. We could get a more character-focused piece on a human lead, with multiple Doctors playing supporting characters in that story. Well, maybe we DO get this multi-companion story with only Doctor cameos?
Or maybe they finally give us that one story everybody has been wondering about- what if nobody knew who the new Doctor is? Just do a story, present a lot of people, have tons of red herrings, and only at the very end, the new Doctor is revealed.
I would like both.
I do not really believe this will happen, but hope is the last to die.
Oh, shit, man--you just gave you an opportunity to harp on about one of my favorite authors! So the thing that makes Maurice LeBlanc so awesome is --> [Redacted]
<-- is why I'm not as fond of the novels as the earlier short stories, but one thing he does with them that's really interesting (and perhaps symptomic of him, like his contemporary Arthur Conan Doyle, tiring of his famous hero) is that they're essentially totally unrelated adventure stories. Only, at the end, there'd be a big twist (one of which is delightfully, insanely big, but I won't spoil it) wherein it's revealed that one of the characters was, in fact, Arsene Lupin the whole time! Or, instead, Arsene swoops in from out of nowhere for the climax and solves all the insurmountable problems. And ends up working surprisingly well! And it's able to work with Arsene for much the same reason that it would work with the Doctor--as both possess the crucial, critical superpower of having extremely malleable, changeable faces/physiques. TL;DR Y'all should read some Lupin stories because it will make me very happy.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 2, 2021 10:07:22 GMT
It would be nice if the could get Susan in this. Even if it only Carole Ann Ford doing a voiceover.
Although I do keep imagining a young Susan travelling in Time & Space with her three Grandfathers (played by Peter, Colin and Sylvester as they are now)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 2, 2021 10:22:38 GMT
I think we should get some animations in the lead up. First Doctor voiced by John Guillor (or David Bradley if we must). War Doctor by Johnathan Corley. Eighth voiced by McGann. At the very least.
Certainly a new first Doctor story, even if we recast everyone (and I mean everyone, not even keeping Bradley) so we get a live action. Tie it into the special. Maybe animation of Daleks’ Masterplan and/or Marco Polo.
Special wise - two words kids….. Sutekh’s Revenge.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 2, 2021 15:58:12 GMT
It would be nice if the could get Susan in this. Even if it only Carole Ann Ford doing a voiceover. Although I do keep imagining a young Susan travelling in Time & Space with her three Grandfathers (played by Peter, Colin and Sylvester as they are now) Susan might be an alternative way to celebrate the 60th without bringing in mutliple Doctors again. The return of the first “companion.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 17:47:13 GMT
Susan might be an alternative way to celebrate the 60th without bringing in mutliple Doctors again. The return of the first “companion.” But what if the pre-Hartnell Doctors had companions? Susan wouldn't be the first then, would she?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 2, 2021 17:56:18 GMT
Susan might be an alternative way to celebrate the 60th without bringing in mutliple Doctors again. The return of the first “companion.” But what if the pre-Hartnell Doctors had companions? Susan wouldn't be the first then, would she?
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 3, 2021 0:28:14 GMT
Susan might be an alternative way to celebrate the 60th without bringing in mutliple Doctors again. The return of the first “companion.” But what if the pre-Hartnell Doctors had companions? Susan wouldn't be the first then, would she? At the risk of being a typical Doctor Who fan and responding far too seriously ( )... Susan (and Ian and Barbara) are the first companions the same way Hartnell is still the first Doctor (and Eccleston was still the ninth after the War Doctor, etc, etc). The real world is different from the fictional world and a retcon "in-universe" doesn't erase the actual people's legacy. Delgado will always be the first actor to play the Master, even though we could reasonably assume (insane efforts by several Wilderness Years publications to suggest otherwise aside...) he was not the first incarnation after Deadly Assassin has the Master on his final regeneration. That's part of why I don't think the Timeless Child (or the Morbius Doctors or the deleted lines in Power of the Daleks) erase Hartnell's legacy. He's still the First Doctor to us, the one who started the show. The fact that the Doctor as a fictional character has a longer, hidden, history does nothing to change that. Susan might not literally be the first companion ( Fugitive shows she isn't and I'm sure we'll get more Jo Martin companions when her "era" gets expanded on), but Carole Ann Ford is one of the first companions regardless of retcons.
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 3, 2021 0:34:51 GMT
But what if the pre-Hartnell Doctors had companions? Susan wouldn't be the first then, would she? At the risk of being a typical Doctor Who fan and responding far too seriously ( )... Susan (and Ian and Barbara) are the first companions the same way Hartnell is still the first Doctor (and Eccleston was still the ninth after the War Doctor, etc, etc). The real world is different from the fictional world and a retcon "in-universe" doesn't erase the actual people's legacy. Delgado will always be the first actor to play the Master, even though we could reasonably assume (insane efforts by several Wilderness Years publications to suggest otherwise aside...) he was not the first incarnation after Deadly Assassin has the Master on his final regeneration. That's part of why I don't think the Timeless Child (or the Morbius Doctors or the deleted lines in Power of the Daleks) erase Hartnell's legacy. He's still the First Doctor to us, the one who started the show. The fact that the Doctor as a fictional character has a longer, hidden, history does nothing to change that. Susan might not literally be the first companion ( Fugitive shows she isn't and I'm sure we'll get more Jo Martin companions when her "era" gets expanded on), but Carole Ann Ford is one of the first companions regardless of retcons. Thank you for expressing something I've been failing to express to so many people for the last year and a half! I may actually direct some people I know to this post so they can finally understand what I've been trying to say (Although some of them simply refuse to have an open mind about anything, so it'll probably still be a waste of time...)
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