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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 1:49:04 GMT
The Atlantis example cracks a smile for me because there's a real world precedent for the overlap. We're familiar with London, England, but there's also London, Ontario... London, Ohio... London, California... London, Kentucky... The decision to retroactively make it three (at last count) possible Atlantises is an, ironically, rather realistic approach. I'm kind of surprised after all these years we haven't had a "The Doctor and Plato go to Atlantis" story, as it's mentioned in The Republic as a hostile naval force besieging Athens. There's something to be made of that... Well, that's something a bit different surely? We know that the "real" Atlantis (*cough*) was a rather huge landmass covering much of the Atlantic ocean in most re-tellings - including the Who ones. I'm guessing it wasn't intended to be 3 separate huge land masses with the same name, like the London example. Interesting notion though - there must be examples of Who stories set in separate places with the same name. We've had York, New York and New, New, New, New, New, New, New, New York which is another type of example again, I suppose! Ah, that's where we get into the "when" of it. We may not have necessarily had the same landmasses at the same time. The Atlantis of The Time Monster, for instance, had power over Time used for agricultural purposes, so it's not impossible that they became a Brigadoon of sorts. The retellings also assume the island was native to Earth. A permanent fixture of the planet. That may not necessarily be true... It's interesting to speculate. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 8:23:50 GMT
There is a big difference between a companion on the same day vs a plot. Exactly what the others are forgetting is that Mary Shelly was a companion and had a huge influence on The 8th Doctors era Interesting assertation - the Mary Shelley stories are, I believe, set before Storm Warning, as he references early in that run that he has travelled with Mary. Aside from that passing mention, what would you say the main influence of these stories on the 8th Doctors era were? It may be that after listening to Big Finish since Sirens of Time was released on cassette, I have indeed forgotten something as, while I remember Mary as a companion, and re-listened to these stories just last year, I cannot think of any way in which they had any impact on the 8th Doctor. Another case of a reset button batch of stories I felt, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. |
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 4, 2021 9:29:35 GMT
Exactly what the others are forgetting is that Mary Shelly was a companion and had a huge influence on The 8th Doctors era Interesting assertation - the Mary Shelley stories are, I believe, set before Storm Warning, as he references early in that run that he has travelled with Mary. Aside from that passing mention, what would you say the main influence of these stories on the 8th Doctors era were? It may be that after listening to Big Finish since Sirens of Time was released on cassette, I have indeed forgotten something as, while I remember Mary as a companion, and re-listened to these stories just last year, I cannot think of any way in which they had any impact on the 8th Doctor. Another case of a reset button batch of stories I felt, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. I was thinking since The TV Movie had so many parallels and references to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein there seems to be quite an impact on The 8th Doctors tenure
Plus yes the references to Mary Shelly in Storm Warning and many stories including The Beast of Orlok, Sisters of The Flame/Vengeance of Morbius (given its a sequel to Brain of Morbius which itself was a pastiche of Frankenstein), The DWM Comic Strip Tooth and Claw all deals with the themes of Mary Shelly's work
i guess also Mary's Story is such a big deal is that it finally merges The Books, Comics and Audios into One Timeline as The Injured 8th Doctor mentions the companions from those stories (in many ways its Night of The Doctor before Night of The Doctor)
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 4, 2021 10:57:42 GMT
Interesting assertation - the Mary Shelley stories are, I believe, set before Storm Warning, as he references early in that run that he has travelled with Mary. Aside from that passing mention, what would you say the main influence of these stories on the 8th Doctors era were? It may be that after listening to Big Finish since Sirens of Time was released on cassette, I have indeed forgotten something as, while I remember Mary as a companion, and re-listened to these stories just last year, I cannot think of any way in which they had any impact on the 8th Doctor. Another case of a reset button batch of stories I felt, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. I was thinking since The TV Movie had so many parallels and references to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein there seems to be quite an impact on The 8th Doctors tenure
Plus yes the references to Mary Shelly in Storm Warning and many stories including The Beast of Orlok, Sisters of The Flame/Vengeance of Morbius (given its a sequel to Brain of Morbius which itself was a pastiche of Frankenstein), The DWM Comic Strip Tooth and Claw all deals with the themes of Mary Shelly's work
i guess also Mary's Story is such a big deal is that it finally merges The Books, Comics and Audios into One Timeline as The Injured 8th Doctor mentions the companions from those stories (in many ways its Night of The Doctor before Night of The Doctor)
But that's two seperate topics: Mary Shelley the real author, and Mary Shelley the character in Doctor Who, who again, appears well after both the TV movie and BF's first two runs of 8. Citing the actual person as an influence on the character's inception is a completely different question from saying 'Mary's Story is this game changing titan in Who'. They aren't one and the same.
Although, to another point, Brain of Morbius is more influenced by Hammer and Universal's takes because of the body snatching-stiching and mad scientist trope, neither of which are in Shelley's original story (Victor isn't a doctor, he's a failed med student, a drop out, and how the monster is created isn't explained but is implied to be along the lines of alchemy, not surgery).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:30:21 GMT
Interesting assertation - the Mary Shelley stories are, I believe, set before Storm Warning, as he references early in that run that he has travelled with Mary. Aside from that passing mention, what would you say the main influence of these stories on the 8th Doctors era were? It may be that after listening to Big Finish since Sirens of Time was released on cassette, I have indeed forgotten something as, while I remember Mary as a companion, and re-listened to these stories just last year, I cannot think of any way in which they had any impact on the 8th Doctor. Another case of a reset button batch of stories I felt, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. I was thinking since The TV Movie had so many parallels and references to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein there seems to be quite an impact on The 8th Doctors tenure
Plus yes the references to Mary Shelly in Storm Warning and many stories including The Beast of Orlok, Sisters of The Flame/Vengeance of Morbius (given its a sequel to Brain of Morbius which itself was a pastiche of Frankenstein), The DWM Comic Strip Tooth and Claw all deals with the themes of Mary Shelly's work
i guess also Mary's Story is such a big deal is that it finally merges The Books, Comics and Audios into One Timeline as The Injured 8th Doctor mentions the companions from those stories (in many ways its Night of The Doctor before Night of The Doctor)
Ah OK, I see where you're coming from now. I personally think referencing it in "Villa" would have been unnecessary, beyond the sort of hero worship references we did get, otherwise you start to get in danger of breaking the fourth wall. It's fine for the regeneration in the TV movie to mirror hammer horror, but the reference was too overblown then ("it's alive"!!!!!!), and going back and re-referencing it would be overkill. |
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