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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 26, 2021 8:32:10 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Nov 26, 2021 17:03:46 GMT
UNIT Nemesis just got Promoted by the official BBC DW Socials let the confused comments roll from the TV only crowd roll
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 26, 2021 17:13:59 GMT
let the confused comments roll from the TV only crowd roll What channel is it on? I hate Chibnall. Sorry, not interested till they're animated. Random person's name. This should be free, we pay our licence fee - they try and sell us DVDs too! There should be a Paul McGann tv series. I don't understand, is this an official thing? Quick, somebody tell Jason Haigh-Ellery about this, I'm boycotting all BF audios till that evil Nick Briggs monster stops recasting all the characters without anybody else at Big Finish knowing.
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Post by Chakoteya on Nov 28, 2021 11:40:21 GMT
Ahead of tonight's broadcast, I'd like to share the Radio Times' puff piece for it by David Brown under the heading Sunday Choices... (for those who have not already seen it)
" There was a worrying moment the other week when the enigmatic Awsok told the Doctor the Flux came into being because of her. It's concerning for the Doctor because she might end up being the cause of the universe's destruction, but for us, too, because it means the plotline is once again being cluttered with secrets about her history. What happened to the idea of the Doctor being a hero who breezes in, rights wrongs and leaves? Why must she now have some great destiny to face, as though she's the Time Lord equivalent of Harry Potter? Tonight's penultimate chapter is Survivors of the Flux, so expect the forces of evil to amass and, maybe, impart further revelations. "
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2021 12:33:41 GMT
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 28, 2021 12:40:39 GMT
I guess Osgood is back too maybe?
I don’t really know what else there could be as a unit related treat/surprise short of some 70s UNIT characters showing up which seems less likely.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 18:25:29 GMT
This is it!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 28, 2021 19:22:29 GMT
Hang on, maybe I wasn't watching carefully enough, but when the credits zoomed past did I see a credit for {Spoiler}Somebody *Lethbridge-Stewart* towards the bottom? Was there somebody in it other than Kate Stewart?
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2021 19:28:28 GMT
Hang on, maybe I wasn't watching carefully enough, but when the credits zoomed past did I see a credit for {Spoiler}Somebody *Lethbridge-Stewart* towards the bottom? Was there somebody in it other than Kate Stewart? Radio Times reckons the “new corporal” that was mention being hired is the Brig.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 19:31:28 GMT
Hang on, maybe I wasn't watching carefully enough, but when the credits zoomed past did I see a credit for {Spoiler}Somebody *Lethbridge-Stewart* towards the bottom? Was there somebody in it other than Kate Stewart? I saw it too. In fact...
{Spoiler} I could have sworn it said Alistair Lethbridge Stewart played by Nicholas Courtney. Maybe I was just seeing things.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 28, 2021 19:33:45 GMT
Yeah, Twitter is blowing up. Either it's a plot point or {Spoiler}Chibnall & co are so dumb they don't know the difference between a corporal and a colonel.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 28, 2021 19:48:59 GMT
Oh Chibbers how you tick the viewer off in the name of entertainment is a wonder.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2021 19:50:07 GMT
So erm what was that. A repeat of The Halloween Apocalypse in that it’s a series of loosely connected events with little context. But right near the end of the series?!
-Great cliffhanger of last weekend undone in a second, then repeated a minute later. Diminished returns.
-The Grand Serpent takes a tour through UNIT’s history (breaking UNIT dating even further whilst he’s at it) but why?! We’re given no context for this, no sign of his motivation. And then he shuts down UNIT in 2017 only for it to exist again in 2021!? It’s compelling on surface level of classic Doctor Who villain doing sadistic things, but nothing beyond that. Why is he doing this, what is his stake in things, who is he as a character?!
-Tecteun (because of course that was her) reveals the Division is...well just Super CIA I think. But if the Division existed on such a scale, why did it do such a terrible job protecting Gallifrey from the Time War and the Master?! And the organisation has decided to wipe out the universe because the Doctor might expose it, rather than just doing anything about her. But recent events have proven how easy to was for them to deal with her.
-So the Doctor’s motivations for gunning for the Division isn’t the theft of her memories, or the abuse she suffered to create regeneration but because of Tecteun originally finding her possibly maybe depriving her of her original life. Seriously!?
-Yaz and co tour the world cos Chibnall seems to love these goddamn location subtitles (please RTD, bin them for good). They achieve nothing on this quest till Williamson shows up. The hermit scene was embarrassing. And why were people trying to kill them? Were they working for the Grand Serpent? How does he even know they exist let alone want them dead?!
-The Williamson Tunnels leading across history is a lovely idea. Shame it’s gonna get almost no time to be explored cos we just had to have this pointless globe trotting quest first.
-Vinder met Diane. Good for them.
-Karvanista met Bel. Good for them. But why couldn’t he hijack the ship leaving the barrier the same way he could hers? And why was that ship leaving?
On a surface level this was okay, but it’s so lacking character contest and spends time on such a redundant quest line that I’m just baffled.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 28, 2021 19:56:54 GMT
Like a couple of previous chapters, it’s very hard to judge it on its own right. We’re now at the point where it’s so dense we spent the full episode either doing recap after recap - often done via some heavy exposition - or advancing the story by 30 seconds before jumping into another stream.
Having said all that, it’s absolutely bonkers and I’m loving the journey. I just don’t see it getting wrapped up successfully next week. Even if it carries over to New Year’s, as the TARDIS image potentially implies.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 28, 2021 20:00:41 GMT
So erm what was that. A repeat of The Halloween Apocalypse in that it’s a series of loosely connected events with little context. But right near the end of the series?! -Great cliffhanger of last weekend undone in a second, then repeated a minute later. Diminished returns. -The Grand Serpent takes a tour through UNIT’s history (breaking UNIT dating even further whilst he’s at it) but why?! We’re given no context for this, no sign of his motivation. And then he shuts down UNIT in 2017 only for it to exist again in 2021!? It’s compelling on surface level of classic Doctor Who villain doing sadistic things, but nothing beyond that. Why is he doing this, what is his stake in things, who is he as a character?! -Tecteun (because of course that was her) reveals the Division is...well just Super CIA I think. But if the Division existed on such a scale, why did it do such a terrible job protecting Gallifrey from the Time War and the Master?! And the organisation has decided to wipe out the universe because the Doctor might expose it, rather than just doing anything about her. But recent events have proven how easy to was for them to deal with her. -So the Doctor’s motivations for gunning for the Division isn’t the theft of her memories, or the abuse she suffered to create regeneration but because of Tecteun originally finding her possibly maybe depriving her of her original life. Seriously!? -Yaz and co tour the world cos Chibnall seems to love these goddamn location subtitles (please RTD, bin them for good). They achieve nothing on this quest till Williamson shows up. The hermit scene was embarrassing. And why were people trying to kill them? Were they working for the Grand Serpent? How does he even know they exist let alone want them dead?! -The Williamson Tunnels leading across history is a lovely idea. Shame it’s gonna get almost no time to be explored cos we just had to have this pointless globe trotting quest first. -Vinder met Diane. Good for them. -Karvanista met Bel. Good for them. But why couldn’t he hijack the ship leaving the barrier the same way he could hers? And why was that ship leaving? On a surface level this was okay, but it’s so lacking character contest and spends time on such a redundant quest line that I’m just baffled. In complete agreement . Companion stuff very good, the rest of it the guest cast and Jodie doing their best with a absolute mess. Regards mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2021 20:20:18 GMT
So erm what was that. A repeat of The Halloween Apocalypse in that it’s a series of loosely connected events with little context. But right near the end of the series?! -Great cliffhanger of last weekend undone in a second, then repeated a minute later. Diminished returns. -Tecteun (because of course that was her) reveals the Division is...well just Super CIA I think. But if the Division existed on such a scale, why did it do such a terrible job protecting Gallifrey from the Time War and the Master?! And the organisation has decided to wipe out the universe because the Doctor might expose it, rather than just doing anything about her. But recent events have proven how easy to was for them to deal with her. -So the Doctor’s motivations for gunning for the Division isn’t the theft of her memories, or the abuse she suffered to create regeneration but because of Tecteun originally finding her possibly maybe depriving her of her original life. Seriously!? On a surface level this was okay, but it’s so lacking character contest and spends time on such a redundant quest line that I’m just baffled. I'm dicey on this episode too for a few reasons, but I do have responses to these points:
- Was it really undone? She wasn't able to escape from them and the Angels did make it clear they were transport last time. Plus the episode does say that was strictly metaphysical - she didn't get actually loose until she got on Tecteun's base.
- I think the episode makes it pretty clear Tecteun has no affection for Gallifrey or the Time Lords, so why would she try to protect it or stop the Master or Time War? If anything, they help her. (i have issues with Tecteun in this story, but this isn't one of them)
- The episode literally spells out it that the first reason is a big reason why, if not intertwined with 3, and why would 'her original life' be a silly reason anyway? Her 'actual' identity got literally and figuratively taken, why wouldn't that upset her a lot? Considering the Doctor's always been big on family, of course she would hate losing her real one.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 28, 2021 20:31:41 GMT
So erm what was that. A repeat of The Halloween Apocalypse in that it’s a series of loosely connected events with little context. But right near the end of the series?! -Great cliffhanger of last weekend undone in a second, then repeated a minute later. Diminished returns. -Tecteun (because of course that was her) reveals the Division is...well just Super CIA I think. But if the Division existed on such a scale, why did it do such a terrible job protecting Gallifrey from the Time War and the Master?! And the organisation has decided to wipe out the universe because the Doctor might expose it, rather than just doing anything about her. But recent events have proven how easy to was for them to deal with her. -So the Doctor’s motivations for gunning for the Division isn’t the theft of her memories, or the abuse she suffered to create regeneration but because of Tecteun originally finding her possibly maybe depriving her of her original life. Seriously!? On a surface level this was okay, but it’s so lacking character contest and spends time on such a redundant quest line that I’m just baffled. I'm dicey on this episode too for a few reasons, but I do have responses to these points:
- Was it really undone? She wasn't able to escape from them and the Angels did make it clear they were transport last time. Plus the episode does say that was strictly metaphysical - she didn't get actually loose until she got on Tecteun's base.
- I think the episode makes it pretty clear Tecteun has no affection for Gallifrey or the Time Lords, so why would she try to protect it or stop the Master or Time War? If anything, they help her. (i have issues with Tecteun in this story, but this isn't one of them)
- The episode literally spells out it that the first reason is a big reason why, if not intertwined with 3, and why would 'her original life' be a silly reason anyway? Her 'actual' identity got literally and figuratively taken, why wouldn't that upset her a lot? Considering the Doctor's always been big on family, of course she would hate losing her real one.
Speaking for myself I don't care, its going about trying to make the entire history of the show meaningless, And you've still got the contradiction of a Pre Hartnell version out there in an OG version TARDIS, Regards mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2021 20:32:43 GMT
So, I think it's a better version of HA or Once, the best balanced, but there are little things here and there that I do think speak to deeper problems. I'm starting to wonder if the 10 ep version of this might not have been a better vessel.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2021 20:35:01 GMT
So erm what was that. A repeat of The Halloween Apocalypse in that it’s a series of loosely connected events with little context. But right near the end of the series?! -Great cliffhanger of last weekend undone in a second, then repeated a minute later. Diminished returns. -Tecteun (because of course that was her) reveals the Division is...well just Super CIA I think. But if the Division existed on such a scale, why did it do such a terrible job protecting Gallifrey from the Time War and the Master?! And the organisation has decided to wipe out the universe because the Doctor might expose it, rather than just doing anything about her. But recent events have proven how easy to was for them to deal with her. -So the Doctor’s motivations for gunning for the Division isn’t the theft of her memories, or the abuse she suffered to create regeneration but because of Tecteun originally finding her possibly maybe depriving her of her original life. Seriously!? On a surface level this was okay, but it’s so lacking character contest and spends time on such a redundant quest line that I’m just baffled. I'm dicey on this episode too for a few reasons, but I do have responses to these points:
- Was it really undone? She wasn't able to escape from them and the Angels did make it clear they were transport last time. Plus the episode does say that was strictly metaphysical - she didn't get actually loose until she got on Tecteun's base.
- I think the episode makes it pretty clear Tecteun has no affection for Gallifrey or the Time Lords, so why would she try to protect it or stop the Master or Time War? If anything, they help her. (i have issues with Tecteun in this story, but this isn't one of them)
- The episode literally spells out it that the first reason is a big reason why, if not intertwined with 3, and why would 'her original life' be a silly reason anyway? Her 'actual' identity got literally and figuratively taken, why wouldn't that upset her a lot? Considering the Doctor's always been big on family, of course she would hate losing her real one.
Well with the third point, my problem is the Doctor is speaking in pure hypotheticals. She doesn’t know there was a family at all there, she doesn’t know any of the context for Tecteun finding her. So she’s accusing Tecteun based on nothing, just a suspicion she might, possibly, have had a hypothetical “original life” to be stolen. Why has she latched onto that as opposed to the more black and white crimes she knows that Tecteun did commit against her; the experimentation and memory wiping. I didn’t get the same sense about Tecteun’s relationship to Gallifrey. She acknowledges the Division started there, and that’s about it. Why would a Founder of Gallifrey discard it? If the Division wasn’t altering the cosmos for Gallifrey’s benefit, whose benefit were they serving?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2021 20:38:39 GMT
- The episode literally spells out it that the first reason is a big reason why, if not intertwined with 3, and why would 'her original life' be a silly reason anyway? Her 'actual' identity got literally and figuratively taken, why wouldn't that upset her a lot? Considering the Doctor's always been big on family, of course she would hate losing her real one.
Speaking for myself I don't care, its going about trying to make the entire history of the show meaningless, And you've still got the contradiction of a Pre Hartnell version out there in an OG version TARDIS, Regards mark687 I'm not sure how that's a response to that point - sherlock said the family thing was silly, as a character motivation, and I disagreed. If you were talking broadly, then why highlight it?
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