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Post by grinch on Nov 28, 2021 20:41:26 GMT
To be honest (and you can call me what you like) but I think I’m done with Flux and Doctor Who going forward. At least on television. Lord only knows how this will affect future Big Finish releases.
All the best to those who are enjoying it but this vision of the show just isn’t for me.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2021 20:44:17 GMT
To be honest (and you can call me what you like) but I think I’m done with Flux and Doctor Who going forward. At least on television. Lord only knows how this will affect future Big Finish releases. All the best to those who are enjoying it but this vision of the show just isn’t for me. Well, 4 episodes left and then it's RTD so you don't have to wait long till you may get something more up your lane.
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Post by stcoop on Nov 28, 2021 20:46:40 GMT
People who worry about UNIT dating must be having a meltdown tonight.
I've never read any of the Lethbridge-Stewart novels but I guess they've all been buggered as well.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2021 20:47:03 GMT
People who worry about UNIT dating must be having a meltdown tonight. Oh UNIT continuity is in ruins but that’s nothing new.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 28, 2021 20:49:52 GMT
Speaking for myself I don't care, its going about trying to make the entire history of the show meaningless, And you've still got the contradiction of a Pre Hartnell version out there in an OG version TARDIS, Regards mark687 I'm not sure how that's a response to that point - sherlock said the family thing was silly, as a character motivation, and I disagreed. If you were talking broadly, then why highlight it? Apologies if it came across harsh. My point to your specifics is personally I think the Doctor shouldn't even be wrestling with the choice. The loss of the universe they fought for versus the loss or denial of memories or life you didn't know you'd lost in the first place is a no contest thing they carry on fighting. Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 21:14:07 GMT
I don't think I like where " Flux" is going, but the episodes look really good and there's some really cool stuff in there. Just when you think, Hmmm ... this isn't actually bad, Chibnall then throws a grenade in to the mix and you go WTF?!!! It's almost like Chris Chibnall's idea of making his mark on Doctor Who is to piss off as many of the fans as he can before he leaves!!!
Next week will tell a lot.
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 28, 2021 21:16:13 GMT
To be honest (and you can call me what you like) but I think I’m done with Flux and Doctor Who going forward. At least on television. Lord only knows how this will affect future Big Finish releases. All the best to those who are enjoying it but this vision of the show just isn’t for me. If Big Finish was smart they would not touch any Timeless Children stuff in future audios
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Post by ollychops on Nov 28, 2021 21:18:59 GMT
Hmm... I have mixed feelings about that episode. A very mixed bag. I thought whilst the scenes with Thirteen and Tecteun were pretty good, they were also quite exposition-y and the way they just killed off Tecteun so quickly/easily reminded me of Ashad.
I'm not sure about Prentis being involved, given that we've already got Swarm and Azure, and we don't really know what their endgame is yet so... adding another villain into the mix seems like it has the potential to get messy. Also, I kinda want to know why he's zoning in on UNIT... other than Chibnall just wanting to include them?
The globe-trotting was... it was fun, sure. I liked that Yaz, Dan and Jericho got some good stuff to do but it was never explained who or why someone was trying to kill them and the globe-trotting stuff is a favourite of Chibnall's. It was fun in Resolution but now I roll my eyes whenever we start hopping from place to place in a single episode.
I have to admit, I do think Chibnall's humour has improved this series, but this episode in particular had some funny lines. So credit to him for that!
Also with Thirteen saying she can decode or whatever with the Flux, I'm expecting it to be a reset switch resolution in the finale...
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 28, 2021 21:19:54 GMT
I don't think I like where " Flux" is going, but the episodes look really good and there's some really cool stuff in there. Just when you think, Hmmm ... this isn't actually bad, Chibnall then throws a grenade in to the mix and you go WTF?!!! It's almost like Chris Chibnall's idea of marking his mark on Doctor Who is to piss off as many of the fans as he can before he leaves!!!
Next week will tell a lot.
Considering how he successfully fractured the fandom for good, consistently lost viewership & long term fans and even made the BBC desperate enough to get RTD back to save the sinking ship he has done a real bang up job
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Post by mark687 on Nov 28, 2021 21:21:29 GMT
To be honest (and you can call me what you like) but I think I’m done with Flux and Doctor Who going forward. At least on television. Lord only knows how this will affect future Big Finish releases. All the best to those who are enjoying it but this vision of the show just isn’t for me. If Big Finish was smart they would not touch any Timeless Children stuff in future audios One Limited series with Jo Martin at a push maybe but otherwise I agree. Regards mark687
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Post by muckypup on Nov 28, 2021 21:22:12 GMT
Canna say I care all that much for this show now…….. One mention of the multiverse had me tuning off…….
We will probably get doctors name, destroy the tardis and gallifrey is an alternative version of earth……..
Not sure if it improved later on in the episode but roll on RTD and a hopeful retcon………
Sure loads are enjoying it, but not for me…….
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Post by ollychops on Nov 28, 2021 21:28:08 GMT
If Big Finish was smart they would not touch any Timeless Children stuff in future audios One Limited series with Jo Martin at a push maybe but otherwise I agree. Regards mark687 I want a Jo Martin series but I feel like BF wouldn't be able to help themselves and would throw in recurring villains into the mix and spoil things. I'd want them to keep the Daleks and Cybermen far away from the Fugitive Doctor.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 28, 2021 21:38:06 GMT
I didn’t get the same sense about Tecteun’s relationship to Gallifrey. She acknowledges the Division started there, and that’s about it. Why would a Founder of Gallifrey discard it? If the Division wasn’t altering the cosmos for Gallifrey’s benefit, whose benefit were they serving? Isn't this just a power/rule-the-universe thing? People who worry about UNIT dating must be having a meltdown tonight. Oh UNIT continuity is in ruins but that’s nothing new. That at least is solvable: the Great Serpent simply changed history. Mind you, it took him a decade of manipulation to start UNIT; in the original history, Lethbridge-Stewart filed one report with the Scots Guards and had one meeting with Ian Gilmore, and bosh! International alien-fighting force at his fingertips. Mind you, the Great Serpent's UNIT has its own village and alien-detecting supercomputer. Lethbridge-Stewart's UNIT operated out of the back of somebody else's plane
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 21:38:11 GMT
If Big Finish was smart they would not touch any Timeless Children stuff in future audios Please No! But don't you know they'll be sorely tempted...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2021 21:47:57 GMT
I don't think I like where " Flux" is going, but the episodes look really good and there's some really cool stuff in there. Just when you think, Hmmm ... this isn't actually bad, Chibnall then throws a grenade in to the mix and you go WTF?!!! It's almost like Chris Chibnall's idea of marking his mark on Doctor Who is to piss off as many of the fans as he can before he leaves!!!
Next week will tell a lot.
Considering how he successfully fractured the fandom for good, consistently lost viewership & long term fans and even made the BBC desperate enough to get RTD back to save the sinking ship he has done a real bang up job 1 not being his fault (like sorry, did you not live the last four years and the systemic poisoning of fandoms by money-hungry grifters?), 2 being a lot of factors and 3 - fans have sounded the death knell so many times and never agreed on anything much, it's practically a meme of 'Evil Dan' proportions. People wanted Holmes' head in '75 for Deadly Assassin 'destroying the Time Lords' - hell, for the DVD they found a guy who was still mad, 40 years later and well after it had been canonized as a stone cold classic. It's not really a compelling argument.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 28, 2021 22:36:48 GMT
Absolutely superb stuff again for me. However this ends up I'm enjoying the ride.
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Post by muckypup on Nov 28, 2021 22:43:56 GMT
Absolutely superb stuff again for me. However this ends up I'm enjoying the ride. There’s always one……hehehe glad you like it……..I’m done with it……..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 3:17:01 GMT
Absolutely superb stuff again for me. However this ends up I'm enjoying the ride. As with every other ep this season, I absolutely loved it and I almost cannot believe that. It plays perfectly to Chibnalls talentss while he has had the chance to remove the issues of S11 and the already better S12. Not many eras are better season on season. McCoy, maybe Pat T. Even if next week is a total damp squib, the season has taken massive risks and major swings rather than play it safe and that will always be something I admire.There is a lot to fit in next week, but perhaps some aspects to be left for the specials too. It is kinda hard to believe we only have 4 episodes of Jodie's era left.
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Post by Star Platinum on Nov 29, 2021 4:34:44 GMT
Another enjoyable episode, Chibnall is on a roll this season.
The stuff with the division is finally coming into focus, and we get an affirmation on the timeless child situation.
The preview for next week looks interesting, and I’m wondering how Chibnall is going to tie everything up neatly for the finale.
As for big finish and the division/timeless children, I fully expect there are already discussions and plans in the making. But the nice thing about Big Finish is that they are wonderfully adept at smoothing the rough edges and integrating modern continuity into what came before.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 29, 2021 7:51:33 GMT
1 not being his fault (like sorry, did you not live the last four years and the systemic poisoning of fandoms by money-hungry grifters?), 2 being a lot of factors and 3 - fans have sounded the death knell so many times and never agreed on anything much, it's practically a meme of 'Evil Dan' proportions. People wanted Holmes' head in '75 for Deadly Assassin 'destroying the Time Lords' - hell, for the DVD they found a guy who was still mad, 40 years later and well after it had been canonized as a stone cold classic. It's not really a compelling argument. not his fault? lol he is the head producer and writer he should have considered that his “ideas” would cause a huge backlash in the fandom and lol blaming “‘money hungry grifters” for poisoning the fandom sounds like massive cope and gaslighting I'm sorry, Chibnall's job is not to placate a gigantic global fandom, which is an impossible task (as said, look at Holmes. Look at any era frankly - every single one has detractors and defenders, so good luck getting consensus with a community as big and fragmented as ours.) and is the most disingenuous mindset to media. His job is the same as every writer in this franchise - to tell the story he believes he can tell best - with that comes risks and that's inevitable. Look here alone - casuality, davy and star all said they liked it. You calling them fake fans? Do they not count all of a sudden, because they don't agree with you?
And I'm not taking up more space with the latter point. Just go to the 'Extremist Fans' thread for all the proof you need of how a cottage industry has invaded fandoms.
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