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Post by sherlock on Feb 20, 2022 20:50:48 GMT
IIRC in the TV show they describe Rassilon's resurrection as being something of a desperate move made near the end of the war. This places pretty much all of the GTW range at that far end, and GWR by extension. Granted, I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure I remember people discussing this timeline weirdness w/r/t GTW1. The "Stuck on Gallifrey with Rassilon" thing isn't a quote from the press release... its the premise for this set--specifically the Dalek invasion of Gallifrey we see DotD. And the trailer they released literally depicts Daleks invading Gallifrey, so I don't think this is much of a leap. I mean, sure, maybe I'm wrong and all four new GWR sets will just tread water, but it sure as hell seems to me like this series is intended to cover the end of the war. And given that after the events of DotD (up to the events of Hell Bent) the Time Lords are all still stuck with Rassilon on Gallifrey, it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that this series could move into the postwar era a bit, too. The TV series never goes that specific about Rassilon’s resurrection. Time War 1 had it two months into the war by Gallifrey’s POV and nothing really contradicts that. The press release has Challands explicitly point out the end of the fighting for Leels and the General has been portrayed elsewhere (in War Doctor and Day of the Doctor respectively), so this is almost certainly prior to both. Maybe it could move into the post-Time War era, but certainly not immediately.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 20, 2022 20:59:57 GMT
Oh, yeah, I wasn't expecting it to move out of the war immediately. My thought was more that this series could straddle the line a bit, covering both the end of the war and immediate post-war periods. With, like, a Gallifrey POV of the Battle of Archadia at the end of GWR3 or early bits of GWR4.
Mostly because I think that would be a more interesting direction to take the series than simply ending GWR with the Dalek invasion or--worse--before then, leaving the final days ambiguous.
Re: timeline placement... it is entirely possible my brain misremembered "end" as beginning. Look, I have that apology in my sog for a reason!
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Feb 20, 2022 21:08:58 GMT
Kind of confused on the timeline placement... safe to assume the first set, at least, takes place inside the pocket dimension created in 'Day of the Doctor' where basically all of the Dalek and Time Lord forces were sealed away? So, basically, an eternal war confined exclusively to the planet? There were no Dalek forces sealed away in that pocket dimension. Gallifrey was transported into a pocket dimension without the Daleks and the Dalek ships' weapons fire annihilated each other because the target in the middle of them was gone. There was no more war within the pocket dimension. The trailer is full of Dalek ships, so it must take place before they destroyed each other.
Also, the article says that it takes place before Casualties of War for Leela and before The Day of the Doctor for the General. And the synopsis makes it pretty clear that Leela is being sent out into the greater universe to fight on behalf of Gallifrey. And she mentions in the trailer that some of the Time Lords think only they should survive, which will lead into the plot in The End of Time.
This series fills in the remaining gap between Time War and what we saw on TV.
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Post by Digi on Feb 20, 2022 23:11:22 GMT
Ohhhhhhhhhh I missed this story! Hot damn, exciting!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 5:39:43 GMT
Another set of box sets that are still 4 episodes long.
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Post by pawntake on Feb 21, 2022 8:50:13 GMT
Pre-Order CD €29.95 BUY Pre-Order Digital €19.99 BUY
I think they have the pricing for the pre-order CD'S wrong this is euros should'nt that be 24.99?
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 22, 2022 13:13:24 GMT
Though which Rassilon might show up is a whole other question. Armitage following Time War 4, Dalton as a coup for Big Finish, a new incarnation or a mix? They could always bring in Don Warrington to play the Rassilon trapped in the Divergent Universe along with Armitage and and have a Rassilon vs. Rassilon episode
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Post by grinch on Feb 22, 2022 17:33:09 GMT
Though which Rassilon might show up is a whole other question. Armitage following Time War 4, Dalton as a coup for Big Finish, a new incarnation or a mix? They could always bring in Don Warrington to play the Rassilon trapped in the Divergent Universe along with Armitage and and have a Rassilon vs. Rassilon episode You could even do an Alternate Universe Rassilon who, although in his universe they won the war against the Daleks, regrets the role he played in the conflict and now only wants peace. Wouldn’t be completely out of nowhere considering they touched on the idea of a Multiverse in one of the Eighth Doctor Time War sets.
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Post by constonks on Feb 24, 2022 16:17:28 GMT
Re: the timeline discussion going on here - it's worth noting that by the time Leela is found in Casualties of War, it's implied she's been away from Gallifrey for a long time, so I think it's safe to say this is still early-to-mid Time War (if such simple terms can be applied!)
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 21, 2022 18:32:13 GMT
Re: the timeline discussion going on here - it's worth noting that by the time Leela is found in Casualties of War, it's implied she's been away from Gallifrey for a long time, so I think it's safe to say this is still early-to-mid Time War (if such simple terms can be applied!) It's all pretty relative. I think in general the ranges in sequence go something like War Master -> Gallifrey Time War / Susan's War / 8th Doctor Time War -> War Doctor Begins -> War Doctor, right? So War Room would probably best fit concurrently with either 8DTW or WDB.
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Post by constonks on Mar 21, 2022 19:17:56 GMT
Re: the timeline discussion going on here - it's worth noting that by the time Leela is found in Casualties of War, it's implied she's been away from Gallifrey for a long time, so I think it's safe to say this is still early-to-mid Time War (if such simple terms can be applied!) It's all pretty relative. I think in general the ranges in sequence go something like War Master -> Gallifrey Time War / Susan's War / 8th Doctor Time War -> War Doctor Begins -> War Doctor, right? So War Room would probably best fit concurrently with either 8DTW or WDB. Roughly. The War Master's timeline is made a little more complicated by the stretching out of the first boxset in the later ones (how long was he tending his garden on the Sky Man world, how long was he travelling with Cole, etc.) But as I said "such simple terms" as before, during and after are pretty subjective. But I'd wager a crossover between War Doctor Begins and War Room would happen eventually. Young Ollistra with/against the Young War Doctor seems too good to resist.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 21, 2022 19:36:55 GMT
Just going to take this opportunity to shamelessly promote my own work on organising the Time War materiel over on another thread: notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/4149/last-great-time-warGallifrey: Time War 4 did have some references seemingly pointing to the War Doctor, so I think it’s fair to say this War Room era will be contemporary of War Doc Begins (if such a concept is really valid in a Time War). I wouldn’t be surprised if a crossover of some sort happened, though the War Doctor himself likely can’t meet Leela to preserve Casualties of War.
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Post by pawntake on Apr 18, 2022 21:10:58 GMT
But! will anyone buy the bundle? Gallifrey: War Room 1: Allegiance AVAILABLE JULY 2022 Gallifrey: War Room 2 AVAILABLE JULY 2023 Gallifrey: War Room 3 AVAILABLE FEBRUARY 2024 Gallifrey: War Room 4 AVAILABLE FEBRUARY 2025
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 28, 2022 7:16:56 GMT
Not really sure why anyone ever buys bundles... the "discounts" are always so minuscule they may as well not exist.
EG the War Room 1-4 bundle costs $78 USD; buying each set individually costs $79.96. That's nothing.
Or do y'all get better prices in the UK or other regions?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 28, 2022 7:44:57 GMT
Not really sure why anyone ever buys bundles... the "discounts" are always so minuscule they may as well not exist. EG the War Room 1-4 bundle costs $78 USD; buying each set individually costs $79.96. That's nothing. Or do y'all get better prices in the UK or other regions? Only time I tend to do it is for simple convenience really, to save me making multiple payments if I’m certain I’ll buy the entire range anyway.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 28, 2022 7:54:36 GMT
Yeah, the bundles are an oddity really. There’s been a couple of great ones in the past - Main Range, Novel Adaptations and the full Dalek Universe bundle. The argument has always been in case the price goes up at some point, but my counter to that would be if you’re commissioning sets to be released in years to come, they’ve been budgeted accordingly, so anything up for pre-order shouldn't go up and any increased costs Big Finish should burden as part of their planning.
Then there’s the nonsense about prices going up a few months after release, which exists to look as though they’re on a substantial sale at a later date and to make the bundle seem more desirable.
If the sets were released in relatively quick succession, then they can be beneficial, such as the Ninth Doctor Adventures, but as noted above, it’s reliant on you knowing you want all of them.
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Post by pawntake on Apr 28, 2022 16:23:00 GMT
Not really sure why anyone ever buys bundles... the "discounts" are always so minuscule they may as well not exist. EG the War Room 1-4 bundle costs $78 USD; buying each set individually costs $79.96. That's nothing. Or do y'all get better prices in the UK or other regions? Its exactly the same in other regions,and the prices you have quoted are identical but just in a different currency.For example War Room bundle 1-4 78 euros individually 79.96 euros
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 28, 2022 17:12:29 GMT
In the UK there's quite a big saving - War Room as a download is £78 for the bundle and £79.96 individually (as the download prices are not calculated by currency conversion - this means regions where the currency is worth less than the pound sometimes get much better prices than over here). On CD though, the bundle costs £88 whereas individually it would be £99.96.
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Post by mark687 on May 18, 2022 15:02:36 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on May 18, 2022 15:22:07 GMT
This is becoming more Leela focused and driven than I initially thought. Was expecting it to be more of an ensemble and “hub” range, but we’ll see; I think the character is overused but I do like the War Room concept a lot.
The synopsis explains in universe why it’s the Pickles incarnation of Ollistra too. Reading between the lines, it’s quite a horrific thing to do, plucking a specific incarnation back, after the person has presumably died, and presumably because they’re the most appropriate for the task at hand! Suitably Gallifrey and suitably Time War.
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