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Post by grinch on Feb 24, 2022 10:01:55 GMT
I was honestly digging Stranded 1 and 2 a fair bit, but 3 just dragged me down as it just returned to the kind of storytelling that made up most of Ravenous (fine, but entirely forgettable). So I’m only really getting 4 out of obligation to see this saga through. I would like to see a shake up in the TARDIS team as Liv and Helen have had a really long run now. I’m not sure what else there is for them to do really. It would be nice for them to not die horribly though; poor Eight’s had enough of that sort of thing already. It would also help if they could stop teasing they’re going to write a member of the TARDIS crew out only to swerve and do something to someone who technically counts but isn’t Helen or Liv. Write them out or don’t, stop pretending you might. I would really like to move past the 16-part epic format. We’ve had four in a row now, a bit of a brake might be nice. Do a one-set storyline, or a duology or something. Just change it up. As for what’s this year. I’d hope one of the unannounced sets is a follow up to Time War 4 as that side of Eighth Doctor content seemed to have finally found its footing after three sets of mixed bags and had a whopper of a cliffhanger to tidy up. Though I do hope they move past Bliss at some point. No offence to Thakrar but Bliss has turned into the ultimate non-entity of a companion. I couldn’t really describe anything about her personality at a push and her hanging around is just giving Eight the precise kind of stability and normality he shouldn’t have in the Time War era. When it comes to Bliss, I almost wonder if her complete lack of a definable personality was a deliberate choice. With the Time War raging around her, her personality nay her entire backstory has become very malleable always changing as the universe distorts around her. With only the Doctor remaining fixed due to his status as a Time Lord. But then again, maybe I’m just pulling at straws here. And yeah, I very much agree Eight really shouldn’t be knocking about with a companion in a Time War. Especially a human one.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 24, 2022 12:29:29 GMT
Honestly I don’t really see why Eight shouldn’t have a companion during the War. He should be trying his best maintain normality tbh. The problem is that the 8TW series got the War Doctor leftovers so Eight is constantly doing missions for the Time Lords, which imo he shouldn’t be.
Eighth Doctor Time War content should barely feature the War. Like the War Master series. You know the War is going on in the background and it provides the context for a lot of stories, but everything pretty much takes place away from where the Daleks and Time Lords are operating more often than not. Eight should be keeping well away and have a mixture of stories that aren’t related to the War (probably earth based) and ones set on the edges of the War where he’s forced to deal with the aftermath of what the Daleks and Time Lords have left behind. Rather than this whole Mandalorian style “I’ll do this for you if you do a quest for me” stuff they’ve had going to justify having Eight in the thick of it.
Also, related to the other conversation going on, I think you could probably get away with having extra Liv/Helen stories during Ravenous 2 between Salzburg and Seizure. Ravenous 3 does imply that those two sets only happen over the space of a week but it’s super vague and wouldn’t be the most egregious retcon.
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Post by x2magneto on Feb 24, 2022 15:11:56 GMT
I think Stranded 4 will feature a visit from an old friend. Somebody else who has also been stranded! dun Dun DUN! You know who I'm talking about. Who I'm always talking about.
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Post by relativetime on Feb 24, 2022 16:00:05 GMT
To build off the discussion of the Time War sets, I think the best they’ve ever done with the Eighth Doctor in the Time War was Lies in Ruins and especially All Hands on Deck. Neither stories were in the box sets. Those are the only stories I feel where the weight of the Time War and the Eighth Doctor’s unpreparedness are truly, truly felt. I think the Time War sets are still sorely lacking moments like that.
As for the other ongoing sets, I’m afraid I’m still a bit behind since I’ve only listened up to Stranded 2. I don’t mind 16-part arcs, especially if they’re done well, but sometimes it can feel as though they’re stretched too thin. Doom Coalition is a great example of this for me. The last eight stories are amazing and some of the best Eighth Doctor stories period, but the first eight stories are a bit more mixed. If we’re moving to three stories per set in the future, I wouldn’t mind terribly much if they shortened the “seasons” to just 12 or 9 parts instead.
Another thing I’ve felt the range has been lacking for a long time are recurring characters specific to the Eighth Doctor sort of like we had in the Lucie Miller days. Stranded has felt more like that so far - again, I still need to catch up! - but if all these characters don’t ever show up, then we’re right back where we started.
Bringing in recurring characters from NuWho like River Song and the Curator is honestly beginning to feel a bit underwhelming at this point, so that’s another thing I think needs to change. I think it robs the Eighth Doctor’s range of its own identity in some ways. I don’t think it should never happen, but I think we need a good long break from them at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:43:40 GMT
Its a tricky one with Liv as you have Nicola Walker on board, and she is one of the major stars of UK TV. Primetime royalty at this point. For a US equivalent...I dunno...imagine telling Viola Davis you have nothing for her. Yet every character runs its course and this team have been as one for years and years now. It does feel like a fresh lineup would be cool.
There is also the Paul issue - he is..to put it mildly..one of the more insistent lead actors on who he works with and who he wont. If Paul wants Nicola and Hattie...he will probably be accomodated more than most bar Tennant. I wont breach the confidence of who told me what, but its a former member of the old board who some know, but there is a lot more to Paul nearly leaving BF behind than "he didnt like the DU arc very much". And some were not too fussed if he did leave. But that was over a decade back so..people change.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 24, 2022 19:08:30 GMT
Its a tricky one with Liv as you have Nicola Walker on board, and she is one of the major stars of UK TV. Primetime royalty at this point. For a US equivalent...I dunno...imagine telling Viola Davis you have nothing for her. Yet every character runs its course and this team have been as one for years and years now. It does feel like a fresh lineup would be cool. There is also the Paul issue - he is..to put it mildly..one of the more insistent lead actors on who he works with and who he wont. If Paul wants Nicola and Hattie...he will probably be accomodated more than most bar Tennant. I wont breach the confidence of who told me what, but its a former member of the old board who some know, but there is a lot more to Paul nearly leaving BF behind than "he didnt like the DU arc very much". And some were not too fussed if he did leave. But that was over a decade back so..people change. Interesting.....
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 24, 2022 19:36:01 GMT
Am I the only one who hasn't heard even 1 second of the "Stranded" series yet? This whole discussion even makes me more intrigued to hear it now.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 24, 2022 19:48:27 GMT
Am I the only one who hasn't heard even 1 second of the "Stranded" series yet? This whole discussion even makes me more intrigued to hear it now. I came to the conclusion that it is something of a marmite situation to be honest.... you either like it and go along with it, or you find it "meh".
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Post by sherlock on Mar 31, 2022 10:44:51 GMT
In this month’s DWM, David Richardson confirms Stranded will be mark the end of the 8th Doctor 16 part epics. As for the new adventures, he’s quoted-“There’s not huge ongoing arc covering them. There might be minor links between them - there might be character consequences - but generally they’re standalone stories. And I think the range will feel revived; it will feel like a brand-new start.”
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Post by mark687 on Mar 31, 2022 10:55:21 GMT
In this month’s DWM, David Richardson confirms Stranded will be mark the end of the 8th Doctor 16 part epics. As for the new adventures, he’s quoted-“There’s not huge ongoing arc covering them. There might be minor links between them - there might be character consequences - but generally they’re standalone stories. And I think the range will feel revived; it will feel like a brand-new start.” Was just going to say the same thing myself Wonder what that means for 8th Doc in the Time War? Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 31, 2022 11:00:41 GMT
In this month’s DWM, David Richardson confirms Stranded will be mark the end of the 8th Doctor 16 part epics. As for the new adventures, he’s quoted-“There’s not huge ongoing arc covering them. There might be minor links between them - there might be character consequences - but generally they’re standalone stories. And I think the range will feel revived; it will feel like a brand-new start.” Thank God the 16 part epic is over for now really excited for the stand-alone stories
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 31, 2022 17:42:06 GMT
I would really wish for some more creepy and atmospheric stories along the lines of Night Thoughts. There were some releases recently that sounded promising in that regard, but I was disappointed because they just went through the motions of the usual Who plot. Yes to non-epic non-16 parters and yes to some tight and haunting 1 hour stories.
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Post by grinch on Mar 31, 2022 19:26:52 GMT
To be honest, I’m pretty pleased they’re doing more stand alone stories. I almost wonder if it’s because they were slightly worried the Eighth Doctor range might have become rather impenetrable for those new listeners who haven’t given the likes of Dark Eyes or Doom Coalition a go.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 31, 2022 19:31:23 GMT
In this month’s DWM, David Richardson confirms Stranded will be mark the end of the 8th Doctor 16 part epics. As for the new adventures, he’s quoted-“There’s not huge ongoing arc covering them. There might be minor links between them - there might be character consequences - but generally they’re standalone stories. And I think the range will feel revived; it will feel like a brand-new start.” Was just going to say the same thing myself Wonder what that means for 8th Doc in the Time War? Regards mark687 Probably unaffected, as it wasn’t a big connected story previously. They’ll probably ditch the numbering and embrace the subtitles.
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Post by masterdoctor on Mar 31, 2022 19:59:48 GMT
Was just going to say the same thing myself Wonder what that means for 8th Doc in the Time War? Regards mark687 Probably unaffected, as it wasn’t a big connected story previously. They’ll probably ditch the numbering and embrace the subtitles. It could also just become a special release disconnected from the main sets every year.
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Post by constonks on Mar 31, 2022 20:03:03 GMT
In this month’s DWM, David Richardson confirms Stranded will be mark the end of the 8th Doctor 16 part epics. As for the new adventures, he’s quoted-“There’s not huge ongoing arc covering them. There might be minor links between them - there might be character consequences - but generally they’re standalone stories. And I think the range will feel revived; it will feel like a brand-new start.” Makes sense. We've had 64 episodes in the Dark Eyes style over ten years. The Eighth Doctor's Main Range tenure (up to Charley's departure) went for six years with 56 hours, while the single-disc Eighth Doctor Adventures went for four years with only 34 episodes. Definitely time to shake it up!
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Post by mark687 on Apr 10, 2022 9:56:11 GMT
So with the future apparently being something akin to being standalone boxsets just thinking what I would to see next:
1 8th Doctor Time War Boxset leading directly to Night of the Doctor (what Matt Fitton had in mind to start with)
Another Further Adventures of Lucie
8th Doc Solo
Possibly long term a new Male/Female Companion Team
Regards
mark687
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 10, 2022 10:04:48 GMT
If we are getting standalone stories, I do hope it bounces around the timeline of the Eighth Doctor, and we get really varied writing teams. I love Fitton and Dorney's work, but I'd love to see a lot of new hands to the Eighth Doctor to jump on in on the tales being told.
I would like a couple more Time War boxsets before a direct lead in to Night of the Doctor(which I would like) as I don't think that we've quite gotten there in the four sets yet. And the resolution to Time War 4 doesn't seem that it could be put in the same set as the last days of Eight.
I wouldn't mind this year to be a solo run for Eight, leading to a new companion next year. And some truly standalone stories, with no or one returning monster just like Fourth Doctor this year. And a new companion played by someone new/green to Big Finish would be quite cool, say LYDIA WEST(hint hint, wink wink)
And a further adventures of Lucie would be nice, though I hope it's a bit different to the approach from the first one, which felt like it was treading water a bit.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 10, 2022 10:41:41 GMT
A complete shake up of the production team is needed, I think. I’d like to get some more fresh talent, or at least talent that hasn’t really touched upon the Eighth Doctor. I’d actually really like the solo Eighth Doctor portrayed in The Truth of Peladon for a set, but I haven’t got any real preference except it should be a new TARDIS team. I suspect that Liv & Helen will now come under the “Further Adventures” sub-range amongst other past companions for Eight.
As for the Time War stuff, I think another shake up of the production team and something more akin to Lies of Ruins that pushes Eight closer towards The Night of the Doctor. I’m not desperate for a direct continuation of the Bliss storyline, as I found it quite meh overall.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 10, 2022 11:34:04 GMT
I don’t really want a new TARDIS team tbh. I just don’t want an endless cycle of companions for Eight while he doesn’t actually move any closer to his end. So I just prefer to keep at it with the ones we’ve already got. Carry on with how things ended in Stranded 4 and also go back and revisit older teams.
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