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Post by mark687 on Apr 6, 2022 14:53:48 GMT
Avoid Twitter if you want to come in in without knowing anything.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2022 15:19:24 GMT
Best Year EverI don’t think this was quite as risky as reputed. {Spoiler} Sure, sure mixing the real pandemic with fictional sci-fi might be considered playing with fire a bit, but this story sets out very clearly that the Doctor can’t intervene for sci-fi reasons so shuts down any debate there quite quickly. It doesn’t really explore much of the Doctor’s dilemma here, beyond him wanting to go sulk in the TARDIS.
Otherwise this is just a gentle reminisce about 2020. Remember people bulk buying toilet paper? Remember banana bread? Remember that clapping ritual we did once a week? They tease the characters maybe doing something with Divine Intervention, but we don’t hear any the takeover nor what they actually intend to do with the organisation. What even is it, a think tank?
Anyway it only took a global pandemic for Robin to become a tolerable member of human society.
In other news, they finally finally dare to shift the Eighth Doctor’s status quo a bit in bizarre fashion. The departure of Liv is very weirdly done. After nearly a decade of her travelling with the Doctor, they don’t really talk to each other cos this story is too busy doing a fakeout. I guess the point of the fakeout is just so in couple of years they can release “The Further Adventures of Liv & Helen”. As a result the Doctor and Liv don’t get any kind of final talk. Her staying with Tania fits perfectly don’t get me wrong but after such a long tenure it’s just bizarre Liv leaves with barely a word to the Doctor.
Overall this was just a gentle epilogue with a very weird choice of ending a companion’s time with the Doctor.
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 6, 2022 15:21:30 GMT
Best Year EverI don’t think this was quite as risky as reputed. {Spoiler} Sure, sure mixing the real pandemic with fictional sci-fi might be considered playing with fire a bit, but this story sets out very clearly that the Doctor can’t intervene for sci-fi reasons so shuts down any debate there quite quickly. It doesn’t really explore much of the Doctor’s dilemma here, beyond him wanting to go sulk in the TARDIS.
Otherwise this is just a gentle reminisce about 2020. Remember people bulk buying toilet paper? Remember banana bread? Remember that clapping ritual we did once a week? They tease the characters maybe doing something with Divine Intervention, but we don’t hear any the takeover nor what they actually intend to do with the organisation. What even is it, a think tank?
Anyway it only took a global pandemic for Robin to become a tolerable member of human society.
In other news, they finally finally dare to shift the Eighth Doctor’s status quo a bit in bizarre fashion. The departure of Liv is very weirdly done. After nearly a decade of her travelling with the Doctor, they don’t really talk to each other cos this story is too busy doing a fakeout. I guess the point of the fakeout is just so in couple of years they can release “The Further Adventures of Liv & Helen”. As a result the Doctor and Liv don’t get any kind of final talk. Her staying with Tania fits perfectly don’t get me wrong but after such a long tenure it’s just bizarre Liv leaves with barely a word to the Doctor.
Overall this was just a gentle epilogue with a very weird choice of ending a companion’s time with the Doctor. {Spoiler} I don't think this is the end of Liv and Helen with Eight after this ending, I fully suspect we will have there ongoing journey in the next two boxsets, with a Divine Intervention spinoff with Liv, Tania and Andy as The Robots winds down.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 6, 2022 15:41:09 GMT
Best Year EverI don’t think this was quite as risky as reputed. {Spoiler} Sure, sure mixing the real pandemic with fictional sci-fi might be considered playing with fire a bit, but this story sets out very clearly that the Doctor can’t intervene for sci-fi reasons so shuts down any debate there quite quickly. It doesn’t really explore much of the Doctor’s dilemma here, beyond him wanting to go sulk in the TARDIS.
Otherwise this is just a gentle reminisce about 2020. Remember people bulk buying toilet paper? Remember banana bread? Remember that clapping ritual we did once a week? They tease the characters maybe doing something with Divine Intervention, but we don’t hear any the takeover nor what they actually intend to do with the organisation. What even is it, a think tank?
Anyway it only took a global pandemic for Robin to become a tolerable member of human society.
In other news, they finally finally dare to shift the Eighth Doctor’s status quo a bit in bizarre fashion. The departure of Liv is very weirdly done. After nearly a decade of her travelling with the Doctor, they don’t really talk to each other cos this story is too busy doing a fakeout. I guess the point of the fakeout is just so in couple of years they can release “The Further Adventures of Liv & Helen”. As a result the Doctor and Liv don’t get any kind of final talk. Her staying with Tania fits perfectly don’t get me wrong but after such a long tenure it’s just bizarre Liv leaves with barely a word to the Doctor.
Overall this was just a gentle epilogue with a very weird choice of ending a companion’s time with the Doctor. {Spoiler} I don't think this is the end of Liv and Helen with Eight after this ending, I fully suspect we will have there ongoing journey in the next two boxsets, with a Divine Intervention spinoff with Liv, Tania and Andy as The Robots winds down. I really hope they wait at least a couple of years before BF even think of doing something like those Regards mark687
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2022 15:41:38 GMT
Best Year EverI don’t think this was quite as risky as reputed. {Spoiler} Sure, sure mixing the real pandemic with fictional sci-fi might be considered playing with fire a bit, but this story sets out very clearly that the Doctor can’t intervene for sci-fi reasons so shuts down any debate there quite quickly. It doesn’t really explore much of the Doctor’s dilemma here, beyond him wanting to go sulk in the TARDIS.
Otherwise this is just a gentle reminisce about 2020. Remember people bulk buying toilet paper? Remember banana bread? Remember that clapping ritual we did once a week? They tease the characters maybe doing something with Divine Intervention, but we don’t hear any the takeover nor what they actually intend to do with the organisation. What even is it, a think tank?
Anyway it only took a global pandemic for Robin to become a tolerable member of human society.
In other news, they finally finally dare to shift the Eighth Doctor’s status quo a bit in bizarre fashion. The departure of Liv is very weirdly done. After nearly a decade of her travelling with the Doctor, they don’t really talk to each other cos this story is too busy doing a fakeout. I guess the point of the fakeout is just so in couple of years they can release “The Further Adventures of Liv & Helen”. As a result the Doctor and Liv don’t get any kind of final talk. Her staying with Tania fits perfectly don’t get me wrong but after such a long tenure it’s just bizarre Liv leaves with barely a word to the Doctor.
Overall this was just a gentle epilogue with a very weird choice of ending a companion’s time with the Doctor. {Spoiler} I don't think this is the end of Liv and Helen with Eight after this ending, I fully suspect we will have there ongoing journey in the next two boxsets, with a Divine Intervention spinoff with Liv, Tania and Andy as The Robots winds down. {Spoiler} Well if the immediately next Eight sets are tied to the gap in this fakeout that blows the notion of them being standalone out of the water. “A new era for Eight…set between 57.00 and 58.00 of the ending of the last saga.”
A DI spin-off wouldn’t surprise me, though I doubt I’d buy it.
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Post by readyproductions on Apr 6, 2022 20:17:28 GMT
Just finished the whole boxset. Wow. Now that was GOOD stuff. Everyone's performance was brilliant and the writing was so weird yet so clever and unexpected. I can't wait for what comes next.
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Post by stcoop on Apr 6, 2022 20:56:58 GMT
If this was her last story I'm pretty sure it'd have been mentioned in the extras. They deliberately left a gap of unspecified length for her to do as many as she wants.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 6, 2022 21:17:16 GMT
I think it’s her last story in the sense that the ongoing Eighth Doctor stuff will continue without her, but will inevitably go back and give us some Further Adventures sets like Charley and Lucie.
But it’s certainly not the end of Liv at Big Finish. It’s only a matter of time before she starts cropping up in Torchwood, 9DAs, 11DCs, Lady Christina, UNIT, the complete works.
I also suspect that The Robots volume 6 will be set in that new gap and will feature the Doctor and Helen, with Liv returning to Kaldor to resolve the events there once and for all after her quick getaway in Escape from Kaldor. It’ll be interesting to see if Volume 5 does end with her leaving.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 6, 2022 21:49:17 GMT
So Helen is still travelling with the Doctor at the end?
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Post by mark687 on Apr 6, 2022 21:53:11 GMT
So Helen is still travelling with the Doctor at the end? Complicated as likely but not confirmed. Regards mark687
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 6, 2022 22:03:54 GMT
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 7, 2022 5:18:23 GMT
Okay, I loved this, but I'm gonna have to ask a littler spoilery question: {Spoiler} How the heck did things get solved in episode 3? How did everything come together and how come the Robin we're left with is the old Robin. What happened to the young Robin? Is this a changed version of the timeline where Robin never existed or just a complete factory reset without young Robin? I'm so confused
Also going to add how very confused I am as to why Zakia is on the front cover. Like, don't get me wrong, she's one of the more present, if not the most present, tertiary character in this box set, but it doesn't go anywhere. I don't think she plays a big enough role to have earned her place, especially when we could have put Mr. Bird or Robin on the cover, since they're very big and important characters. If Zakia joined as a companion like we all thought then it'd have been good, but it just kinda confuses me now. I'm not mad or anything, just really confused?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 6:40:31 GMT
What happened to "we are not set in the real 2020, I think we all need a respite from real world tragedies and its all too soon" when BF were asked if COVID would be part of the Stranded arc? Pretty pissed off, frankly, that this hit so close to home and worse, back to the really bad times of the pandemic. Timelord007 I would avoid this if you are feelin as down as you have been. Was kinda into this set until the set started this crap. So 2 years is how long to wait before exploitation of real life suffering from people. I look forward to the Ukraine invasion boxset in 2024. Will not dignify this with a review.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 7, 2022 8:35:41 GMT
The Keys of Baker Street{Spoiler} This was kinda weird. It’s so adrift. Once the Curator plays his hand everything plays out as you’d expect, but in a nice way.
As for the ending…oh they’re really going there. Well at least Robin can’t moan about not having his parents at home now (assuming they don’t throttle him for being so bloody irritating…god he would be the worst person to be in lockdown with). I know he's just so... I mean "You nearly caused History to End" "I know Bad but people still don't get ME"! I think even a trained Physiologist might find his Ego beyond help. Really irritating and predictable antagonist throughout the Arc Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Apr 7, 2022 8:38:48 GMT
Satisfactory combination of safe and brave to get to a fair enough conclusion
So BF say avoid Spoilers then focus on the last Ep in the series in the News Piece.
And its fine piece of Drama, 2020 for real, you could've done it as a one off piece of drama but it works as a farewell Coda.
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Should it have been Doctor Less possibly (can just about buy he doesn't know what happens in the the real 2020, but that now means no other Classic Doc stories can be set in that period), also the reason he can't activity help in the small ways [Food Parcels etc] because he couldn't stop himself trying to help in the big ways?)
Back to the fictional Objective
A predictable conclusion (I just wish our antagonist had matured some more.)
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 7, 2022 10:33:47 GMT
sounds like Big Finish have really dropped the ball on here with this. Doctor Who can deal with real issues & stuff but it is escapism i dont want reminding of what we have all been through and some people still going through you have made a mistake with this one
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 7, 2022 11:59:06 GMT
What happened to "we are not set in the real 2020, I think we all need a respite from real world tragedies and its all too soon" when BF were asked if COVID would be part of the Stranded arc? Pretty pissed off, frankly, that this hit so close to home and worse, back to the really bad times of the pandemic. Timelord007 I would avoid this if you are feelin as down as you have been. Was kinda into this set until the set started this crap. So 2 years is how long to wait before exploitation of real life suffering from people. I look forward to the Ukraine invasion boxset in 2024. Will not dignify this with a review. I thank you buddy, i discarded the previous box sets from my collection as i found them to be boring so i won't be listening to this box set. I want try forget 25th January 2021 ever happened not be reminded of the trauma i still experiencing to this day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 12:26:26 GMT
What happened to "we are not set in the real 2020, I think we all need a respite from real world tragedies and its all too soon" when BF were asked if COVID would be part of the Stranded arc? Pretty pissed off, frankly, that this hit so close to home and worse, back to the really bad times of the pandemic. Timelord007 I would avoid this if you are feelin as down as you have been. Was kinda into this set until the set started this crap. So 2 years is how long to wait before exploitation of real life suffering from people. I look forward to the Ukraine invasion boxset in 2024. Will not dignify this with a review. I thank you buddy, i discarded the previous box sets from my collection as i found them to be boring so i won't be listening to this box set. I want try forget 25th January 2021 ever happened not be reminded of the trauma i still experiencing to this day. Well, the last words of this set, after two residents of the flats at Baker Street died of COVID are "2021 is gonna be the best year ever" which I found crass as all hell considering that January 2021 was the worst spike in deaths since the first wave. Helen even has a line about how people should remember "we came through it together" like everything was OK when the new years bells tolled. I mean, there is a lot of it that is sensitively handled but since they said "no, this is escapism, so if Stranded 2020 is not like ours..so be it" from Day 1 of this series to now do this? Really horrible. I dont need "Its just a cough, he should be fine". Certainly dont need The Doctor to say "I cant interfere because I would want to cure it...so I am just gonna live in the TARDIS for 9 months..bye" Only to turn up for a party on the roof at New Years. Jesus...tone deaf does not even cover it.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 7, 2022 13:16:14 GMT
I thank you buddy, i discarded the previous box sets from my collection as i found them to be boring so i won't be listening to this box set. I want try forget 25th January 2021 ever happened not be reminded of the trauma i still experiencing to this day. Well, the last words of this set, after two residents of the flats at Baker Street died of COVID are "2021 is gonna be the best year ever" which I found crass as all hell considering that January 2021 was the worst spike in deaths since the first wave. Helen even has a line about how people should remember "we came through it together" like everything was OK when the new years bells tolled. I mean, there is a lot of it that is sensitively handled but since they said "no, this is escapism, so if Stranded 2020 is not like ours..so be it" from Day 1 of this series to now do this? Really horrible. I dont need "Its just a cough, he should be fine". Certainly dont need The Doctor to say "I cant interfere because I would want to cure it...so I am just gonna live in the TARDIS for 9 months..bye" Only to turn up for a party on the roof at New Years. Jesus...tone deaf does not even cover it. I quite shocked to read that very bad from the writer John Dorney
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 7, 2022 14:21:36 GMT
I thank you buddy, i discarded the previous box sets from my collection as i found them to be boring so i won't be listening to this box set. I want try forget 25th January 2021 ever happened not be reminded of the trauma i still experiencing to this day. Well, the last words of this set, after two residents of the flats at Baker Street died of COVID are "2021 is gonna be the best year ever" which I found crass as all hell considering that January 2021 was the worst spike in deaths since the first wave. Helen even has a line about how people should remember "we came through it together" like everything was OK when the new years bells tolled. I mean, there is a lot of it that is sensitively handled but since they said "no, this is escapism, so if Stranded 2020 is not like ours..so be it" from Day 1 of this series to now do this? Really horrible. I dont need "Its just a cough, he should be fine". Certainly dont need The Doctor to say "I cant interfere because I would want to cure it...so I am just gonna live in the TARDIS for 9 months..bye" Only to turn up for a party on the roof at New Years. Jesus...tone deaf does not even cover it. Quite frankly I think you're taking the wrong things from this. Liv has no idea what's to come, but she's with the love of her life, so it's going to be the best year ever anyway. Also nobody knew that things would continue to get worse throughout 2021, we all thought we would have a better time post-2020, that is accurate. The entire story is accurate. And the box set provided it's other 2020, it just ended with a reminder that sometimes things do go bad and nothing can be done by the likes of the Doctor. He wanted to do so much the entire story, and he's constantly been prevented from interfering or it goes wrong. In the end he comes back for the celebration because like everyone else he thinks making it through 2020 was a victory worth celebrating, like we all did. This is a great story, one that very much is filled with the real and painful, but to it's advantage. I'm sorry for what you went through as well, Timelord007, and I can see why anything COVID related would be something for you to avoid, but just let it be known that Davy here is misrepresenting this final episode. It is not crass, it is not tone deaf, it is beautiful. It frankly breaks my heart more than anything that you somehow don't realize that the residents of Baker's Street are just like we were. That their optimism isn't bad writing, but accurate to what so many of us felt at the end of 2020. They don't know the future, they just think they've made it through hell. And that's good enough for them.
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