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Post by chopper on Apr 9, 2022 7:40:03 GMT
An underwhelming end to and underwhelming series. Possibly just about earned the epilogue final episode, not that anything actually happened.
In retrospect I think COVID completely scuttled this series. Given they specifically anchored it in 2020 what chance did they have of telling contemporary stories? No wonder they ended up going down alternative timelines.
I suppose the meandering way that the box set went allowed Big Finish to address and square off the covid issue in the whoniverse and took the opportunity. Whether they did it well or not is another matter. They don’t have to address it again now.
As someone who came cold to this set, I figure the end of episode three works as a very obvious trigger warning for episode four for those who are suffering.
Do think some of the comments in this thread don’t reflect very well on the forum if I’m honest with you.
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Post by The Matt on Apr 9, 2022 8:13:15 GMT
very bad and from Dorney who is usually a good writer this whole Stranded thing seems to divide all who listen? Its completely Morally Reprehensible That’s a bit over the top. Well, way over the top. Dorney didn’t write with the intention of offending people and it would only be morally reprehensible if he did it to hurt people. In your eyes it was misjudged and that’s fine but to say it was morally reprehensible is too much really
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 9, 2022 8:42:40 GMT
Its completely Morally Reprehensible That’s a bit over the top. Well, way over the top. Dorney didn’t write with the intention of offending people and it would only be morally reprehensible if he did it to hurt people. In your eyes it was misjudged and that’s fine but to say it was morally reprehensible is too much really Not saying Dorney is morally reprehensible i am saying Liv doing that is morally reprehensible its basically treating their loved one with so little regard (trust me its never a nice feeling to be basically a backup plan) and completely makes the whole point of her journey in Stranded incomplete plus if you wanted to have her and the doctor say goodbye you would have to purchase future boxsets to see it which itself feels really EA
To be frank i am glad that Liv is gone- i found her to be deeply unlikable and i feel Nicola Walker deserved better
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 9, 2022 9:34:36 GMT
Yes there lots of different opinions here which is what a forum is all about That's not where my problem lies and I literally just said I give up, I'm tired of this argument that I clearly can't win. But this is a thread about the release and people commenting their opinion, it on isn't about winning this I think is where your problems is.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 9, 2022 12:21:51 GMT
I'm not the one in this thread that said that Big Finish needs to issue apologies for the story. Now can we please stop this, I hate it when threads get taken over by a single debate and I'm actively hating contributing to the takeover of this one. I don’t think you actually like to participate in debate or discussion regarding your own posts. You like to have your opinion without any subjectivity and leave it at that. Yet you also like to challenge people on their opinions. It’s a forum and discussion works both ways.
The post you quoted where you said “I give up” had absolutely no relation to your point about Big Finish apologising for the story. I’m not sure you even know what your point is anymore; you don’t like to be challenged so you’ve moved on to another topic and then want the discussion to now be shut down because of fear of being challenged again.All of this. The two posts he quoted were what message boards should be more like. People articulating their reactions & their feelings in a intelligent way. To have that serious discussion waved away with “I give up.” is so condescending.
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 9, 2022 19:29:37 GMT
I'm not the one in this thread that said that Big Finish needs to issue apologies for the story. Now can we please stop this, I hate it when threads get taken over by a single debate and I'm actively hating contributing to the takeover of this one. I don’t think you actually like to participate in debate or discussion regarding your own posts. You like to have your opinion without any subjectivity and leave it at that. Yet you also like to challenge people on their opinions. It’s a forum and discussion works both ways. The post you quoted where you said “I give up” had absolutely no relation to your point about Big Finish apologising for the story. I’m not sure you even know what your point is anymore; you don’t like to be challenged so you’ve moved on to another topic and then want the discussion to now be shut down because of fear of being challenged again. I like participating in debates I can win. This entire thread has become an echo chamber of people who hate the finale and I don't want to bother any more if there's no chance of people seeing where I'm coming from. And the post I said I give up to had no relation to the debate at all, yet the Watcher and the Audio Watchdog decided to hop onto it as if it was part of the debate as a whole. I wanted out, I wanted to not discuss the finale any more, that was my admittance of defeat, my want to stop, if they wanted to continue every other part of this debate on THAT quote thread, then I get to continue every part of the debate there too. I just want this to stop, I'm tired of this, I just want this thread to move on, I don't want to keep arguing about this stuff.
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 9, 2022 19:32:50 GMT
That's not where my problem lies and I literally just said I give up, I'm tired of this argument that I clearly can't win. But this is a thread about the release and people commenting their opinion, it on isn't about winning this I think is where your problems is. I didn't start this debate. I stated my opinion on somebody else's opinion and THEY responded, acting like THEIR view was the only real one. I didn't turn this into a debate, I gave my reading of things and it escalated.
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Post by antartiks on Apr 9, 2022 19:39:27 GMT
I'm sorry but I really don't quite get that "winning" thing you're talking about. People here are just giving their own, subjective opinions. There's really no need to want to win or lose debates when opinions are based on personal feelings and experiences.
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 9, 2022 19:40:12 GMT
I don’t think you actually like to participate in debate or discussion regarding your own posts. You like to have your opinion without any subjectivity and leave it at that. Yet you also like to challenge people on their opinions. It’s a forum and discussion works both ways.
The post you quoted where you said “I give up” had absolutely no relation to your point about Big Finish apologising for the story. I’m not sure you even know what your point is anymore; you don’t like to be challenged so you’ve moved on to another topic and then want the discussion to now be shut down because of fear of being challenged again. All of this. The two posts he quoted were what message boards should be more like. People articulating their reactions & their feelings in a intelligent way. To have that serious discussion waved away with “I give up.” is so condescending. Read my other responses please, since you seem to have forgotten that I didn't start this. I responded to some people's opinion with my view of things and they continued it onwards into a debate. As for my giving up, this isn't a genuine discussion, in case you haven't noticed, this is a kangaroo court, basically everyone in this thread has the opposite opinion of me and I grew tired of trying to get my opinion across only to keep having it shut down and to keep seeing more people jump into the thread, not in the debate, just in general, with their reviews that also go against my point of view. I didn't want to keep a 'discussion' going when I knew that there was no point. I know your POV and you know mine, the points have been made, I just want to move past this. Also, in response to Shallacatop, I love debating, but I hate debates I can't win, and I have no problem with people having other opinions. And you're right, I don't want to be challenged again, not because I'm afraid, but because I'm tired. I'm tired of hearing people complain about the ending and I'm tired of trying to get my opinion through when it won't go through. I also, sincerely, want this entire Stranded 4 thread to stop being this one debate. It has been going on for multiple pages now, and I personally do hate when this happens, whether I am a part of it or not. Now, can we please just stop. I am so tired of this. I just wanted to insert a positive view of the finale and it's become this. I'm so freaking tired of this.
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 9, 2022 19:43:13 GMT
I'm sorry but I really don't quite get that "winning" thing you're talking about. People here are just giving their own, subjective opinions. There's really no need to want to win or lose debates when opinions are based on personal feelings and experiences. I stated my opinion on somebody else's and it went downhill from there. It became a debate. It became a debate it was clear there was no winning, so I through in the towel so this thread could go back to just being people sharing their thoughts. I don't want this to be a debate, I never did, look back at how it began, I simply said that I thought somebody else was taking the wrong things from the finale, I'm not the person to started this, and this is very much a debate, it became one very quickly, discussions turn into debates relatively easily, and when that happens, it's either win, lose, or just stop. I just want this to stop.
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Post by Max The Autist on Apr 9, 2022 19:50:50 GMT
I am going to say this as kindly as possible. Stop quoting me. Let this thread go back to just being simple discussion. I am so I need to stop swearing tired of this. Call it a debate or live in blissful ignorance thinking that this was just opinions being shared, I don't care, call me a I need to stop swearing brat, call me wrong, call my opinion shit, say I can't stand being disagreed with, live in an echo chamber for all I care, I just want this to stop. I want this thread to be filled with things other than this ONE I need to stop swearing DISCUSSION. PLEASE. I want to see people talk about anything other than the I need to stop swearing finale. I myself tried to start a I need to stop swearing discussion about the I need to stop swearing curator, but that shit got overshadowed real I need to stop swearing quick. Can we please all just move the fiddlesticks on. I don't I need to stop swearing like most of the people in this goddamn thread, I think you're frankly kind of brats, I think you took my I need to stop swearing opinion and started a debate and then wouldn't let it I need to stop swearing go. This the same I need to stop swearing thing of me, I don't give a shit, I just want this to I need to stop swearing stop, so please, for the love of god, can you please let me throw in the I need to stop swearing towel and leave this bullshit. I'm so sick and tired. I just want this thread to have actual I need to stop swearing discussion and a little I need to stop swearing positivity. I just wanted to inject some I need to stop swearing positivity. THAT WAS ALL I DID. This all I need to stop swearing started from a single quote reply where I gave my OPINION and said that I thought someone else was taking the wrong things from the finale. THAT WAS IT. I'm not the one who started this shit, I just want to finish it and move the fiddlesticks on, so please, can we just MOVE ON. Call me a I need to stop swearing brat, call me some sweary trucker who can't stand different opinions, whatever, just can we please move the fiddlesticks on! I don't even care if we talk about the I need to stop swearing finale even though there is SO MUCH MORE to talk about, so long as it isn't this I need to stop swearing argument, which is what this I need to stop swearing is, an argument, a debate, whatever, but it stopped being a discussion a WHILE ago. So let's move on, please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 20:01:35 GMT
But this is a thread about the release and people commenting their opinion, it on isn't about winning this I think is where your problems is. I didn't start this debate. I stated my opinion on somebody else's opinion and THEY responded, acting like THEIR view was the only real one. I didn't turn this into a debate, I gave my reading of things and it escalated. Not at all contradictory. You just described - perfectly - the start of a debate. And everyone here is offering opinion. It does not need to be stated in each post. Your opinion is just about a story bein better than others believe. Others have rather more personal and tragic reasons for a very visceral response to this set. That you cannot comprehend that you dont "win" those *ahem* debates is really the issue. Its not just any other story. Its one that has hit many of us closer to home than a usual "bad" story would. You have been told multiple people here have lost people to COVID. Audio has contemplated suicide. Yet you are still posting about wanting to "win" a debate? Come on, man. I dont want BF to say sorry. Apologies when its only because of backlash are worthless. And they can make whatever story they like. But we pay for them..we can say what we please about them within forum rules. Within a few posts you had decided low scores were just people who had not listened or just based it on COVID (as though that is just some minor aspect..) so please dont play the martyr when you have thrown stones at many glass houses, to torture a metaphor. You liked it, thats your "win" here. You wont convince people to look past - literally - life and death to agree and frankly telling us your objective is to win the debate? There are no points here. Some of the best posts ever are contrarian but well argued. But to people who didnt have the chance to attend their twins funeral? Yeah...you are not gonna turn them around. Sometimes, "winning" is realisin that its not a game when more important aspects are involved like the deepest depressions and grief you can (n)ever contemplate.
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Post by melkur on Apr 9, 2022 21:53:02 GMT
For me, this is probably the best box of the set. At least consistently decent and, maybe Covid aside, one that I could (maybe) see myself listening to a little ways down the line (I haven't listened to the others yet since they were released, so might need a full listen at somepoint to see where all the threads came from, as there were a few 'oh yeah, that was a thing' moments, especially in, I think the penultimate episode).
I don't think I really 'minded' the Covid episode/finale myself (aside from maybe an eyeroll at the 'clap for the NHS' scene?), but then my parents & I have only had it mildly ourselves about a month ago, and have been lucky enough not to have 'lost' anyone because of it.
Will I ever listen to this series again? Eh, maybe, it depends on my mood. I do like the 16part format in theory, and it's nice that this one wasn't all 'doom and gloom' and the fate of the universe being at stake (again), buuuuuut I'm glad that it's being 'rested' for a while & that we're getting more (If I remember correctly) more standalone and 'episodic' releases in the future...
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 9, 2022 23:30:35 GMT
All of this. The two posts he quoted were what message boards should be more like. People articulating their reactions & their feelings in a intelligent way. To have that serious discussion waved away with “I give up.” is so condescending. Read my other responses please, since you seem to have forgotten that I didn't start this. I responded to some people's opinion with my view of things and they continued it onwards into a debate. As for my giving up, this isn't a genuine discussion, in case you haven't noticed, this is a kangaroo court, basically everyone in this thread has the opposite opinion of me and I grew tired of trying to get my opinion across only to keep having it shut down and to keep seeing more people jump into the thread, not in the debate, just in general, with their reviews that also go against my point of view. I didn't want to keep a 'discussion' going when I knew that there was no point. I know your POV and you know mine, the points have been made, I just want to move past this. Also, in response to Shallacatop, I love debating, but I hate debates I can't win, and I have no problem with people having other opinions. And you're right, I don't want to be challenged again, not because I'm afraid, but because I'm tired. I'm tired of hearing people complain about the ending and I'm tired of trying to get my opinion through when it won't go through. I also, sincerely, want this entire Stranded 4 thread to stop being this one debate. It has been going on for multiple pages now, and I personally do hate when this happens, whether I am a part of it or not. Now, can we please just stop. I am so tired of this. I just wanted to insert a positive view of the finale and it's become this. I'm so freaking tired of this. Not so tired of this that you could not stop yourself from cluster posting and good lord, you actually wrote that. These aren’t debates to be won or lost, you really can’t wrap your brain about that, can you? These are subjective opinions. There is no right and there is no wrong. There is no winning or losing.There are only personal perspectives based on our reactions. And your opinion has very much gotten through. A lot of us don’t buy into it. Which really seems to bug you. As for being tired of people having problems with the ending? Well boo hoo. We bought the ticket, we took the ride and we have thoughts. Thoughts that are just as valid as yours. Again, deal with it. And telling everyone to stop quoting you? It is a message board and that is how things work. A person writes something and others respond. There is back and forth and hopefully everyone respects everyone else’s opinion.
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 10, 2022 1:20:03 GMT
If Big Finish are to include Covid into a story at least be respectful enough to inform listeners "this boxset features the covid pandemic some listeners may find distressing".
I for one don't want to listen to any audio drama that features covid, i think it's in bad taste & I'm annoyed at BF allowing Covid to be incorporated into a story that to me isn't entertainment.
I lost my father, i had no closure, i couldn't be with him, couldn't visit him & had to lie to him saying he be ok when i knew he wasn't & i nearly died myself & so when i listen to a audio drama i want escapism not remembering the worst year of my life.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 10, 2022 2:14:54 GMT
Hello everyone,
The Moderators have been monitoring this thread given the discussion that has arisen from the last story in this series over the last couple days. We all feel it is best to leave this topic of conversation for now out of respect for those that are affected by it. We are aware of the ultra sensitive matter and the valid feelings that go along with this. There really isn't much more that can be said, we don't want to dredge up further pain from real life events .
Thank you all for your co-operation it is very much appreciated.
Regards.
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Post by Chakoteya on Apr 10, 2022 9:07:12 GMT
Okay, I'm one story in and I'm thinking - Whoa, Mr Bird is behaving just like the Discordia, flitting back and forth constantly changing bits and pieces to suit himself. That never ends well.
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Post by saxty on Apr 10, 2022 11:06:01 GMT
Landed well for me, Get Andy was the highlight. Excellent stuff.
As for covid, all the people involved in making this story also went through covid and probably lost people as well. If they want to try and tell a fictional story about it then fair play. To me thats the beauty of this show, escapism meeting lived experience.
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 10, 2022 12:12:35 GMT
Landed well for me, Get Andy was the highlight. Excellent stuff. As for covid, all the people involved in making this story also went through covid and probably lost people as well. If they want to try and tell a fictional story about it then fair play. To me thats the beauty of this show, escapism meeting lived experience. It not escapism nor is it entertaining, its a heartbreaking reminder to those like me, @davygallagher who lost loved ones & wasn't allowed closure. I find it very insensitive Big Finish have contradicted themselves & included the pandemic into the story. As the Fifth Doctor said "there should have been another way".
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Post by saxty on Apr 10, 2022 12:47:49 GMT
Landed well for me, Get Andy was the highlight. Excellent stuff. As for covid, all the people involved in making this story also went through covid and probably lost people as well. If they want to try and tell a fictional story about it then fair play. To me thats the beauty of this show, escapism meeting lived experience. It not escapism nor is it entertaining, its a heartbreaking reminder to those like me, @davygallagher who lost loved ones & wasn't allowed closure. I find it very insensitive Big Finish have contradicted themselves & included the pandemic into the story. As the Fifth Doctor said "there should have been another way". Lived experiance then, they had as much right to make that story as you have not to enjoy it.
Everything is broken and we all need to try and recover in our own ways.
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