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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 30, 2022 1:55:40 GMT
Having crappy cover art makes one hesitant about wanting to buy an audio If an audio has a really neat cover people will tend to want to give it a try That is completely foreign concept to me. Cover art doesn’t play a factor in anything I buy. Yes there are nicer looking covers but I can’t listen to cover art. I’m buying an audio production not a wrapper with pictures. I think what he is getting at is "marketing and design" (?).
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 30, 2022 2:20:40 GMT
That is completely foreign concept to me. Cover art doesn’t play a factor in anything I buy. Yes there are nicer looking covers but I can’t listen to cover art. I’m buying an audio production not a wrapper with pictures. I think what he is getting at is "marketing and design" (?). Again, I don’t buy based on art or marketing. I buy based on writers, characters and situations. I mean I can acknowledge a nice looking cover but it does’nt influence if i buy the audio or not.
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Post by bonehead on Aug 30, 2022 8:30:47 GMT
If I'm on the fence about buying from BF, sometimes an attractive cover can tip me into buying. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. However, I really like these painted covers. I was swayed into buying Watchers and War Doctor sets because of them, for example. Labelling them crappy is very unfair, I think.
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Post by ythri on Sept 9, 2022 3:09:51 GMT
Really it’s the second story explicitly setting up Patricia as being against eugenics and doing a story about eugenics which kind of ruins the genuinely interesting slap in the face of the third story of Patricia being that bigot character who’s all nice and not initially outwardly malicious. Actually, at the end of Reverse Engineering, she talks to the Doctor about how the process could have been used to improve humanity. So she's not so much anti-eugenics as against how it was being used.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 14, 2022 17:25:21 GMT
Whatever else one might say about this release, at least the reversible CD cover is back after its absence from Water Worlds
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Post by masterdoctor on Sept 14, 2022 23:06:57 GMT
Finished this, and even though I did enjoy the first set, this was miles better imo. Where Water Worlds shoots itself a bit in the foot setting everything, Purity is more assured and better balanced. The first two episodes have similar setups, but both feel different in execution, and allow us to understand Patricia.
In regards to Patricia, Imogen Stubbs is great, and really sells the role. I did see some people say that her attitudes in the third episode we’re out of the blue, but I could t disagree more. From the beginning she is very resistant to those around her, and there are quite a few points in the stories where blantant micro-aggressions from her come up(sneering comments, annoyance at accommodating Hebe in the first ep).
Finally, while the major twist at the end didn’t feel very original, it’s a good opportunity to tell some interesting stories, so I look forward to Volume 3 immensely!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 22, 2022 21:06:07 GMT
Just started on this. And I am actually enjoying myself! After reading the reviews, I actually thought this would be kind of dull, but I liked this better than 9th Doctor Old Friends!
The Mindless Ones- Well, I went to university and took tough and very trying coursework, of course I went to counseling sessions and mental health and "improve yourself!" meetings. I thought this story was hilarious. It just turns all that stuff on it's head! All this "mindfulness" that the counselors are getting on about, the "we feel good" exercises.... this is wonderful. I just had to smile and enjoyed myself a lot. I have been there, at uni, and yes, I have met plenty of these "all smiley face improved people". The sweetness of it sometimes made me want to smash their teeth. Paul Margs definitely knew what he was writing about, and this is a great comedy bringing back some memories of my study days. Not necessarily good memories, but at least it made me laugh about some of the stuff I experienced with campus counseling. Oh, and the snarky lady- that is basically me. In a nutshell. Arguing with my counselor. I also liked the performance of the TARDIS team. Plus, Colin did a good job as brainwashed Sixie.
Reverse engineering- well, not very original, however, reminded me of some 3rd Doctor stories (setting, and the villain using alien tech). Not really sure about all this "creating a perfect past human"- the science was complete and utter hogwash and it was a total missed opportunity for Hebe to chime in, being disabled. But it is not as bad as it could have been, and I still had fun. Again, we get some great performances.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 23, 2022 18:09:19 GMT
Chronomancer- Yeah, I get what everybody is disliking about this set and the story arc. The setup is really clumsy. So we get this really weird vendetta of the two rival aliens, a bunch of even weirder co-incidences to have the new big bad getting the hands on some piece of alien time tech only to lead to a sudden cliff-hanger. Boom. And Pat's reactions were also pretty weird. I get some of her issues with the future- in the future, some of our problems still exist, there are still disabled people and not all is a pure and perfect utopia. What I did not get was- so is she supposed to be a xenophobic Nazi? Is she a Darwinist who wants to create a master race? She is supposed to be a anthropologist- if she hates other people and people who are different so much, why exactly did she pick that subject and even pursue it to become professor? Why has nobody called her out on it before? What exactly does she want? It is never made clear or discussed. Why does she feel that way? What exactly is her deal and story? It is just "You are disgusting, I hate people like you, now go away!" I mean, I kind of get the point that it is disappointing that even in a bright future, people with disabilities still suffer for it, but they seem to have made some progress and now they get at least hover chairs.... But I actually had hoped for a better point than "xenophobic Nazi person is going to wipe imperfect people out"- because, let's face it, there will always be imperfection. So yeah, this is handled VERY clumsily.
I am still curious how they are going to resolve this, but I really hope they do it in a more elegant and meaningful way. Otherwise, I still enjoyed this set more than 9th Doctor Old Friends.
In general- I really enjoy Hebe as a companion. She is really good. She reminds me a bit of Lucie Miller and Flip, but is less annoying than Lucie could be and definitely has more bite than Flip. And yes, some longer stories, maybe even 3 hour long ones, would be cool.
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Post by masterdoctor on Sept 23, 2022 18:51:14 GMT
Chronomancer- Yeah, I get what everybody is disliking about this set and the story arc. The setup is really clumsy. So we get this really weird vendetta of the two rival aliens, a bunch of even weirder co-incidences to have the new big bad getting the hands on some piece of alien time tech only to lead to a sudden cliff-hanger. Boom. And Pat's reactions were also pretty weird. I get some of her issues with the future- in the future, some of our problems still exist, there are still disabled people and not all is a pure and perfect utopia. What I did not get was- so is she supposed to be a xenophobic Nazi? Is she a Darwinist who wants to create a master race? She is supposed to be a anthropologist- if she hates other people and people who are different so much, why exactly did she pick that subject and even pursue it to become professor? Why has nobody called her out on it before? What exactly does she want? It is never made clear or discussed. Why does she feel that way? What exactly is her deal and story? It is just "You are disgusting, I hate people like you, now go away!" I mean, I kind of get the point that it is disappointing that even in a bright future, people with disabilities still suffer for it, but they seem to have made some progress and now they get at least hover chairs.... But I actually had hoped for a better point than "xenophobic Nazi person is going to wipe imperfect people out"- because, let's face it, there will always be imperfection. So yeah, this is handled VERY clumsily. I am still curious how they are going to resolve this, but I really hope they do it in a more elegant and meaningful way. Otherwise, I still enjoyed this set more than 9th Doctor Old Friends. In general- I really enjoy Hebe as a companion. She is really good. She reminds me a bit of Lucie Miller and Flip, but is less annoying than Lucie could be and definitely has more bite than Flip. And yes, some longer stories, maybe even 3 hour long ones, would be cool. I agree that Patricia should continue to be developed, but I found that there was some pretty solid foreshadowing from the previous two stories, especially in how she interacted with Hebe in them. But yes, some longer stories would be great, and hopefully a long dormant writer or two like Margs could return (Shearman anyone?)
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Post by Andymac on Sept 24, 2022 13:24:32 GMT
Chronomancer- Yeah, I get what everybody is disliking about this set and the story arc. The setup is really clumsy. So we get this really weird vendetta of the two rival aliens, a bunch of even weirder co-incidences to have the new big bad getting the hands on some piece of alien time tech only to lead to a sudden cliff-hanger. Boom. And Pat's reactions were also pretty weird. I get some of her issues with the future- in the future, some of our problems still exist, there are still disabled people and not all is a pure and perfect utopia. What I did not get was- so is she supposed to be a xenophobic Nazi? Is she a Darwinist who wants to create a master race? She is supposed to be a anthropologist- if she hates other people and people who are different so much, why exactly did she pick that subject and even pursue it to become professor? Why has nobody called her out on it before? What exactly does she want? It is never made clear or discussed. Why does she feel that way? What exactly is her deal and story? It is just "You are disgusting, I hate people like you, now go away!" I mean, I kind of get the point that it is disappointing that even in a bright future, people with disabilities still suffer for it, but they seem to have made some progress and now they get at least hover chairs.... But I actually had hoped for a better point than "xenophobic Nazi person is going to wipe imperfect people out"- because, let's face it, there will always be imperfection. So yeah, this is handled VERY clumsily. I am still curious how they are going to resolve this, but I really hope they do it in a more elegant and meaningful way. Otherwise, I still enjoyed this set more than 9th Doctor Old Friends. In general- I really enjoy Hebe as a companion. She is really good. She reminds me a bit of Lucie Miller and Flip, but is less annoying than Lucie could be and definitely has more bite than Flip. And yes, some longer stories, maybe even 3 hour long ones, would be cool. There still being disabled people in the future isn't a bad thing though. They were living in the open quite happily, the idea that we are all suffering simply existing is a little insulting.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 24, 2022 14:22:36 GMT
There still being disabled people in the future isn't a bad thing though. They were living in the open quite happily, the idea that we are all suffering simply existing is a little insulting.
Sorry, that came out wrong. I am neuro-diverse myself (when I was little, the Doctors told my mum that I would be mentally retarded, but hey, now I have a PhD....). Depending on my mental state, I range from bitterness about being different to actually being very happy that I am so very different from everybody else.
Some days I suffer from it, some days I think it is the most special thing in the world. One of the reasons I am not happy with some of the medications that I was prescribed with and why I stopped taking them was that they made me pretty much a conforming zombie. So actually, I think that is pretty much what a future without disability would turn out to be! (come to think of it)
Long story short- I was simply projecting. I did not want to insult or hurt anyone, but I can see that my wording was less than ideal. I apologize.
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Post by Andymac on Sept 24, 2022 14:25:51 GMT
There still being disabled people in the future isn't a bad thing though. They were living in the open quite happily, the idea that we are all suffering simply existing is a little insulting.
Sorry, that came out wrong. I am neuro-diverse myself (when I was little, the Doctors told my mum that I would be mentally retarded, but hey, now I have a PhD....). Depending on my mental state, I range from bitterness about being different to actually being very happy that I am so very different from everybody else.
Some days I suffer from it, some days I think it is the most special thing in the world.
Long story short- I was simply projecting. I did not want to insult or hurt anyone, but I can see that my wording was less than idea. I apologize.
Apology accepted, we all choose words badly from time time to time.
I too know the feeling of swinging between being ok and bitter.
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Post by ollychops on Dec 4, 2022 19:53:40 GMT
I thought that this set was an improvement over the last one but again I do think the stories suffer from being two-parters... I feel like the Patricia plotline especially suffered.
Though I did have to laugh at the glaringly obvious continuity error in The Mindless Ones when Mel says that the Doctor doesn't own a mobile phone... despite Hebe contacting them on one just a handful of stories ago in The Rotting Deep...
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Post by sherlock on Apr 1, 2023 17:29:05 GMT
So I just did The Mindless Ones and my main reaction is…is that it?
The 1 hour format really shouldn’t be alien to Big Finish at this point, but somehow this felt like they’d never done it before. We skip over Hebe and Patricia’s infiltration of the sinister office so Hebe can catch us up later, we skip over who the aliens are and why they’re even here doing their evil plot (and why is Sheffield Hallam uni of all places their ground zero for conquering the world’s minds?) and so ultimately it feels a bit unfinished. I think I get what they’re going for, taking aim at the corporate appropriation of “well-being” language just to make people better workers, but the plot itself just missed the mark.
I did like the slight twist that Hebe’s friend’s lifestyle changes weren’t actually anything to do with mind control though. Nice little subversion.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 2, 2023 11:50:23 GMT
Reverse Engineering starts well but the second part devolves into endless temporal technobabble (It’s a temporal reversion! It’s a time storm! It’s a time eddy! It’s time distortion! What do any of these things actually mean?!) accompanied by a growling alien and a cacophony of sound effects.
So ultimately I kinda lost the plot and I think whatever point the story was trying to make disappeared along the way. Shame really, the premise and first half were promising.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 2, 2023 20:18:07 GMT
Chronomancer
Hmm…okay. The time traveller squabble fight is really neither here or there. Villain wants to unleash something with an alien name for universal domination for reasons, and oops destroy Sheffield too. It’s nothing special but it is well paced, so it’s fine.
The Patricia subplot is really the point of this story. Now on the one hand I get what they’re doing here. At uni I did meet someone who happily identified themself as “alt-right” who was incredibly polite and personable and frankly if you met him outside of politics you’d never have picked up on it (well, unless you looked at their social media for more than five minutes…yeah…). But point being someone appearing entirely personable and yet having these kind of disturbing views…yep I get it. The way these views came out did feel a bit sudden, but I guess that’s a limitation of the pacing as with a four parter they could’ve devoted some serious time to her rising horror at the future, as opposed to her freaking out within a minute of arriving.
What worked less for me is Patricia immediately throwing all subtlety out the window and branding herself “Purity”. It just feels incredibly big step to go from where she was (microaggression central with these sentiments bubbling furiously under the surface) to an all out time travel crusade in pursuit of “Purity”.
I think whether I continue this arc will be review based. Water Worlds I felt a lot kinder towards on revisit, but this set was very unsteady.
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Post by thegreendeath on Jul 2, 2023 2:40:18 GMT
Really enjoyed the first story. It’s filled with lovely conversations and character bits which sometimes the 2 parters leave out. I really enjoyed the resolution with Hebe’s friend SPOILER(and how she actually isn’t all goth anymore well before the brain washing and married Hadoke not because of manipulation but because she loves him). I thought that was a great and true to life piece of writing. As someone who works in the wellness industry the spiritual / psycho-spiritual bypassing rings pretty true to me as well. Yes, some of the parts of the story were rushed through, but I’ve heard so many Who stories I don’t mind “fast forwarding” through some of the rote adventure parts to get to the characters.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 2, 2023 19:35:24 GMT
I really like this one. Especially the last story
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Post by nottenst on Sept 11, 2023 20:17:01 GMT
Finished this set over the weekend. I was a bit surprised by the cliffhanger and am intrigued enough that I'll be starting the next set soon.
Just noticed that the third (and probably final) set just came out last month, so I'll be rotating in the whole series of stories over the next few weeks.
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Post by masterdoctor on Sept 14, 2023 20:25:45 GMT
Finished my second go though this one, and much like Water Worlds, I found this one to be better this time round.
The Mindless Ones by Paul Margs:
Knowing the twist at the end of the set, I can definitely see the warning signs of Patricia, but it also has to be said how great Stubbs is as McBride. Cantankerous as all hell, but still seemingly a likeable person. The academia world is a lot of fun as a setting for The Doctor in general, and this is no different, especially with the wacky Margs writing.
Reverse Engineering by Jonathan Morris:
I’ll admit, this is still quite a weak story, but I found it much more enjoyable this time. Holm is an ok villain, and the plot is a bit too similar to The Mindless Ones, but it’s a nice diversion for an hour.
Chronomancer by Robert Valentine:
I actually didn’t remember a whole lot of the story apart from the final minutes, but I thought the whole thing was excellent. Kloska and Brenher play rival time travellers with aplomb, and the Sheffield cast are probably at their best here. And those final few minutes are still an excellent cliffhanger, even with a twist that’s been done to death in Sci-Fi.
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