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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2022 16:59:44 GMT
The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank. Hypothetical if you could set it what would be your base prices Mine would be (and these are maximums using Uk Prices so Overseas Members convert to whatever amount when these are converted into your local currency) All releases would be Full-Cast 2 4 part stories Or 4 70+minute Eps a Boxset Per item CD+Dl £20 pre release £30 Post release DL Only £10 Pre Release £15 Post Release Bundles of 2- 4 Releases 2 Release Bundle ether Format £25 Pre Release £30 Post Release 3 Release Bundle Dl Only £30 CD+DL £35 Pre Realease £35 DL Only £40 CD+DL Post Release 4 Release Bundle DL Only £40 CD+DL £50 Pre Release DL Only £50 CD+DL £60 Post Release Regards mark687 I’m just about comfortable with the current physical prices. I think the download prices are too dear for no physical product and given the small cost different between. There‘s no reason to be download only in the UK when you can shift the CD on eBay and make some of your cost back. I think a better download price for, say, the Ninth Doctor Adventures would be £13, or a classic box set at £10, but they’re hypotheticals because I don’t know the cost of production to be able to say if they’re sensible or not.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 1, 2022 10:13:31 GMT
The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank. There is no basis for the argument that you're making. If the pre-order prices took into account the full production cost plus profit, and they hardly ever made any full price sales, they would just keep everything at the lower price to encourage sales. I'd wager a good portion of sales are made at the full price. I think shallacatop's argument is pretty sound and logical. There are so many ways that a customer can avoid paying the full post-release RRP list price on the BF website: 1. Pay the pre-order price, and bear in mind this concides with the period of maximum publicity/reviews for the release (which usually remains for a few weeks after release) 2. Wait for a sale 3. Buy as part of a bundle/sub from BF 4. Buy the CD elsewhere - Amazon, ebay, etc. From BF's point of view, they are selling CDs to Amazon at a cheaper price than Amazon normally sells them to us, warehouse clearance events excepted, so these sales generate even less revenue for BF than an Amazon customer pays for the CD. 5. Wait until it appears on audible and get it for the price of 1 credit 6. Buy as part of a £50 spend on the BF website and get 10% discount Given all of the above, I doubt very much if many of BF's sales are full price sales - it can only be a small % of customers who pay full list price. I once worked for a business that produced a catalogue each year with all products and list prices and with very few exceptions virtually nobody paid full list price for anything. Everyone got some sort of discount in some way or other. Yes, it was "false" discount, but people like to think they are getting a bargain and come to expect it. The BF website post-release price has to be seen as a list price that very few customers ever pay. Or to put it another way, BF website post-release prices are like the way former Labour Chancellor Roy Jenkins described inheritance tax in the UK "a voluntary levy paid by those who distrust their heirs more than they dislike the Inland Revenue", i.e. very easy to avoid if you wish to do so. This being the case, it follows that BF cannot still be operating after 20 years if only a very small % of their sales actually cover the costs of production and make a profit, while the majority of their sales are losing money. They can obviously make money - probably not very much - selling at the B2B price they sell to Amazon and other distributors or else they wouldn't do it. Therefore, the types of sales that generate lower revenue must still be generating enough for BF to cover costs and turn a profit (definitely 1, 3, 4 & 6 above - perhaps not always 2 and 5?). So, if BF can make an acceptable profit on the lower revenue sales, then the additional revenue from sales at the higher price is pure profit to them.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 1, 2022 10:22:34 GMT
There is no basis for the argument that you're making. If the pre-order prices took into account the full production cost plus profit, and they hardly ever made any full price sales, they would just keep everything at the lower price to encourage sales. I'd wager a good portion of sales are made at the full price. I think shallacatop's argument is pretty sound and logical. There are so many ways that a customer can avoid paying the full post-release RRP list price on the BF website: 1. Pay the pre-order price, and bear in mind this concides with the period of maximum publicity/reviews for the release (which usually remains for a few weeks after release) 2. Wait for a sale 3. Buy as part of a bundle/sub from BF 4. Buy the CD elsewhere - Amazon, ebay, etc. From BF's point of view, they are selling CDs to Amazon at a cheaper price than Amazon normally sells them to us, warehouse clearance events excepted, so these sales generate even less revenue for BF than an Amazon customer pays for the CD. 5. Wait until it appears on audible and get it for the price of 1 credit 6. Buy as part of a £50 spend on the BF website and get 10% discount Given all of the above, I doubt very much if many of BF's sales are full price sales - it can only be a small % of customers who pay full list price. I once worked for a business that produced a catalogue each year with all products and list prices and with very few exceptions virtually nobody paid full list price for anything. Everyone got some sort of discount in some way or other. Yes, it was "false" discount, but people like to think they are getting a bargain and come to expect it. The BF website post-release price has to be seen as a list price that very few customers ever pay. Or to put it another way, BF website post-release prices are like the way former Labour Chancellor Roy Jenkins described inheritance tax in the UK "a voluntary levy paid by those who distrust their heirs more than they dislike the Inland Revenue", i.e. very easy to avoid if you wish to do so. This being the case, it follows that BF cannot still be operating after 20 years if only a very small % of their sales actually cover the costs of production and make a profit, while the majority of their sales are losing money. They can obviously make money - probably not very much - selling at the B2B price they sell to Amazon and other distributors or else they wouldn't do it. Therefore, the types of sales that generate lower revenue must still be generating enough for BF to cover costs and turn a profit (definitely 1, 3, 4 & 6 above - perhaps not always 2 and 5?). So, if BF can make an acceptable profit on the lower revenue sales, then the additional revenue from sales at the higher price is pure profit to them. Regarding #6.. Give us no UK'ers that option, convert it to say, AUST$100 (which currently works out to $58.59 pounds) and I am sure you will see an increase in purchases for that lil di$count..
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Post by Ela on Sept 2, 2022 0:00:38 GMT
Yeah that 10% discount for spending £50 or more is only good in the UK.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 2, 2022 2:42:57 GMT
Yeah that 10% discount for spending £50 or more is only good in the UK. Would be great if they offered it to all, double the amount that's fine it will encourage bulk purchases.
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Post by newt5996 on Sept 7, 2022 14:09:46 GMT
So I’ve noticed this at the end of todays seventh Doctor news.
All the above prices include the special pre-order discount and are subject to change after general release. From November 2022, new pre-order prices will apply for unreleased box sets.
It seems that only the pre order prices are what are increasing and not the general retail price.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 7, 2022 14:17:27 GMT
So I’ve noticed this at the end of todays seventh Doctor news. All the above prices include the special pre-order discount and are subject to change after general release. From November 2022, new pre-order prices will apply for unreleased box sets. It seems that only the pre order prices are what are increasing and not the general retail price. Been on most of the Press Releases for about a Month already And Yes I agree with that assumption which makes it odd Business BF still aren't saying what the difference will be. Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 1, 2022 4:42:32 GMT
Well we are officially in October so we have 31 Days to get what audios we want before the price increase
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 17:09:21 GMT
Well we are officially in October so we have 31 Days to get what audios we want before the price increase People overseas - especially in the US - could have made some nice savings if they'd ordered when the pound fell last week... and if they didn't, they probably won't have to wait too long for it to fall again with the current UK government. Stay tuned.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 1, 2022 17:33:29 GMT
Well we are officially in October so we have 31 Days to get what audios we want before the price increase People overseas - especially in the US - could have made some nice savings if they'd ordered when the pound fell last week... and if they didn't, they probably won't have to wait too long for it to fall again with the current UK government. Stay tuned. The pound is still weak.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 1, 2022 19:54:28 GMT
Well we are officially in October so we have 31 Days to get what audios we want before the price increase I wonder if much new stuff will be announced this month or if they are holding off until after 1 November
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 2, 2022 2:31:50 GMT
Well we are officially in October so we have 31 Days to get what audios we want before the price increase I wonder if much new stuff will be announced this month or if they are holding off until after 1 November Honestly I expect they are holding off till November to Announce their 60th Anniversary release for next year, Torchwood Season 7 and the Jeherico boxsets
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Post by Andymac on Oct 2, 2022 21:54:21 GMT
That or they'll announce some of it on the last day of October to get a nice big rush one the one day lower price deal.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 3, 2022 8:48:09 GMT
That or they'll announce some of it on the last day of October to get a nice big rush one the one day lower price deal. I won't pander to that gimmick. BF need to be transparent. They must know now what the new pricings are!
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Post by Andymac on Oct 3, 2022 16:16:04 GMT
That or they'll announce some of it on the last day of October to get a nice big rush one the one day lower price deal. I won't pander to that gimmick. BF need to be transparent. They must know now what the new pricings are! Well if they've got a similar power company to mine they'll of got an email last week telling them how much it'll cost to heat/power whatever buildings they own. So they'll probably have the last bit of info to work out what price increase they'll need. I suspect they'll be telling us this week or next week what the increase will be.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 3, 2022 16:45:22 GMT
I won't pander to that gimmick. BF need to be transparent. They must know now what the new pricings are! Well if they've got a similar power company to mine they'll of got an email last week telling them how much it'll cost to heat/power whatever buildings they own. So they'll probably have the last bit of info to work out what price increase they'll need. I suspect they'll be telling us this week or next week what the increase will be. Maybe more home recording for cast members? Will cut down on these sort of costs?
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Post by Andymac on Oct 3, 2022 17:43:36 GMT
Well if they've got a similar power company to mine they'll of got an email last week telling them how much it'll cost to heat/power whatever buildings they own. So they'll probably have the last bit of info to work out what price increase they'll need. I suspect they'll be telling us this week or next week what the increase will be. Maybe more home recording for cast members? Will cut down on these sort of costs? The cast's costs will of gone up too though, if they're using their own electricity to do the recording it'd be perfectly reasonable to ask for that back as part of their fee. I wonder if you can get that back in your taxes like you can for uniforms.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 3, 2022 17:58:35 GMT
Maybe more home recording for cast members? Will cut down on these sort of costs? The cast's costs will of gone up too though, if they're using their own electricity to do the recording it'd be perfectly reasonable to ask for that back as part of their fee. I wonder if you can get that back in your taxes like you can for uniforms. They can ask but doubt it would happen. Many people work from home now but dont think they get a pay rise to compensate (for example the savings in travel costs may offset this).
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Post by Andymac on Oct 3, 2022 18:16:09 GMT
The cast's costs will of gone up too though, if they're using their own electricity to do the recording it'd be perfectly reasonable to ask for that back as part of their fee. I wonder if you can get that back in your taxes like you can for uniforms. They can ask but doubt it would happen. Many people work from home now but dont think they get a pay rise to compensate (for example the savings in travel costs may offset this). Though I feel they should, I'm reasonably certain you're right.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 3, 2022 19:36:38 GMT
Here in Australia you claim electricity/any pc purchases-necessary upgrades, even your internet bill on tax (it's only a small portion however). Have done it the past couple years thanks to Covid.
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