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Post by timleschild on Sept 9, 2022 14:27:11 GMT
A truly amazing, remarkable woman. The world is the poorer for her loss. Given all the riches stolen from us & other lands by the monarchy they have only made the world poorer by their very existence.
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Post by Ela on Sept 9, 2022 14:29:13 GMT
I thought this was a fitting memorial
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Post by The Brigadier on Sept 9, 2022 18:17:07 GMT
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there is a time and a place to express it and some things are (sometimes) best left unspoken.
My sympathies then to those who are feeling the loss right now over the passing of the Queen and to those who mourn for a mother, a grandmother and a great grandmother. And though I am far from being a monarchist I offer a tip of the hat to the late Queen herself for the role she played in the fabric of our society over the past seven decades - notably (for me) in her patronage of over six hundred large and small scale charities, military associations, professional bodies and public service organisations in the UK and across the Commonwealth.
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Post by Ela on Sept 9, 2022 18:25:06 GMT
The history of colonialism and stolen goods can't be denied, but I don't think the existence of the monarchy has been a net loss for the world.
Certainly, I think the UK has benefited from the patronage of the royal family and from the tourism income brought to the UK by interest in the royal family.
Or, pretty much what The Brig has elaborated on in his post above about the various charities and so forth that the Queen and her family have been involved in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 20:48:08 GMT
Given all the riches stolen from us & other lands by the monarchy they have only made the world poorer by their very existence. That may be a fair comment and you are entitled to that POV ... but today is probably not the day.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 10, 2022 6:28:03 GMT
This is mild compared to what’s happening on Twitter. Just saying. The monarchy as an institution certainly has its issues, but many on Twitter are laying every ill imaginable at the Queen’s feet. I think she was remarkable in her ability to adjust with changing times, even if that adjustment was imperfect and could have been better in some aspects. Yeah, Twitter is nuts. A lot of nonsense, yes, but also some very real traumatic catharsis from folks who suffered under the British during her reign. I'm not super well-versed in the queen's history, but I gather (predictably) there's quite a bit of ugliness. But I also think it's kind of a weird situation where I don't think anyone in her position could ever have been otherwise. And she probably did better than most. That kind of wealth and power is just too insulating. As a result I don't really feel inclined to speak up about her one way or the other, at least not to the extent that I would (and hopefully will) when certain other prominent figures pass. People who had more of a choice -- who were far more deliberate about committing and perpetuating harm. What I do want to say is that -- and yes, this is from Twitter -- I did see someone make the observation that "the queen" seems to occupy the same position in UK culture that "the troops" has over here. Which... based on all I've seen, certainly seems to be the case. So much of British identity seems wrapped up in the living symbol that was Elizabeth II... I can only wonder how that will change with her gone and what's-his-name on the throne.
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Post by timleschild on Sept 10, 2022 8:25:44 GMT
This is mild compared to what’s happening on Twitter. Just saying. The monarchy as an institution certainly has its issues, but many on Twitter are laying every ill imaginable at the Queen’s feet. I think she was remarkable in her ability to adjust with changing times, even if that adjustment was imperfect and could have been better in some aspects. Yeah, Twitter is nuts. A lot of nonsense, yes, but also some very real traumatic catharsis from folks who suffered under the British during her reign. I'm not super well-versed in the queen's history, but I gather (predictably) there's quite a bit of ugliness. But I also think it's kind of a weird situation where I don't think anyone in her position could ever have been otherwise. And she probably did better than most. That kind of wealth and power is just too insulating. As a result I don't really feel inclined to speak up about her one way or the other, at least not to the extent that I would (and hopefully will) when certain other prominent figures pass. People who had more of a choice -- who were far more deliberate about committing and perpetuating harm. What I do want to say is that -- and yes, this is from Twitter -- I did see someone make the observation that "the queen" seems to occupy the same position in UK culture that "the troops" has over here. Which... based on all I've seen, certainly seems to be the case. So much of British identity seems wrapped up in the living symbol that was Elizabeth II... I can only wonder how that will change with her gone and what's-his-name on the throne. Hopefully it will change. It's so weird to see how many are still besotted with this outdated damaging institution of privilege & inherited wealth stolen form us & other countries.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 10, 2022 8:46:38 GMT
It’s an odd one. I’m no royalist (could really not care less about the obsessions with royal kid pictures here or Meghan gave interview to [y] magazine there that populate the press on the regular) but it did still feel like a loss.
I guess it’s just the British psyche thing. The Queen’s always been there in the background as the one consistent bit of the country. It’s the death of a national symbol more than an individual really.
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Post by timleschild on Sept 10, 2022 9:57:56 GMT
Yes! We are getting a Bank Holiday!
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Post by Chakoteya on Sept 10, 2022 10:51:02 GMT
Yes! We are getting a Bank Holiday! Well, apart from all the people who will have to work, of course. Can't see all the hospitals closing, shops closing, care homes etc. etc. etc. In other words - office staff don't have to go back in / log in at home until Tuesday next week. Apart from the energy company call centres, and I expect they're frazzled and desperate for a break anyway.
When the rail unions called off their strike as a mark of respect, why did I get an image of that scene next to the end of 'Carry On At Your Convenience' - the one where Renee Houston puts Kenneth Cope over her knee... ?
There's been some great music put out over BBC local radio in the meantime. Songs I'd almost forgotten about like Carole King's 'So Far Away'. That's going on TOH's possible funeral song list.
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Post by timleschild on Sept 10, 2022 10:55:32 GMT
Yes! We are getting a Bank Holiday! Well, apart from all the people who will have to work, of course. Can't see all the hospitals closing, shops closing, care homes etc. etc. etc. In other words - office staff don't have to go back in / log in at home until Tuesday next week. Apart from the energy company call centres, and I expect they're frazzled and desperate for a break anyway. I know.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 10, 2022 16:49:52 GMT
Funeral Monday 19th September 11AM UK Time.
Regards
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Post by timleschild on Sept 10, 2022 20:27:26 GMT
Funeral Monday 19th September 11AM UK Time. Regards mark687 So wonder if this will be a one off bank holiday or a new one? We need another one in the autumnal/winter months.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 10, 2022 21:44:13 GMT
Funeral Monday 19th September 11AM UK Time. Regards mark687 So wonder if this will be a one off bank holiday or a new one? We need another one in the autumnal/winter months. Business Department has published official guidance on the holiday indicating it’s not intended to become an annual one. But we may yet get a different another one for coronation next year anyway.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 10, 2022 23:39:15 GMT
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Post by bohnny on Sept 11, 2022 1:53:04 GMT
Yeah, Twitter is nuts. A lot of nonsense, yes, but also some very real traumatic catharsis from folks who suffered under the British during her reign. I'm not super well-versed in the queen's history, but I gather (predictably) there's quite a bit of ugliness. But I also think it's kind of a weird situation where I don't think anyone in her position could ever have been otherwise. And she probably did better than most. That kind of wealth and power is just too insulating. As a result I don't really feel inclined to speak up about her one way or the other, at least not to the extent that I would (and hopefully will) when certain other prominent figures pass. People who had more of a choice -- who were far more deliberate about committing and perpetuating harm. What I do want to say is that -- and yes, this is from Twitter -- I did see someone make the observation that "the queen" seems to occupy the same position in UK culture that "the troops" has over here. Which... based on all I've seen, certainly seems to be the case. So much of British identity seems wrapped up in the living symbol that was Elizabeth II... I can only wonder how that will change with her gone and what's-his-name on the throne. Hopefully it will change. It's so weird to see how many are still besotted with this outdated damaging institution of privilege & inherited wealth stolen form us & other countries. Hopefully the beginning of the end of the whole rancid enterprise
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Post by Ela on Sept 11, 2022 2:37:29 GMT
I wouldn't want to live under the news and gossip microscope the British royals live under, I'll say that. Today on Twitter, King Charles is criticized for gestures he made when he sat down to sign whatever it is he had to sign during (or following) the Accession Council. William and Kate and Harry and Meghan are criticized for their relative positions to each other as seen in a photo taken during their walkabout following the ceremony, with people trying to insert deep psychological meaning into every nuance.
People need to get a life.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Sept 11, 2022 8:01:21 GMT
I wouldn't want to live under the news and gossip microscope the British royals live under, I'll say that. Today on Twitter, King Charles is criticized for gestures he made when he sat down to sign whatever it is he had to sign during (or following) the Accession Council. William and Kate and Harry and Meghan are criticized for their relative positions to each other as seen in a photo taken during their walkabout following the ceremony, with people trying to insert deep psychological meaning into every nuance. People need to get a life. This is an interesting contradiction about people in general isn't it? My mother used to rattle on about the Royals all the time and how rubbish, ordinary, and downright parasitic they all were but would always get books about them out of the library and be the first to tune into documentaries about them, etc. It's the same as being a Doctor Who fan (or having an interest in anything) in that some people seem to stay so loyal to something even when they seem to hate it so much. For all I am anti-monarchist I wholeheartedly agree with you that I wouldn't swap places with any of them for double of what they get in return for their 'services'. That said I'm glad to see Prince Andrew's hedonism coming back to haunt him in his old age; it's been pretty much an open secret for decades.
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Post by Ela on Sept 11, 2022 9:37:07 GMT
I'm requesting that folks refrain from negative comments about the royal family and the monarchy in general in this thread, as it was created to commemorate Queen Elizabeth's passing. There have been several complaints about such comments that have been made in this thread.
We all know the issues that many have raised over the years with regard to the monarchy and the history of the monarchy, as well as many incidents involving the royal family. This thread is not the place for it.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 9:41:58 GMT
I'm requesting that folks refrain from negative comments about the royal family and the monarchy in general in this thread, as it was created to commemorate Queen Elizabeth's passing. There have been several complaints about such comments that have been made in this thread. We all know the issues that many have raised over the years with regard to the monarchy and the history of the monarchy, as well as many incidents involving the royal family. This thread is not the place for it. Thanks. Well said.
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