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Post by grinch on Jan 23, 2023 21:29:34 GMT
This nepo baby thing is news to me, if it's simply about having famous parents, there's many examples of children going on to be talented and iconic in their own right, I recently read NOS4R2 by Joe Hill ( Stephen Kings son), the book was really good. David Bowie's son Duncan Jones has directed some really cool sci fi movies. Jeff Bridges, an Oscar winning actor, son of actor Lloyd Bridges. Some performers choose to use a different surname, which is commendable. It's also commendable that their trying to forge a career rather than simply living off parents wealth. Other factors are being in the limelight makes a regular job tricky so why not follow in your parents footsteps, in some ways growing up on film sets is the perfect apprenticeship for your craft. Life is often about luck, being in the right place at the right time, there are millions of talented people and only so many opportunities but I say, good luck to those that make it, all I ask of anyone is "Never be cruel, never be cowardly, and never, ever eat pears! Remember, hate is always foolish. and love is always wise. Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind." To be honest, I always thought people’s issue with “nepo babies” was the entitled attitudes of some of them. Not necessarily because a lot of them follow in their parents footsteps. Goes for most walks of life I suppose. If you have the relevant contacts and influence to get your foot in the door for your chosen profession why wouldn’t you use them?
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Post by martinw8686 on Jan 23, 2023 21:42:24 GMT
This nepo baby thing is news to me, if it's simply about having famous parents, there's many examples of children going on to be talented and iconic in their own right, I recently read NOS4R2 by Joe Hill ( Stephen Kings son), the book was really good. David Bowie's son Duncan Jones has directed some really cool sci fi movies. Jeff Bridges, an Oscar winning actor, son of actor Lloyd Bridges. Some performers choose to use a different surname, which is commendable. It's also commendable that their trying to forge a career rather than simply living off parents wealth. Other factors are being in the limelight makes a regular job tricky so why not follow in your parents footsteps, in some ways growing up on film sets is the perfect apprenticeship for your craft. Life is often about luck, being in the right place at the right time, there are millions of talented people and only so many opportunities but I say, good luck to those that make it, all I ask of anyone is "Never be cruel, never be cowardly, and never, ever eat pears! Remember, hate is always foolish. and love is always wise. Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind." To be honest, I always thought people’s issue with “nepo babies” was the entitled attitudes of some of them. Not necessarily because a lot of them follow in their parents footsteps. Goes for most walks of life I suppose. If you have the relevant contacts and influence to get your foot in the door for your chosen profession why wouldn’t you use them? The whole trend of this phrase is new to me, if it's about entitlement then that's an unpleasant trait in any individual. I don't like these negative buzz words, they become another outlet for spreading unkindness and fuel for the mean spirited.
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Post by cwm on Jan 23, 2023 21:44:17 GMT
A "nepo baby" is ostensibly meant to be someone like Jack Whitehall, who used his father's connections as an enormously powerful talent agent and TV producer to jump the queue most up-and-coming performers face. In practice it increasingly seems to be "anyone in the public eye with famous parents" (see that viral article last month on the subject which classed Phoebe Bridgers as a "nepo baby" on the dubious grounds that her father was a set builder).
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Post by grinch on Jan 23, 2023 21:45:19 GMT
To be honest, I always thought people’s issue with “nepo babies” was the entitled attitudes of some of them. Not necessarily because a lot of them follow in their parents footsteps. Goes for most walks of life I suppose. If you have the relevant contacts and influence to get your foot in the door for your chosen profession why wouldn’t you use them? The whole trend of this phrase is new to me, if it's about entitlement then that's an unpleasant trait in any individual. I don't like these negative buzz words, they become another outlet for spreading unkindness and fuel for the mean spirited. Very true. Much like yourself, it’s not really something I’ve delved into too deeply myself. Just my observations based on a cursory glance.
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Post by martinw8686 on Jan 23, 2023 22:17:25 GMT
A "nepo baby" is ostensibly meant to be someone like Jack Whitehall, who used his father's connections as an enormously powerful talent agent and TV producer to jump the queue most up-and-coming performers face. In practice it increasingly seems to be "anyone in the public eye with famous parents" (see that viral article last month on the subject which classed Phoebe Bridgers as a "nepo baby" on the dubious grounds that her father was a set builder). I understand why some may feel others from a privileged background have had an unfair advantage in life. I try to look at my situation in life, I'm an average person, some have a more prosperous life but much more have it worse than I. It's so easy in life to see what you don't have, we all just need to take a moment and truly appreciate what we do have. To get back on to Time War Cass, good luck to Sonny Mcgann, the reviews I've read so far are praising his performance, I look forward to listening to Alex's further adventures with the Doctor.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Jan 24, 2023 7:57:31 GMT
16 if we count Jake’s appearances in Immortal Beloved and The Girl Who never was as they came out in 2007 Wonder how the audition went, if indeed there was one. Aye. And not the only one either. Both Peter Davison and Alex Kingston have used Big Finish to bring family members on board. It's definitely the darker side of the industry (not the only one though - most councils are 'family businesses'). Again though Big Finish are a small company and depend on these 'names' to sell product. It's a bit like long term actors in American shows getting Executive Producer credits. And there's always the argument that family connections don't indicate a lack of talent. As an American Horror Story fan I like the performances of Billie Lourd who is the nepo baby of a nepo baby!
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Post by The Brigadier on Jan 24, 2023 10:36:24 GMT
Steering the conversation gently back towards the actual subject of the thread...
A question (or two) for those of you who have listened to this in full. The reviews I've seen are mixed - is Cass a good jumping on point for new listeners? Or should I pull the first volume from the darkest depths of the backlog and start from there?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 24, 2023 10:51:04 GMT
Steering the conversation gently back towards the actual subject of the thread... A question (or two) for those of you who have listened to this in full. The reviews I've seen are mixed - is Cass a good jumping on point for new listeners? Or should I pull the first volume from the darkest depths of the backlog and start from there? Have you heard season 4 of the Lucie Miller stores? If you have your OK Regards mark687
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Post by levi3o4 on Jan 24, 2023 13:42:03 GMT
I'd listen to the first volume anyway, just because it's a decent take on "8th Doctor Time War" as a concept. Then maybe just like... the last scene of Volume 4. But yeah, Season 4 of the Lucie Miller stories (starting with An Earthly Child) will do ya.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2023 14:49:50 GMT
Wonder how the audition went, if indeed there was one. Aye. And not the only one either. Both Peter Davison and Alex Kingston have used Big Finish to bring family members on board. It's definitely the darker side of the industry (not the only one though - most councils are 'family businesses'). Again though Big Finish are a small company and depend on these 'names' to sell product. It's a bit like long term actors in American shows getting Executive Producer credits. And there's always the argument that family connections don't indicate a lack of talent. As an American Horror Story fan I like the performances of Billie Lourd who is the nepo baby of a nepo baby! So doctors or lawyers or accountants or engineers or chefs or yes actors or directors or pick a profession that follow their parents into the family business, that would be the “dark side” of the various businesses to you?
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 24, 2023 16:54:51 GMT
Steering the conversation gently back towards the actual subject of the thread... A question (or two) for those of you who have listened to this in full. The reviews I've seen are mixed - is Cass a good jumping on point for new listeners? Or should I pull the first volume from the darkest depths of the backlog and start from there? Short answer- yes, Cass is perfect new jumping on point. Only thing you need to know is that there is a slight nagging memory that there was somebody else (Bliss).
However. Sooner or later you might want to work your way through the others (even if most are not that good, compared to other 8th Doctor stuff), for the single reason that Volume 4 is EPIC. Terry Molloy is the best. But if I am perfectly honest, since Bliss and 8 are only side characters in the Davros story, you could just get Volume 4 anyways. (and I repeat again, while Cass is all nice and fun and games, it just does not play in the same league as that truly epic Davros story in volume 4).
The only truly great stories in this range before Volume 4, at least in my opinion, are Planet of the Ogrons and The War Valeyard.
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Post by timleschild on Jan 24, 2023 17:01:44 GMT
Wonder how the audition went, if indeed there was one. Aye. And not the only one either. Both Peter Davison and Alex Kingston have used Big Finish to bring family members on board. It's definitely the darker side of the industry (not the only one though - most councils are 'family businesses'). Again though Big Finish are a small company and depend on these 'names' to sell product. It's a bit like long term actors in American shows getting Executive Producer credits. And there's always the argument that family connections don't indicate a lack of talent. As an American Horror Story fan I like the performances of Billie Lourd who is the nepo baby of a nepo baby! Well said
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Jan 24, 2023 17:04:26 GMT
Aye. And not the only one either. Both Peter Davison and Alex Kingston have used Big Finish to bring family members on board. It's definitely the darker side of the industry (not the only one though - most councils are 'family businesses'). Again though Big Finish are a small company and depend on these 'names' to sell product. It's a bit like long term actors in American shows getting Executive Producer credits. And there's always the argument that family connections don't indicate a lack of talent. As an American Horror Story fan I like the performances of Billie Lourd who is the nepo baby of a nepo baby! So doctors or lawyers or accountants or engineers or chefs or yes actors or directors or pick a profession that follow their parents into the family business, that would be the “dark side” of the various businesses to you? If they get their jobs through who they know than yes. I have worked for two family businesses and one was a case of two many chiefs all going in different directions and the indians getting the blame. The other was so badly run the boss was told on regular occasions by people more professional and qualified than me to get rid of the '& Son.' As for working for a local authority - you've never seen such displays of confidence in people who have no reason to have it. On the flip side how would feel if you missed out on work because the employer had already favoured their offspring?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2023 17:18:11 GMT
So doctors or lawyers or accountants or engineers or chefs or yes actors or directors or pick a profession that follow their parents into the family business, that would be the “dark side” of the various businesses to you? If they get their jobs through who they know than yes. I have worked for two family businesses and one was a case of two many chiefs all going in different directions and the indians getting the blame. The other was so badly run the boss was told on regular occasions by people more professional and qualified than me to get rid of the '& Son.' As for working for a local authority - you've never seen such displays of confidence in people who have no reason to have it. On the flip side how would feel if you missed out on work because the employer had already favoured their offspring?i have. Not that big a deal to me.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Jan 24, 2023 17:27:49 GMT
If they get their jobs through who they know than yes. I have worked for two family businesses and one was a case of two many chiefs all going in different directions and the indians getting the blame. The other was so badly run the boss was told on regular occasions by people more professional and qualified than me to get rid of the '& Son.' As for working for a local authority - you've never seen such displays of confidence in people who have no reason to have it. On the flip side how would feel if you missed out on work because the employer had already favoured their offspring?i have. Not that big a deal to me. Obviously not or you wouldn't have made an issue of criticism of it in the first place.
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Post by The Brigadier on Jan 24, 2023 17:41:58 GMT
Steering the conversation gently back towards the actual subject of the thread... A question (or two) for those of you who have listened to this in full. The reviews I've seen are mixed - is Cass a good jumping on point for new listeners? Or should I pull the first volume from the darkest depths of the backlog and start from there? Short answer- yes, Cass is perfect new jumping on point. Only thing you need to know is that there is a slight nagging memory that there was somebody else (Bliss).
However. Sooner or later you might want to work your way through the others (even if most are not that good, compared to other 8th Doctor stuff), for the single reason that Volume 4 is EPIC. Terry Molloy is the best. But if I am perfectly honest, since Bliss and 8 are only side characters in the Davros story, you could just get Volume 4 anyways. (and I repeat again, while Cass is all nice and fun and games, it just does not play in the same league as that truly epic Davros story in volume 4).
The only truly great stories in this range before Volume 4, at least in my opinion, are Planet of the Ogrons and The War Valeyard.
Interesting..thanks for replying 😊
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2023 18:40:55 GMT
i have. Not that big a deal to me. Obviously not or you wouldn't have made an issue of criticism of it in the first place. I guess the thing to me is you are arguing against human nature. Most of us are hardwired to gravitate towards those things and/or people we are familiar and comfortable with. And we simply don’t know the dynamics of each individual case. Is it “fair?” I don’t know but then I don’t really know what constitutes fair anymore. Anyway, thanks for laying out your thinking on it. I appreciate it and respect your point of view.
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Post by The Matt on Jan 24, 2023 19:51:52 GMT
Steering the conversation gently back towards the actual subject of the thread... A question (or two) for those of you who have listened to this in full. The reviews I've seen are mixed - is Cass a good jumping on point for new listeners? Or should I pull the first volume from the darkest depths of the backlog and start from there? Short answer- yes, Cass is perfect new jumping on point. Only thing you need to know is that there is a slight nagging memory that there was somebody else (Bliss).
However. Sooner or later you might want to work your way through the others (even if most are not that good, compared to other 8th Doctor stuff), for the single reason that Volume 4 is EPIC. Terry Molloy is the best. But if I am perfectly honest, since Bliss and 8 are only side characters in the Davros story, you could just get Volume 4 anyways. (and I repeat again, while Cass is all nice and fun and games, it just does not play in the same league as that truly epic Davros story in volume 4).
The only truly great stories in this range before Volume 4, at least in my opinion, are Planet of the Ogrons and The War Valeyard.
I love Planet of the Ogrons “would you like satsuma?”
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Post by mark687 on Jan 24, 2023 21:06:31 GMT
Sorry I know its a tangent but its fascinating the responses against
Hypothetically then every Family In the Entertainment Industry has no right to multiple jobs in the industry? (massive gaps in it if that was the case) What about manufacture if a floor manager has to fill a job within a time and a family member applies, and had a higher technical college grade and could produce an item faster then anyone else in the vacancy period should they not get the job?
How about generational Farming?
Front line Emergency services? Regards
mark687
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Post by cwm on Jan 24, 2023 21:48:19 GMT
I don't think anyone's saying that people who are members of families who are part of the entertainment industry have no right to follow in their family's footsteps. The hypothetical scenario you give seems perfectly fine. The issue people have with "nepo babies" is the belief that they were allowed to jump the queue, or may not have been the best person for the job but got it because of their connections.
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