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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 1, 2023 9:06:34 GMT
RTD recently compared his plans to the Star Trek franchise, I wonder if recasting classic characters is on the cards, Star Trek has recast Kirk, Spock, etc in recent years, could we see more recast classic Doctors such as David Bradley.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 6, 2023 1:04:15 GMT
RTD recently compared his plans to the Star Trek franchise, I wonder if recasting classic characters is on the cards, Star Trek has recast Kirk, Spock, etc in recent years, could we see more recast classic Doctors such as David Bradley. Might be even more of a long-shot, but I'd love to see an anthology series, where the re-cast characters only show up for an episode or two, so you never go into a story knowing who to expect. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 6, 2023 9:49:19 GMT
RTD recently compared his plans to the Star Trek franchise, I wonder if recasting classic characters is on the cards, Star Trek has recast Kirk, Spock, etc in recent years, could we see more recast classic Doctors such as David Bradley. They caught lightning in a bottle with Pine, Mount and Peck - not so sure about the recasting of Uhura (either time) or Chapel though (that said, Chapel is BRILLIANTLY performed and an amazing character… just not Majel’s Chapel in any way). However… it’s 2023. Hartnell passed 50 odd years ago. Pertwee 30 odd. I’d not be sad to see a re-re-re-cast first Doctor or a re-cast UNIT team. |
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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 7, 2023 17:03:15 GMT
RTD recently compared his plans to the Star Trek franchise, I wonder if recasting classic characters is on the cards, Star Trek has recast Kirk, Spock, etc in recent years, could we see more recast classic Doctors such as David Bradley. They caught lightning in a bottle with Pine, Mount and Peck - not so sure about the recasting of Uhura (either time) or Chapel though (that said, Chapel is BRILLIANTLY performed and an amazing character… just not Majel’s Chapel in any way). However… it’s 2023. Hartnell passed 50 odd years ago. Pertwee 30 odd. I’d not be sad to see a re-re-re-cast first Doctor or a re-cast UNIT team. I agree regarding re-casts, I'm much more interested in seeing new stories with re-cast past Doctors than any new character RTD may create. I tune in for a time travelling ancient alien not a cop drama or high school shenanigans. Now if RTD wants to create a spin-off around another rogue Gallifrian I'm very interested. I couldn't be more bored by the usual TV dramas on offer at the moment, if the spin-off isn't heavy on Sci-Fi fantasy and alien worlds I'm not interested I'm definitely up for re-casts of Doctors 1 - 3 and perhaps a young War Doctor. I don't know if anyone could ever do the 4th Doctor justice, I'd dearly love new TV episodes with him but Tom Baker is one in a million. Doctors 5 - 7, I wouldn’t be against re-casts but perhaps only with the blessings of Davidson, Baker and McCoy. Paul Mcgann could probably still play the part of 8 but not for much longer. Eccleston will never return to the TV show, I'd be happy for a re-cast. Tennant is currently back, I would love a big enough gap in the specials to fit a few series of adventures before he regenerates into 15. Matt Smith is unlikely to return long term so again happy for a re-cast, Jacob Dudman anybody? Perhaps too soon for Capaldi onwards, also Capaldi is one I'd struggle to see recast. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 7, 2023 17:32:33 GMT
They caught lightning in a bottle with Pine, Mount and Peck - not so sure about the recasting of Uhura (either time) or Chapel though (that said, Chapel is BRILLIANTLY performed and an amazing character… just not Majel’s Chapel in any way). However… it’s 2023. Hartnell passed 50 odd years ago. Pertwee 30 odd. I’d not be sad to see a re-re-re-cast first Doctor or a re-cast UNIT team. I agree regarding re-casts, I'm much more interested in seeing new stories with re-cast past Doctors than any new character RTD may create. I tune in for a time travelling ancient alien not a cop drama or high school shenanigans. Now if RTD wants to create a spin-off around another rogue Gallifrian I'm very interested. I couldn't be more bored by the usual TV dramas on offer at the moment, if the spin-off isn't heavy on Sci-Fi fantasy and alien worlds I'm not interested I'm definitely up for re-casts of Doctors 1 - 3 and perhaps a young War Doctor. I don't know if anyone could ever do the 4th Doctor justice, I'd dearly love new TV episodes with him but Tom Baker is one in a million. Doctors 5 - 7, I wouldn’t be against re-casts but perhaps only with the blessings of Davidson, Baker and McCoy. Paul Mcgann could probably still play the part of 8 but not for much longer. Eccleston will never return to the TV show, I'd be happy for a re-cast. Tennant is currently back, I would love a big enough gap in the specials to fit a few series of adventures before he regenerates into 15. Matt Smith is unlikely to return long term so again happy for a re-cast, Jacob Dudman anybody? Perhaps too soon for Capaldi onwards, also Capaldi is one I'd struggle to see recast. I would hope that recasts for living doctors isn't something considered. Not only do I think that the show, and spin-offs, should push the show further and look to the future, not just the past, but recasting living actors that continue to play the roles on both audio and TV feels gross imo. And if RTD were to recast the Ninth Doctor for the TV show, that would be a very easy way for me to tune out, considering how badly treated Eccelston has been treated. |
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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 7, 2023 18:34:06 GMT
I agree regarding re-casts, I'm much more interested in seeing new stories with re-cast past Doctors than any new character RTD may create. I tune in for a time travelling ancient alien not a cop drama or high school shenanigans. Now if RTD wants to create a spin-off around another rogue Gallifrian I'm very interested. I couldn't be more bored by the usual TV dramas on offer at the moment, if the spin-off isn't heavy on Sci-Fi fantasy and alien worlds I'm not interested I'm definitely up for re-casts of Doctors 1 - 3 and perhaps a young War Doctor. I don't know if anyone could ever do the 4th Doctor justice, I'd dearly love new TV episodes with him but Tom Baker is one in a million. Doctors 5 - 7, I wouldn’t be against re-casts but perhaps only with the blessings of Davidson, Baker and McCoy. Paul Mcgann could probably still play the part of 8 but not for much longer. Eccleston will never return to the TV show, I'd be happy for a re-cast. Tennant is currently back, I would love a big enough gap in the specials to fit a few series of adventures before he regenerates into 15. Matt Smith is unlikely to return long term so again happy for a re-cast, Jacob Dudman anybody? Perhaps too soon for Capaldi onwards, also Capaldi is one I'd struggle to see recast. I would hope that recasts for living doctors isn't something considered. Not only do I think that the show, and spin-offs, should push the show further and look to the future, not just the past, but recasting living actors that continue to play the roles on both audio and TV feels gross imo. And if RTD were to recast the Ninth Doctor for the TV show, that would be a very easy way for me to tune out, considering how badly treated Eccelston has been treated. I understand why many would feel that way about recasting living actors, it's certainly something I would want to happen with the living actors blessings. I was thinking of the recasting in a similar way to how it's done with James Bond or characters like Kirk and Spock. With the James Bond role, it's a case of an older actor passing the torch to a younger actor. As Doctors 4 to 10 are currently working with Big Finish I can see why it's a controversial suggestion. With recent Doctors like Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi it's important to remember they chose to leave the role, they don't own the character, if they don't want to return then I feel a recast is a reasonable consideration. If the BBC/Big Finish want to tell more 11th/12th Doctor stories I'd always prefer the original actor but ultimately if there's a viable way to continue why should actors hold the franchise to ransom. With Spin-offs you have a point about moving forward, I suppose I love the idea of a different Doctor spread across multiple series throughout the year because I've been spoiled by Big Finish. My other view of Doctor Who Spin-offs is that what we've had before is in my opinion rather meh. I never got into Sarah Jane because it felt a bit too far aimed at a small children, I tried to get into Torchwood but it felt too much like a monster of the week cop show and Class again felt a bit Grange Hill. I'm open to Spin-offs with new characters but not if it's like what RTD did before. I want a show that goes places, with characters that don't feel trapped by the setting. If it's something like Big Finish’s War Master range then that would really interest me. A UNIT spin-off doesn't appeal to me because we've pretty much seen all that can offer when they've appeared on the main show. Hopefully with the many spin-off shows and movie franchises that have led the way since RTDs previous tenure, he'll have something more interesting in mind than a Torchwood/UNIT style show. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 7, 2023 18:54:16 GMT
I would hope that recasts for living doctors isn't something considered. Not only do I think that the show, and spin-offs, should push the show further and look to the future, not just the past, but recasting living actors that continue to play the roles on both audio and TV feels gross imo. And if RTD were to recast the Ninth Doctor for the TV show, that would be a very easy way for me to tune out, considering how badly treated Eccelston has been treated. I understand why many would feel that way about recasting living actors, it's certainly something I would want to happen with the living actors blessings. I was thinking of the recasting in a similar way to how it's done with James Bond or characters like Kirk and Spock. With the James Bond role, it's a case of an older actor passing the torch to a younger actor. As Doctors 4 to 10 are currently working with Big Finish I can see why it's a controversial suggestion. With recent Doctors like Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi it's important to remember they chose to leave the role, they don't own the character, if they don't want to return then I feel a recast is a reasonable consideration. If the BBC/Big Finish want to tell more 11th/12th Doctor stories I'd always prefer the original actor but ultimately if there's a viable way to continue why should actors hold the franchise to ransom. With Spin-offs you have a point about moving forward, I suppose I love the idea of a different Doctor spread across multiple series throughout the year because I've been spoiled by Big Finish. My other view of Doctor Who Spin-offs is that what we've had before is in my opinion rather meh. I never got into Sarah Jane because it felt a bit too far aimed at a small children, I tried to get into Torchwood but it felt too much like a monster of the week cop show and Class again felt a bit Grange Hill. I'm open to Spin-offs with new characters but not if it's like what RTD did before. I want a show that goes places, with characters that don't feel trapped by the setting. If it's something like Big Finish’s War Master range then that would really interest me. A UNIT spin-off doesn't appeal to me because we've pretty much seen all that can offer when they've appeared on the main show. Hopefully with the many spin-off shows and movie franchises that have led the way since RTDs previous tenure, he'll have something more interesting in mind than a Torchwood/UNIT style show. I appreciate the post, and I hope all of what I type is read as nothing more than a conversation, as I have found this to be an interesting point to discuss. However, I'll respond by each point and kind of give my reasoning why I disagree. With the point of a James Bond type recast, I would argue that regeneration is exactly that, an incumbent passing the role to a newcomer, but in the case of regeneration, the new actor has a chance to do something new. Ultimately, just recasting an actor to have the new actor play it exactly the same way is something I don't think works for Doctor Who on TV. With Smith and Capaldi(even if its contested whether Capaldi really got to choose if he was leaving), whether or not they chose to leave, by not returning, they aren't holding the show or Big Finish ransom at all. Not a single actor in Doctor Who owes it to anyone to come back whenever, and with Doctor Who, there are infinite stories, and infinite ways to tell that story, so I would struggle to see anyway that the story is actually handicapped by them not returning. In regards to how spin-offs are approached, I would say it's important to recognize that the shows would likely have lower budgets, and rightfully so, are skewing different demographics. The Sarah Jane Adventures were specifically made and targeted to a younger audience to have a show that could tell stories that are important to them. Class was made for a YA audience so that again, there is a show that is part of the franchise that can deal with YA issues and stories in a way that the main show can't when it's a show for the entire family. Torchwood is definitely a case of thinking mature means swearing, sex and blood, but within later seasons, and then into the shows RTD has done afterwards, there is a realization that they instead deal with adult subject matter in a measured way. So ultimately I'd argue that what you are looking for is just more Doctor Who, not Doctor Who spinoffs, which is fine, but they are two different things. |
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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 7, 2023 20:28:49 GMT
I understand why many would feel that way about recasting living actors, it's certainly something I would want to happen with the living actors blessings. I was thinking of the recasting in a similar way to how it's done with James Bond or characters like Kirk and Spock. With the James Bond role, it's a case of an older actor passing the torch to a younger actor. As Doctors 4 to 10 are currently working with Big Finish I can see why it's a controversial suggestion. With recent Doctors like Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi it's important to remember they chose to leave the role, they don't own the character, if they don't want to return then I feel a recast is a reasonable consideration. If the BBC/Big Finish want to tell more 11th/12th Doctor stories I'd always prefer the original actor but ultimately if there's a viable way to continue why should actors hold the franchise to ransom. With Spin-offs you have a point about moving forward, I suppose I love the idea of a different Doctor spread across multiple series throughout the year because I've been spoiled by Big Finish. My other view of Doctor Who Spin-offs is that what we've had before is in my opinion rather meh. I never got into Sarah Jane because it felt a bit too far aimed at a small children, I tried to get into Torchwood but it felt too much like a monster of the week cop show and Class again felt a bit Grange Hill. I'm open to Spin-offs with new characters but not if it's like what RTD did before. I want a show that goes places, with characters that don't feel trapped by the setting. If it's something like Big Finish’s War Master range then that would really interest me. A UNIT spin-off doesn't appeal to me because we've pretty much seen all that can offer when they've appeared on the main show. Hopefully with the many spin-off shows and movie franchises that have led the way since RTDs previous tenure, he'll have something more interesting in mind than a Torchwood/UNIT style show. I appreciate the post, and I hope all of what I type is read as nothing more than a conversation, as I have found this to be an interesting point to discuss. However, I'll respond by each point and kind of give my reasoning why I disagree. With the point of a James Bond type recast, I would argue that regeneration is exactly that, an incumbent passing the role to a newcomer, but in the case of regeneration, the new actor has a chance to do something new. Ultimately, just recasting an actor to have the new actor play it exactly the same way is something I don't think works for Doctor Who on TV. With Smith and Capaldi(even if its contested whether Capaldi really got to choose if he was leaving), whether or not they chose to leave, by not returning, they aren't holding the show or Big Finish ransom at all. Not a single actor in Doctor Who owes it to anyone to come back whenever, and with Doctor Who, there are infinite stories, and infinite ways to tell that story, so I would struggle to see anyway that the story is actually handicapped by them not returning. In regards to how spin-offs are approached, I would say it's important to recognize that the shows would likely have lower budgets, and rightfully so, are skewing different demographics. The Sarah Jane Adventures were specifically made and targeted to a younger audience to have a show that could tell stories that are important to them. Class was made for a YA audience so that again, there is a show that is part of the franchise that can deal with YA issues and stories in a way that the main show can't when it's a show for the entire family. Torchwood is definitely a case of thinking mature means swearing, sex and blood, but within later seasons, and then into the shows RTD has done afterwards, there is a realization that they instead deal with adult subject matter in a measured way. So ultimately I'd argue that what you are looking for is just more Doctor Who, not Doctor Who spinoffs, which is fine, but they are two different things. I agree it's an interesting conversation, in terms of best serving the larger audience audience I mostly agree with all your points. When saying the actor is holding producers to ransom I was probably not using the right phrase, I guess I mean it's a shame that sometimes the actor has decided to stop playing the part but the writer/creator may have more stories they wanted to tell, I imagine Steven Moffat would have rather had more than just a Xmas Special to conclude the 11th Doctors arc. You're absolutely right in pointing out I just want more Doctor Who in terms of Spin-offs, or variations of the show, for example a Master spin off or more adult time travel drama. One of the main reasons I want to see a return of past Doctors on TV is that from time to time I haven't enjoyed some of the Doctors and if this happens again I would then have my Doctor Who fix from a previous Doctor. I was fine with the Doctor's gender changing but I didn't care for the 13th Doctor's character, so for Jodie's tenure the TV show just wasn't for me, just a matter of taste and no criticism of her as an actor or Chibnall's writing. So I guess I worry I'll have to sit out another 3 series and a Doctor based spin-off would satisfy my needs. It's interesting with fandom about where the line in the sand is with re-casts and recons. In an ideal world we'd get more time with beloved characters. Another interesting area with Spin-offs is what makes them a good or bad premise, for me the link to the main show needs to be solid, at least in the beginning. I suppose if RTD creates a character that appears in a couple of episodes of the main show, is that really a spin-off or a gimmick to sell an original premise. At the end of the day, a spin-off has to appeal to an audience of millions, I'm sure my preferences would be shared by a minority, which with franchises like Doctor Who and Star Wars can lead to disaster. |
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Post by mark687 on Feb 27, 2023 16:21:34 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Mar 7, 2023 13:44:33 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Mar 15, 2023 1:15:34 GMT
Well, here we go! It seems we will be getting an UNIT spinoff! |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 15, 2023 2:07:54 GMT
Well, here we go! It seems we will be getting an UNIT spinoff! PHEW ! and YAY  |
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 15, 2023 3:38:22 GMT
Well, here we go! It seems we will be getting an UNIT spinoff! Which means that the big finish new series UNIT spin off is going to be rested hopefully that means we will get a 70s UNIT audio series instead |
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Post by The Brigadier on Mar 15, 2023 9:33:56 GMT
Well, here we go! It seems we will be getting an UNIT spinoff! I hope this is true as there is a lot of potential in the idea of a UNIT spin off (not to mention a lot of background history already established), but as I am highly sceptical of anything reported as fact by the British press I'm inclined to wait for an official announcement from RTD or the BBC first. |
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Post by mark687 on Mar 15, 2023 10:48:36 GMT
It would be interesting to see if it was BBC 1/BBC 3 broadcast and wether any Fan theory or BF backstory is used.
Regards
mark687
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Post by martinw8686 on Mar 15, 2023 14:24:10 GMT
I enjoy UNIT in small doses, obviously this is featuring the Doctor, so a UNIT spin-off would hopefully have a different dynamic.
I found that the Pertwee UNIT/Earth exile became a bit samey. At the time, I think they mined the Invasion/conspiracy/Delgado Master storylines dry.
I'd hope that with it's own spin-off, there'd be more room to play with the format and story arcs.
Also it would be pretty cool to see a UNIT show lead into a feature length Doctor Who team up.
How cool would it be to see Kate Stewart in a sort of Nick Fury role, linking the various Whoniverse teams towards an Endgame style event.
Doctor Who: Endgame: featuring;
the 10th (14th?), 11th and 15th Doctor
Companions Assembled (from Susan to Yaz)
Kate, Osgood and UNIT
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Post by agentten on Mar 15, 2023 17:07:07 GMT
Delighted by prospect of a UNIT spinoff. Should have happened years ago!
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Post by masterdoctor on Mar 15, 2023 17:12:49 GMT
As long as Osgood is still Kate’s second hand, I’m happy. But after the UNIT audios series more than proved Redgrave can lead. Oth UNIT and a series, I look forward to it immensely. I do hope it’s not purely just one long storyline and there are individual episodes.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 15, 2023 18:54:41 GMT
I wholeheartedly endorse this idea
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 16, 2023 4:01:52 GMT
I wholeheartedly endorse this idea I once had a dream about an Iris Wildthyme TV series (Panda was played by a koala). In the dream I randomly catch part of the show, thinking “hey, it’s nice to see Katy on TV … HOLY SMEG ITS A BUS BEING DRIVEN BY A KOALA…. GOOD LORD ITS IRIS WILDTHYME!!!” |
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