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Post by artist on Feb 1, 2023 12:54:55 GMT
Hello, could anyone advise me? I’d like to listen to the Lucie Miller / to the Death pair of stories, as they are so well reviewed, but I’ve not listened to any of the rest of series 4. Are there any other series 4 stories that I’d need to listen to in order to follow those final two stories.
Would I need to listen to the whole of series 4? Is it basically one continuous story?
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Post by mark687 on Feb 1, 2023 13:35:26 GMT
Hello, could anyone advise me? I’d like to listen to the Lucie Miller / to the Death pair of stories, as they are so well reviewed, but I’ve not listened to any of the rest of series 4. Are there any other series 4 stories that I’d need to listen to in order to follow those final two stories. Would I need to listen to the whole of series 4? Is it basically one continuous story? Yes basically its a Series Arc from Death in Blackpool onwards Lucie Miller/To the Death have all the Spoilers from it in them. Regards mark687 |
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Post by sidestep on Feb 1, 2023 14:06:49 GMT
I only listened to An Earthly Child before listening to the 2 part finale & wish I’d waited to get series 2-4. But they were never on sale. (& I needed to listen to those as prerequisite for Susan’s War).
& I only recently got to listen to 4.7 Relative Dimensions.
Anyhow, chiming in, yes, listen to everything before the finale. 👍🏻
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Post by elkawho on Feb 1, 2023 18:27:55 GMT
Listen to it all! I would say that the specific arc actually starts in The Zygon Who Fell To Earth, gets picked up again in Death in Blackpool and goes from there. But is really is the culmination of the entire EDAs.
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Post by Alastair on Feb 1, 2023 18:49:08 GMT
If you would like the feeling of a complete arc, without the sense you’ve missed anything, I highly recommend this path:
Optional:
- Blood of the Daleks 1 & 2 (free if you’re on Spotify, as is the rest of season 1). Just for the pleasure of bookending your listen-through with the introduction of a new companion.
- If you haven’t seen it, it might be fun to watch The Time Meddler for extra context.
Earlier stories that lead into this arc:
- S1: Horror of Glam Rock
- S2: The Zygon who Fell to Earth
- An Earthly Child
And then, as advised above, all of season 4.
Unsolicited extra advice for when you’re done:
If you’re continuing on to Susan’s War afterwards, you’ll probably find it a more fulfilling experience if you make a quick detour via:
- TV: The Sensorites
- Short Trip: All Hands on Deck
Also: A lot of the events of Lucie Miller / To The Death are now common knowledge, but if you’re lucky enough not to have been spoiled: definitely avoid the start of Dark Eyes.
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Post by artist on Feb 3, 2023 16:35:35 GMT
Thanks everyone, I feared that might be the case, I can’t afford them all at the unfortunately. So maybe it’s best to give those two stories a miss for a while. Something to keep in mind for the future though.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 4, 2023 1:54:00 GMT
The Lucie Miller 8DAs were actually some of the first audios I listened to, so it's been a good three or four years for me, so I may not remember too well... BUT -- as I recall -- there really wasn't much of an arc to 'em (there very seldom is, even when fans purport otherwise). You'll mainly just want to be sure to hit on the big, character-heavy episodes, of which the ones that stick out the most in my memory are An Earthly Child (initial follow-up on Susan) and the two-parter consisting of The Zygon Who Fell To Earth and The Horror of Glam Rock. Not sure if the latter was a proper two parter or more of a story with a belated sequel, but regardless, I remember it as being one of my very favorite stories of that span. And, of course, you'll also want to listen to Lucie Miller's introductory story, too, which is... Bloods of the Daleks, I think. So for the full "arc" -- or, rather, sequence -- I'd recommend: - Blood Of the Daleks 1
- Blood Of The Daleks 2
- The Horror Of Glam Rock
- The Zygon Who Fell To Earth
- An Earthly Child
- Lucie Miller
- To The Death
And it's possible (even, potentially, probable) that I'm misremembering, but I'd even go so far as to say that this sequence of stories represents the best of the early 8DAs, and that none of the others are really worth going too far out of your way to listen to. This is an area of the 8th Doctor's timeline that I, personally, find a bit... not super great in comparison to what came before (in the MR) and later (Boxset Era). These are really the only Lucie Miller-era stories I'd deem essential.
And after To The Death, you may also want to take a look at Dark Eyes (a very YMMV series, but the first boxset, at least, is solid) and jump ahead to the later stuff with Susan -- sadly just Susan's War (which is fantastic) and that one Short Trip so far, but I'm very hopeful Big Finish'll do more with Carol Ann Ford soon.
EDIT: Just to emphasize, there's no real arc here. I'd recommend at least picking up the pair of Blood of the Daleks stories while they're on sale, and leave the others for later. If nothing else they'll at least give you an idea of whether or not you like Lucie Miller (and if you decide you don't, you can always give Zygon and Glam Rock a pass).
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Post by elkawho on Feb 4, 2023 15:46:40 GMT
The Lucie Miller 8DAs were actually some of the first audios I listened to, so it's been a good three or four years for me, so I may not remember too well... BUT -- as I recall -- there really wasn't much of an arc to 'em (there very seldom is, even when fans purport otherwise). You'll mainly just want to be sure to hit on the big, character-heavy episodes, of which the ones that stick out the most in my memory are An Earthly Child (initial follow-up on Susan) and the two-parter consisting of The Zygon Who Fell To Earth and The Horror of Glam Rock. Not sure if the latter was a proper two parter or more of a story with a belated sequel, but regardless, I remember it as being one of my very favorite stories of that span. And, of course, you'll also want to listen to Lucie Miller's introductory story, too, which is... Bloods of the Daleks, I think. So for the full "arc" -- or, rather, sequence -- I'd recommend: - Blood Of the Daleks 1
- Blood Of The Daleks 2
- The Horror Of Glam Rock
- The Zygon Who Fell To Earth
- An Earthly Child
- Lucie Miller
- To The Death
And it's possible (even, potentially, probable) that I'm misremembering, but I'd even go so far as to say that this sequence of stories represents the best of the early 8DAs, and that none of the others are really worth going too far out of your way to listen to. This is an area of the 8th Doctor's timeline that I, personally, find a bit... not super great in comparison to what came before (in the MR) and later (Boxset Era). These are really the only Lucie Miller-era stories I'd deem essential.
And after To The Death, you may also want to take a look at Dark Eyes (a very YMMV series, but the first boxset, at least, is solid) and jump ahead to the later stuff with Susan -- sadly just Susan's War (which is fantastic) and that one Short Trip so far, but I'm very hopeful Big Finish'll do more with Carol Ann Ford soon.
EDIT: Just to emphasize, there's no real arc here. I'd recommend at least picking up the pair of Blood of the Daleks stories while they're on sale, and leave the others for later. If nothing else they'll at least give you an idea of whether or not you like Lucie Miller (and if you decide you don't, you can always give Zygon and Glam Rock a pass).
Ok, so this is where I will have to disagree with you. I find the EDAs one of my favorite eras of the 8th Doctor and Big Finish. The chemistry between Paul McGann and Sheridan Smith is palpable. And although the stories are short, I find that there is a huge variety and a lot less Eighth Doctor angst, and I love that. I also disagree that there is no arc in the series. It may not be as heavy an arc as in the recent box set era, but it is certainly there. I don't really love Horror of Glam Rock and I don't think it's absolutely necessary as part of the overall arc. It basically just serves as an introduction to Auntie Pat. Her place in the arc doesn't really happen until The Zygon Who Fell To Earth. But that story sets in motion events that then kick off in Death in Blackpool. What happens between The Doctor and his companion over the rest of the series set the stage for the final story. Yes, the stories are still mainly episodic in nature, but they do build to a final conclusion that is informed by what has just gone on in many of those episodes. (I'm trying to remain as spoiler-free as possible.)For example, you can enjoy episodes like The Book of Kells without knowing what has previously happened, but you understand that ending a whole lot better if you do. There are events that start in Situation Vacant that have repercussions that echo throughout the rest of the series and come to head at the end. So, yeah, I do believe that the majority of that last series is essential for the full effect. (And even just for some fun. I think The Cannibalists is one of my favorite stories from that whole series. I just love it. ) |
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Post by sidestep on Feb 4, 2023 17:26:01 GMT
Thanks everyone, I feared that might be the case, I can’t afford them all at the unfortunately. So maybe it’s best to give those two stories a miss for a while. Something to keep in mind for the future though. Some 8th Doctor Adventures are free on Spotify. |
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 6, 2023 0:36:11 GMT
The Lucie Miller 8DAs were actually some of the first audios I listened to, so it's been a good three or four years for me, so I may not remember too well... Ok, so this is where I will have to disagree with you. I find the EDAs one of my favorite eras of the 8th Doctor and Big Finish. The chemistry between Paul McGann and Sheridan Smith is palpable. And although the stories are short, I find that there is a huge variety and a lot less Eighth Doctor angst, and I love that. I also disagree that there is no arc in the series. It may not be as heavy an arc as in the recent box set era, but it is certainly there. I don't really love Horror of Glam Rock and I don't think it's absolutely necessary as part of the overall arc. It basically just serves as an introduction to Auntie Pat. Her place in the arc doesn't really happen until The Zygon Who Fell To Earth. But that story sets in motion events that then kick off in Death in Blackpool. What happens between The Doctor and his companion over the rest of the series set the stage for the final story. Yes, the stories are still mainly episodic in nature, but they do build to a final conclusion that is informed by what has just gone on in many of those episodes. (I'm trying to remain as spoiler-free as possible.)For example, you can enjoy episodes like The Book of Kells without knowing what has previously happened, but you understand that ending a whole lot better if you do. There are events that start in Situation Vacant that have repercussions that echo throughout the rest of the series and come to head at the end. So, yeah, I do believe that the majority of that last series is essential for the full effect. (And even just for some fun. I think The Cannibalists is one of my favorite stories from that whole series. I just love it. ) I mean, yeah, I think I'm definitely in the minority among fans when it comes to what I think qualifies (and doesn't qualify) as an arc. I'd argue, even, that the vast majority of boxset series don't have arcs, either. Character development/continuity going from story to story is great and I love it, but it's not really the same thing as a proper story arc. On Glam Rock, I'll agree that it's not a great story, but I think it's pretty necessary as it lays down the foundation of Lucie's relationship with her aunt, without which the events of Zygon would have considerably less impact. Anyway, on the 8DAs in general... well, like I said, it's been a long time since I've listened to them -- and as I'm often emphasizing -- my memory ain't great, especially if I'm not, you know, writing things down. I do intend to relisten to those stores someday, and perhaps my opinion will change -- it certainly wouldn't be the first time. But, generally, when I think back on those stories, I mostly just remember the ones I really liked... and the ones I really, really didn't like (EG Max Warp, which took me several days to get through, it was such a slog). Oh, and also? Yeah, Cannibalists was fantastic. |
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Post by elkawho on Feb 6, 2023 12:30:43 GMT
Ok, so this is where I will have to disagree with you. I find the EDAs one of my favorite eras of the 8th Doctor and Big Finish. The chemistry between Paul McGann and Sheridan Smith is palpable. And although the stories are short, I find that there is a huge variety and a lot less Eighth Doctor angst, and I love that. I also disagree that there is no arc in the series. It may not be as heavy an arc as in the recent box set era, but it is certainly there. I don't really love Horror of Glam Rock and I don't think it's absolutely necessary as part of the overall arc. It basically just serves as an introduction to Auntie Pat. Her place in the arc doesn't really happen until The Zygon Who Fell To Earth. But that story sets in motion events that then kick off in Death in Blackpool. What happens between The Doctor and his companion over the rest of the series set the stage for the final story. Yes, the stories are still mainly episodic in nature, but they do build to a final conclusion that is informed by what has just gone on in many of those episodes. (I'm trying to remain as spoiler-free as possible.)For example, you can enjoy episodes like The Book of Kells without knowing what has previously happened, but you understand that ending a whole lot better if you do. There are events that start in Situation Vacant that have repercussions that echo throughout the rest of the series and come to head at the end. So, yeah, I do believe that the majority of that last series is essential for the full effect. (And even just for some fun. I think The Cannibalists is one of my favorite stories from that whole series. I just love it. ) I mean, yeah, I think I'm definitely in the minority among fans when it comes to what I think qualifies (and doesn't qualify) as an arc. I'd argue, even, that the vast majority of boxset series don't have arcs, either. Character development/continuity going from story to story is great and I love it, but it's not really the same thing as a proper story arc. On Glam Rock, I'll agree that it's not a great story, but I think it's pretty necessary as it lays down the foundation of Lucie's relationship with her aunt, without which the events of Zygon would have considerably less impact. Anyway, on the 8DAs in general... well, like I said, it's been a long time since I've listened to them -- and as I'm often emphasizing -- my memory ain't great, especially if I'm not, you know, writing things down. I do intend to relisten to those stores someday, and perhaps my opinion will change -- it certainly wouldn't be the first time. But, generally, when I think back on those stories, I mostly just remember the ones I really liked... and the ones I really, really didn't like (EG Max Warp, which took me several days to get through, it was such a slog). Oh, and also? Yeah, Cannibalists was fantastic. And I think Max Warp is great. Just a terrifically fun ride. Ha! Glad we both can agree on The Cannibalists. |
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