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Post by bobod on Jan 12, 2016 10:19:28 GMT
Hell could have frozen over and it is Adric & 4. Hell doesn't need to, Tom's expressed great intrest in working with Matthew again I think 'great interest' might be over-selling it. Tom said he'd be happy to. (It was me he first said it to and I then relayed that to Nick.) I so wish they'd do this...
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Post by bobod on Jan 12, 2016 10:23:05 GMT
Oh, Colin's voice has aged a lot over the last two/three years. There's an roughness that wasn't there before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 11:28:06 GMT
What if it's not even with the 5th Doctor? It could be a School Reunion-type 10th Doctor adventure where 10 meets him. The show is about time travel after all so Adric could meet 10 before he snuffed it . We all get you prefer the post 2005 stuff, most of us like it all, not everything has to have a post 2005 element in it!
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It could work though, time lord triumphant decides to right his wrongs and rescue Adric from the crashimg ship, finally realising that the weight of a teenage boy probably didn't make the difference between the dinosaurs dying out and not doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 11:34:50 GMT
Oh, Colin's voice has aged a lot over the last two/three years. There's an roughness that wasn't there before. Really? Huh... I'll have to go back over some of the more recent stuff; I don't think I've ever noticed it.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 12, 2016 11:53:35 GMT
We all get you prefer the post 2005 stuff, most of us like it all, not everything has to have a post 2005 element in it!
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It could work though, time lord triumphant decides to right his wrongs and rescue Adric from the crashimg ship, finally realising that the weight of a teenage boy probably didn't make the difference between the dinosaurs dying out and not doing. I take it you've not heard {Spoiler} The Boy that Time Forgot
then?
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Post by bobod on Jan 12, 2016 12:24:40 GMT
Oh, Colin's voice has aged a lot over the last two/three years. There's an roughness that wasn't there before. Really? Huh... I'll have to go back over some of the more recent stuff; I don't think I've ever noticed it. Someone I know listened to their first BF in years and couldn't believe the change in the age in Colin's voice. (Not a criticism of Colin himself obviously.)
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 12, 2016 12:50:08 GMT
Excellent news, i don't think Adric is all that bad a character.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 12, 2016 14:23:33 GMT
What if it's not even with the 5th Doctor? It could be a School Reunion-type 10th Doctor adventure where 10 meets him. The show is about time travel after all so Adric could meet 10 before he snuffed it . We all get you prefer the post 2005 stuff, most of us like it all, not everything has to have a post 2005 element in it!
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But with Big Finish acquiring the new series license, it opens up more opportunities to explore. 10's also the best Doctor to have meet past companions.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 12, 2016 14:25:59 GMT
What if it's not even with the 5th Doctor? It could be a School Reunion-type 10th Doctor adventure where 10 meets him. The show is about time travel after all so Adric could meet 10 before he snuffed it . The Boy That Time Forgot has a post-Earthshock Adric portrayed by Andrew Sachs for that one story, (in an alternative timeline where he solved the Cybermen's logic codes and didn't die), but it's not a well-received take on the character. Some of the behind the scenes content (notably with Peter and Sarah) also isn't very charitable towards Mr Waterhouse, so it's good we have far better stories with Adric. The views of Matthew Waterhouse held by Peter, Janet and Sarah at the time of production aren't entirely positive, and their treatment of him in DVD commentaries isn't always comfortable listening. I was talking about a pre-Earthshock Adric though, not an alternative storyline.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 12, 2016 14:38:13 GMT
The Boy That Time Forgot has a post-Earthshock Adric portrayed by Andrew Sachs for that one story, (in an alternative timeline where he solved the Cybermen's logic codes and didn't die), but it's not a well-received take on the character. Some of the behind the scenes content (notably with Peter and Sarah) also isn't very charitable towards Mr Waterhouse, so it's good we have far better stories with Adric. The views of Matthew Waterhouse held by Peter, Janet and Sarah at the time of production aren't entirely positive, and their treatment of him in DVD commentaries isn't always comfortable listening. I was talking about a pre-Earthshock Adric though, not an alternative storyline. I'm unsure how that'd work well. And we did have a future Doctor meet Adric already.
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Post by bobod on Jan 12, 2016 14:38:32 GMT
Occam's Razor will tend in general to apply though.
Why's that?
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Post by randomjc on Jan 12, 2016 14:42:55 GMT
Occam's Razor will tend in general to apply though. Why's that? Because Family Reunion, I guess. 10s also the most emotional Doctor. Which is why I always liked 7 seeing Adric, a more distant emotionally Doctor confronting one of his biggest failures has more punch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 14:49:58 GMT
Interesting about the changing actor's voices above. I've not noticed Colin's voice change much myself as I have each and every release of his so any change would sound more gradual. As Bobod says, someone who hasn't hear him in years would be much more qualified to judge. Also agree on Deborah Watling. I know she's supposed to be older in a story like Power Play but, honestly, she didn't sound like the same person at all. Everyone of that era sounds older, sure, but Deb is the only one I wouldn't recognise if she phoned my mobile. Davison was always the Doctor who's voice has aged the most since BF kicked off - the smoking will do that! - but again, since I was always familiar with A Very Peculiar Practice, The raithwaites, Campion and The Last Detective...it's never seemed an abrupt change. I think we all, as listeners but mostly as fans, get over the changing voices quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 14:55:20 GMT
We all get you prefer the post 2005 stuff, most of us like it all, not everything has to have a post 2005 element in it!
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It could work though, time lord triumphant decides to right his wrongs and rescue Adric from the crashimg ship, finally realising that the weight of a teenage boy probably didn't make the difference between the dinosaurs dying out and not doing. I'm still with Tegan on this - the ship was crashing ANYWAY. Adrics presence on board being taken out of the equation wouldn't have saved the dinosaurs. Five could have went in for him and - if it were the new series - 100% would have. However, JNT wanted the shocking ending.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 12, 2016 14:58:26 GMT
It could work though, time lord triumphant decides to right his wrongs and rescue Adric from the crashimg ship, finally realising that the weight of a teenage boy probably didn't make the difference between the dinosaurs dying out and not doing. I'm still with Tegan on this - the ship was crashing ANYWAY. Adrics presence on board being taken out of the equation wouldn't have saved the dinosaurs. Five could have went in for him and - if it were the new series - 100% would have. However, JNT wanted the shocking ending. Which would make me want to see if things would have been worse, that Adric stopped something worse with his actions. (I don't know, I'm spitballing. It's too teach the Doctor he can't save everyone.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 15:09:20 GMT
I'm still with Tegan on this - the ship was crashing ANYWAY. Adrics presence on board being taken out of the equation wouldn't have saved the dinosaurs. Five could have went in for him and - if it were the new series - 100% would have. However, JNT wanted the shocking ending. Which would make me want to see if things would have been worse, that Adric stopped something worse with his actions. (I don't know, I'm spitballing. It's too teach the Doctor he can't save everyone.) I think he knows that anyway, doing his best and not being able to save everyone has been part of the Doctor's m.o. for half a century. "He was dead already, I'm trying to save us" as Capaldi's Doc put it wonderfully in Into The Dalek.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 12, 2016 15:15:01 GMT
Which would make me want to see if things would have been worse, that Adric stopped something worse with his actions. (I don't know, I'm spitballing. It's too teach the Doctor he can't save everyone.) I think he knows that anyway, doing his best and not being able to save everyone has been part of the Doctor's m.o. for half a century. "He was dead already, I'm trying to save us" as Capaldi's Doc put it wonderfully in Into The Dalek. The later day 10, Time Lord Victorious? The one who would try to change the fixed point in Waters of Mars. It fits him to go back and try and Save Adric. And having that go badly fits the theme put forth in Waters of Mars
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jan 12, 2016 15:17:30 GMT
Occam's Razor will tend in general to apply though. Why's that? Because Family Reunion, I guess. 10s also the most emotional Doctor. Which is why I always liked 7 seeing Adric, a more distant emotionally Doctor confronting one of his biggest failures has more punch. Honestly, the Eleventh Doctor seems to me the only suitable NuWho Doctor to meet Adric (And Nyssa too, by the events of The Entropy Plague). After all, he gets along well with the young people. And just as the Seventh Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor is also an emotionally distant Doctor, is the man who wants to forget his painful past.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 12, 2016 15:20:57 GMT
Because Family Reunion, I guess. 10s also the most emotional Doctor. Which is why I always liked 7 seeing Adric, a more distant emotionally Doctor confronting one of his biggest failures has more punch. Honestly, the Eleventh Doctor seems to me the only suitable NuWho Doctor to meet Adric (And Nyssa too, by the events of The Entropy Plague). After all, he gets along well with the young people. And just as the Seventh Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor is also an emotionally distant Doctor, is the man who wants to forget his painful past. I don't disagree, but either the twelfth or war doctor would be interesting meeting Adric. (Not that I think they should, but Interesting if it occurred.)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 12, 2016 16:07:57 GMT
Because when 10 meets a past companion, David Tennant's Whovian side comes out and you can really see (or if it were an audio, you'd hear) how glad he is to see the companion again. You don't really get that with any other Doctor IMO.
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