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Post by omega on Jan 13, 2016 21:40:57 GMT
I thought that the cliffhanger from Well-Mannered War was going to be addressed in next year's set of stories, set during season 18.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 13, 2016 21:46:19 GMT
What makes you think it's happening *at all*? Because, it has to, doesn't it? You don't produce a cliffhanger like that and tantalise an audience for more then a year and do nothing about it, More than a year? its been nearly 20 years since the book came out!
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Post by omega on Jan 13, 2016 21:52:48 GMT
Because, it has to, doesn't it? You don't produce a cliffhanger like that and tantalise an audience for more then a year and do nothing about it, More than a year? its been nearly 20 years since the book came out! Wasn't the cliffhanger a commentary from Gareth Roberts about how he saw everything from the JNT era onwards? And he must have been aware that he probably wouldn't get another opportunity to continue on from that (Well-Mannered War was the final Missing Adventure published), so it's most likely his attempt at going all meta.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 13, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 13, 2016 22:16:19 GMT
A boxset set between Well Mannered War & Leisure Hive gives Big Finish a blank canvas to do something completely original or unique with the Fourth Doctor & Romana. Yeah the novels been out ages but i think this would be a great follow-up & answer the question of how the Doctor survived, I'm a Fourth Doctor fan & wanted to know for year's how he escaped this dilemma. This is what I am hoping for as well. Why the change to just one outfit and why the question marks!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 22:23:19 GMT
Because, it has to, doesn't it? You don't produce a cliffhanger like that and tantalise an audience for more then a year and do nothing about it, More than a year? its been nearly 20 years since the book came out! As I said before, forget the context of the original novel and the intention behind it. While I understand many want the ending left alone for nostalgic reasons, Big Finish can't really play into that. Maybe back in The Wilderness years, but certiantly not now when Who is hot. As I said before, for many customers, this was their first experience of the tale and naturally, they are expecting some sort of follow-up (for them, that ending is VERY much about Four becoming his series eighteen self), particularly given the attention Tom's releases recieve and this year's finale and the placement of this year's stories, next year's forey into Series 18 and the beginnings of Four's melchaony emerging in this month's release and the new customers coming in from the revival series releases.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 13, 2016 22:42:50 GMT
I thought this was a fantastic audio, everyone sounded great and it's a really good story.
I should listen again before I actually think this but I'm wondering if the characterization wasn't slightly off? I thought there was room for how Romana behaves in the story (cute, actually) but I think I like for Doctor Tom to drop the glibness for just long enough to help encourage us to take the villains seriously, and I'm not sure if that really happened here because while it was a wonderful romp, I think I had trouble taking the menace of the story seriously and I really shouldn't have - actually quite a scary proposition (and a great premise) if you think about it.
That said, I nonetheless thought Justin Richards did an excellent job with the Fourth Doctors' quirkiness here to have it well pronounced but not have it come across as gratuitous or trite. All in all a smashing start to the season as far as I'm concerned, and a lot of fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 2:34:55 GMT
A boxset set between Well Mannered War & Leisure Hive gives Big Finish a blank canvas to do something completely original or unique with the Fourth Doctor & Romana. Yeah the novels been out ages but i think this would be a great follow-up & answer the question of how the Doctor survived, I'm a Fourth Doctor fan & wanted to know for year's how he escaped this dilemma. It would also be a nice jumping on point for new listeners, similar to The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure. Also, oi, Time Lord, you haven't recieved this month's release!
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 14, 2016 6:27:51 GMT
A boxset set between Well Mannered War & Leisure Hive gives Big Finish a blank canvas to do something completely original or unique with the Fourth Doctor & Romana. Yeah the novels been out ages but i think this would be a great follow-up & answer the question of how the Doctor survived, I'm a Fourth Doctor fan & wanted to know for year's how he escaped this dilemma. It would also be a nice jumping on point for new listeners, similar to The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure. Also, oi, Time Lord, you haven't recieved this month's release! Not yet but i been notified that the CD's have been dispatched & are on the way, i really need some audio drama distractions at the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 6:38:53 GMT
More than a year? its been nearly 20 years since the book came out! Wasn't the cliffhanger a commentary from Gareth Roberts about how he saw everything from the JNT era onwards? And he must have been aware that he probably wouldn't get another opportunity to continue on from that (Well-Mannered War was the final Missing Adventure published), so it's most likely his attempt at going all meta. Yes, it's all coming back to me now. The conceit in the original novel was that everything after Shada happened in the land of fiction because the author hated JNT who so much. While it would be nice to have this addressed in some way by Big Finish, I don't think it meeds to link in to the more sombre Doctor seen in the Leisure Hive.
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Post by bobod on Jan 14, 2016 9:19:09 GMT
More than a year? its been nearly 20 years since the book came out! As I said before, forget the context of the original novel and the intention behind it. No, quite the opposite! Other people should appreciate the original novel and the intention behind it. It's the novel adaptation range - This is the NOVEL ADAPTATIONS range. People know what they're getting - they're getting an adaptation of a novel. It stands as it is.
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Post by bobod on Jan 14, 2016 9:21:02 GMT
Anyway back to Wave of Destruction... It'll be feeling neglected in its own thread.
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Post by ljwilson on Jan 14, 2016 9:34:55 GMT
It will indeed! I was laughing my head off at various points in this and thought it was just magnificent, all the characters were well crafted and the whole thing had a real fun vibe about it.
Out of all the BF ranges, i do love the humour of the 4th Doctor - he gets it wrong quite often with his first thought and is able to manoeuver back in to position fairly sharpish, and some of the lines are hilarious.
'Margaret is it..?' 'No sir, Mable' 'Yes, i thought so...' (From the Auntie Matter)
Brilliant music, jingles and sound design. A 9 out of 10 from me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 10:27:40 GMT
As I said before, forget the context of the original novel and the intention behind it. No, quite the opposite! Other people should appreciate the original novel and the intention behind it. It's the novel adaptation range - This is the NOVEL ADAPTATIONS range. People know what they're getting - they're getting an adaptation of a novel. It stands as it is. Except the range doesn't simply exist for nostalgic fans, it exists to introduce these tales to customers who were unfarmaliar with the novels. Including the original context of that ending. It also chose attention grabbing releases to attract fans to the range. Ace leaves The Doctor, The Doctor meets Sherlock Holmes, Macbeth reneacted on an alien planet, an unknown Russell T Davies Doctor Who story to many etc. It's not a range which is catering to a specific solitary audience. Even the out of order New Adventures adapations serve a purpose in feeding into The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to new fans - just how did this TARDIS team come together etc, how did Ace forgive The Doctor? etc. It's a story unexperienced by many and Big Finish are playing it smart in introducing Benny to new customers. It's also important to remember that the Gareth Roberts adapations were the launching point for Fourth Doctor and Second Romana material at Big Finish - a significant jumping on point for many and attention grabbing releases for more casual customers. Not following up on that cliffhanger would be a bad and confusing move for such customers, particularly given the hype around this year's finale and the series eighteen stories and it'd be an odd move indeed with Big Finish trying to make their stories more approachable to new customers, particularly in light of the revival licencise releases. Also, the Fourth Doctor releases are big draw releases as well for new and casual customers, as well
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Post by bobod on Jan 14, 2016 11:04:59 GMT
No, quite the opposite! Other people should appreciate the original novel and the intention behind it. It's the novel adaptation range - This is the NOVEL ADAPTATIONS range. People know what they're getting - they're getting an adaptation of a novel. It stands as it is. Except the range doesn't simply exist for nostalgic fans, it exists to introduce these tales to customers who were unfarmaliar with the novels. Including the original context of that ending. It also chose attention grabbing releases to attract fans to the range. Ace leaves The Doctor, The Doctor meets Sherlock Holmes, Macbeth reneacted on an alien planet, an unknown Russell T Davies Doctor Who story to many etc. It's not a range which is catering to a specific solitary audience. Even the out of order New Adventures adapations serve a purpose in feeding into The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to new fans - just how did this TARDIS team come together etc, how did Ace forgive The Doctor? etc. It's a story unexperienced by many and Big Finish are playing it smart in introducing Benny to new customers. It's also important to remember that the Gareth Roberts adapations were the launching point for Fourth Doctor and Second Romana material at Big Finish - a significant jumping on point for many and attention grabbing releases for more casual customers. Not following up on that cliffhanger would be a bad and confusing move for such customers, particularly given the hype around this year's finale and the series eighteen stories and it'd be an odd move indeed with Big Finish trying to make their stories more approachable to new customers, particularly in light of the revival licencise releases. Also, the Fourth Doctor releases are big draw releases as well for new and casual customers, as well I think in most cases people can understand context.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:19:14 GMT
It would also be a nice jumping on point for new listeners, similar to The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure. Also, oi, Time Lord, you haven't recieved this month's release! Not yet but i been notified that the CD's have been dispatched & are on the way, i really need some audio drama distractions at the minute. Do you not pick up non-Doctor ranges, Si? I never see you commenting on them and there are plenty of spinoffs and other ranges I think you'd like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:51:35 GMT
Except the range doesn't simply exist for nostalgic fans, it exists to introduce these tales to customers who were unfarmaliar with the novels. Including the original context of that ending. It also chose attention grabbing releases to attract fans to the range. Ace leaves The Doctor, The Doctor meets Sherlock Holmes, Macbeth reneacted on an alien planet, an unknown Russell T Davies Doctor Who story to many etc. It's not a range which is catering to a specific solitary audience. Even the out of order New Adventures adapations serve a purpose in feeding into The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to new fans - just how did this TARDIS team come together etc, how did Ace forgive The Doctor? etc. It's a story unexperienced by many and Big Finish are playing it smart in introducing Benny to new customers. It's also important to remember that the Gareth Roberts adapations were the launching point for Fourth Doctor and Second Romana material at Big Finish - a significant jumping on point for many and attention grabbing releases for more casual customers. Not following up on that cliffhanger would be a bad and confusing move for such customers, particularly given the hype around this year's finale and the series eighteen stories and it'd be an odd move indeed with Big Finish trying to make their stories more approachable to new customers, particularly in light of the revival licencise releases. Also, the Fourth Doctor releases are big draw releases as well for new and casual customers, as well I think in most cases people can understand context. ? Anyway, I've made my stance on this matter and I've said all I've wanted to. Onto The Churchill Diaries, I go!
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Post by elkawho on Jan 14, 2016 12:54:05 GMT
I think it was just ok. Loved the banter between The Doctor and Romana, but I thought there was too much technobabble.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 14, 2016 13:15:23 GMT
Not yet but i been notified that the CD's have been dispatched & are on the way, i really need some audio drama distractions at the minute. Do you not pick up non-Doctor ranges, Si? I never see you commenting on them and there are plenty of spinoffs and other ranges I think you'd like. I got UNIT old & new, Jago & Litefoot which i adore, Torchwood & Counter Measures which you recommended & i enjoyed very much. Yes i had ought to comment more on those other ranges.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 14, 2016 13:16:44 GMT
No, quite the opposite! Other people should appreciate the original novel and the intention behind it. It's the novel adaptation range - This is the NOVEL ADAPTATIONS range. People know what they're getting - they're getting an adaptation of a novel. It stands as it is. Except the range doesn't simply exist for nostalgic fans, it exists to introduce these tales to customers who were unfarmaliar with the novels. Including the original context of that ending. It also chose attention grabbing releases to attract fans to the range. Ace leaves The Doctor, The Doctor meets Sherlock Holmes, Macbeth reneacted on an alien planet, an unknown Russell T Davies Doctor Who story to many etc. It's not a range which is catering to a specific solitary audience. Even the out of order New Adventures adapations serve a purpose in feeding into The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to new fans - just how did this TARDIS team come together etc, how did Ace forgive The Doctor? etc. It's a story unexperienced by many and Big Finish are playing it smart in introducing Benny to new customers. It's also important to remember that the Gareth Roberts adapations were the launching point for Fourth Doctor and Second Romana material at Big Finish - a significant jumping on point for many and attention grabbing releases for more casual customers. Not following up on that cliffhanger would be a bad and confusing move for such customers, particularly given the hype around this year's finale and the series eighteen stories and it'd be an odd move indeed with Big Finish trying to make their stories more approachable to new customers, particularly in light of the revival licencise releases. Also, the Fourth Doctor releases are big draw releases as well for new and casual customers, as well Well said Michael, i completely agree.
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