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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 9:05:08 GMT
Hello everybody, recently, in many of the release threads, there is no original content of members to see and read anymore. Maybe the releases were bad, or badly received, or nobody was interested, or less members are active or are less motivated to share their thoughts. I always value the opinion of other members, and in this time where I have to really decide where my money goes and which Release to buy, I always check what other people on here think. I also try and leave my own thought on a release.
Recently many threads of new releases are just a playground for our frequent posters to be the first on the scene to re- post advertising or social media posts, or „ reviews“ of sites who always ( even in the worst cases) give positive reviews on everything. Most telling also is, that hardly any members react to this anymore. Plus, most of that stuff is posted in the advertising thread ( „updates“) anyways. I personally have started to find this tiring. Maybe this forum is partly funded by BF, then this is justified.
Otherwise, for me at least it is just not helpful to make a decision. But of course if these post are not made by some desperate members with itchy fingers, then the release threads will be empty or only consist of one negative member review.
I do not know what everybody else is thinking, so I thought I create a poll to see what the general consensus is. Maybe I am the only person caring about this or with my current mood, annoyed by it. Then please delete.
And yes, I know about the argument of „ just scroll past“ but everytime I see a new post in a release thread, I get my hopes up for advice on what would be good or bad to buy, and then it is just advertising. Waste of my time really.
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Post by shallacatop on May 28, 2023 10:02:04 GMT
Completely agree. I’ve mentioned it before and frankly it’s brought the forum to a standstill. Who can be bothered giving their thoughts on releases if they’ve got to wade through embedded tweet after embedded tweet that contribute nothing except additional post count. Similarly who can be bothered trawling through them to see if someone has reviewed a post that could create discussion.
It’s no coincidence that the biggest discussions come from announcements, not their eventual release which result in post after post of embedded tweet from the same couple of people. If there’s something meaningful linked in those tweets, then maybe go to the effort of directly sharing it with a brief description of what it is.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on May 28, 2023 10:12:14 GMT
Yes, it can be infuriating.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 10:28:29 GMT
With respect you can always use Kesteral's Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there
Updates Personally on Sales I only Post the int ital Announcement and the last day/ Chance Reminder.
Other Updates regarding the Website/News of course I'll continue to Post
Reviews I'll try to avoid Posting BF Quote Tweets if the Review Site has an Account here (again you can always Post Agreement or Respectful Disagreement with them if you choose)
Regards
mark687
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Post by shallacatop on May 28, 2023 10:37:27 GMT
With respect you can always use Kesteral's Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there If you think that is the solution then I don’t think you’re understanding the problem. Finding a thread for a release isn’t an issue - certainly a recent one - but discussion stalls upon release. I expect part of that is a less frequent use of the forum, potentially coupled with a fatigue of Big Finish, but I feel a lot of it is because posts are hidden amongst promotional ones. People feel reluctant to post due to it and equally don’t engage in discussion because those that have reviewed are hidden. I don’t understand why a tweet Big Finish post out needs to be shared two or three times over. If anything it’s more appropriate in the Big Finish Updates thread, even though I’d personally argue very little of them are of interest, or indeed an update.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 10:47:56 GMT
With respect you can always use Kesteral's Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there If you think that is the solution then I don’t think you’re understanding the problem. Finding a thread for a release isn’t an issue - certainly a recent one - but discussion stalls upon release. I expect part of that is a less frequent use of the forum, potentially coupled with a fatigue of Big Finish, but I feel a lot of it is because posts are hidden amongst promotional ones. People feel reluctant to post due to it and equally don’t engage in discussion because those that have reviewed are hidden. I don’t understand why a tweet Big Finish post out needs to be shared two or three times over. If anything it’s more appropriate in the Big Finish Updates thread, even though I’d personally argue very little of them are of interest, or indeed an update. Agreed I really don't get why seeing promo posts is discouraging people from posting if they've something they want to post about even if its more promo posts. Regards mark687
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Post by sherlock on May 28, 2023 10:53:11 GMT
I do feel there is a little too much of an instinct to share everything Big Finish post. I rarely read reviews they actually share, cos if Big Finish have endorsed it there’s basically no point actually reading it. The conclusion will be “buy it” and the rating will be 8 or above cos any less invokes the wrath of Nick Briggs. And more often than not the review sites Big Finish share are the ones they give freebies to, who are hardly going to bite the hand that feeds them.
I do try and throw in my two cents on the releases I listen to. Unfortunately nowadays I’m usually waiting to see what the reaction is on these threads before buying!
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 10:57:46 GMT
I do feel there is a little too much of an instinct to share everything Big Finish post. I rarely read reviews they actually share, cos if Big Finish have endorsed it there’s basically no point actually reading it. The conclusion will be “buy it” and the rating will be 8 or above cos any less invokes the wrath of Nick Briggs. And more often than not the review sites Big Finish share are the ones they give freebies to, who are hardly going to bite the hand that feeds them. I do try and throw in my two cents on the releases I listen to. Unfortunately nowadays I’m usually waiting to see what the reaction is on these threads before buying! Exactly the debated Overall Quality Dip/ Cost of Living Issues arguable leaves Members more reliant on Reviews. Regards mark687
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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 11:19:52 GMT
I think if people want to see the news or if a release is out, you can always look at the news/ update thread.
I feel that the discussion threads should be for real discussion. Not just for showing that some people have too much time on their hands, spent too much time on social media and have mastered the feat of copy pasting. I just think advertising is no constructive contribution to a discussion. It frustrates me. And I am glad I am not the only one.
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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 11:23:22 GMT
If you think that is the solution then I don’t think you’re understanding the problem. Finding a thread for a release isn’t an issue - certainly a recent one - but discussion stalls upon release. I expect part of that is a less frequent use of the forum, potentially coupled with a fatigue of Big Finish, but I feel a lot of it is because posts are hidden amongst promotional ones. People feel reluctant to post due to it and equally don’t engage in discussion because those that have reviewed are hidden. I don’t understand why a tweet Big Finish post out needs to be shared two or three times over. If anything it’s more appropriate in the Big Finish Updates thread, even though I’d personally argue very little of them are of interest, or indeed an update. Agreed I really don't get why seeing promo posts is discouraging people from posting if they've something they want to post about even if its more promo posts. Regards mark687 Have you even read what shallacatop wrote? So in truth you disagree.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 11:32:25 GMT
I think if people want to see the news or if a release is out, you can always look at the news/ update thread. I feel that the discussion threads should be for real discussion. Not just for showing that some people have too much time on their hands, spent too much time on social media and have mastered the feat of copy pasting. I just think advertising is no constructive contribution to a discussion. It frustrates me. And I am glad I am not the only one. The irony is The Purity Unleased Thread (where the issue was raised) Was the perfect example of what you wanted. Opinions and hopes before release , the Release Contributors Thought's, New Information on the day of Release and since, plus a Listeners Detailed opinion having heard it.
Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 11:38:03 GMT
Agreed I really don't get why seeing promo posts is discouraging people from posting if they've something they want to post about even if its more promo posts. Regards mark687 Have you even read what shallacatop wrote? So in truth you disagree. Yes I have and yes I do disagree however its perfectly fine to have the opposite opinion. Regards mark687
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Post by BHTvsTFC on May 28, 2023 15:07:45 GMT
Funnily enough a recent thing for me was the trailer for Prisoners of Time - it was just above two or three posts promoting the exact same thing with the same large photographs and text. If that post needed to be there is not the main thing but why did it need triplicating? Promotion is one thing, boring the arse off the reader is another.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 15:49:31 GMT
Funnily enough a recent thing for me was the trailer for Prisoners of Time - it was just above two or three posts promoting the exact same thing with the same large photographs and text. If that post needed to be there is not the main thing but why did it need triplicating? Promotion is one thing, boring the arse off the reader is another. So Release Contributors thoughts to BF Posts aren't worth knowing if they Re-Tweet the BF Post while having them? Regards mark687
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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 15:56:32 GMT
I think if people want to see the news or if a release is out, you can always look at the news/ update thread. I feel that the discussion threads should be for real discussion. Not just for showing that some people have too much time on their hands, spent too much time on social media and have mastered the feat of copy pasting. I just think advertising is no constructive contribution to a discussion. It frustrates me. And I am glad I am not the only one. The irony is The Purity Unleased Thread (where the issue was raised) Was the perfect example of what you wanted. Opinions and hopes before release , the Release Contributors Thought's, New Information on the day of Release and since, plus a Listeners Detailed opinion having heard it.
Regards mark687 And then it got spammed because seemingly nobody had interest to spend money on this series anymore and all we are left with is repetitive advertising posts. This is what irked me and made me start this thread.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 16:06:33 GMT
The irony is The Purity Unleased Thread (where the issue was raised) Was the perfect example of what you wanted. Opinions and hopes before release , the Release Contributors Thought's, New Information on the day of Release and since, plus a Listeners Detailed opinion having heard it.
Regards mark687 And then it got spammed because seemingly nobody had interest to spend money on this series anymore and all we are left with is repetitive advertising posts. This is what irked me and made me start this thread. Debatable it was Spam Martin O'Neil wasn't announced till Release Day. The Cover Art was Updated after Release, so that only leaves Release Contributor Reaction Tweets which i'm genuinely surprised are producing such a strong reaction. Regards mark687
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Post by masterdoctor on May 28, 2023 16:41:29 GMT
I just want to point out that the forum is not in any way paid for by Big Finish, we are just lucky to have writers who occasionally pop by. As for the topic at hand, I do agree with you Tui. I find it frustrating myself not only because the overwhelming amount of Twitter posts' information could have been shared through a link to the info on BF website and text saying what the link is, but also because threads like the Updates thread are almost exclusively just tweets and that slows my computer/internet down that I've waited minutes just to see the latest post on a page because I'm waiting for every single tweet to load. One of the worst examples of this recently is in the Updates thread where every single tweet of which releases were about to end pre-order pricing this month was linked in. There really should have been just the first tweet in that thread and then listing which releases are in question, but instead not only was every single tweet embedded, but by quote tweeting the previous post to add more tweets from the same thread, the same tweets show up multiple times. Edit: In addition most of the contributor tweets that you are mentioning mark687 are simply people expressing that they are happy the release is out or is really just a promotional retweet from them, and I would disagree that they are worth sharing.
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Post by Alastair on May 28, 2023 16:51:52 GMT
This forum is my #1 deciding factor in whether or not to buy a release. A lovely haven of quality over quantity.
I generally steer clear of Big Finish’s Twitter due to the sheer volume of posts without new information (which, as somebody in marketing, I fully appreciate can be a necessary evil; it just doesn’t fit with the way I use the platform). It can be a little frustrating to come here as a respite from that, only to end up seeing most tweets anyway.
To stress: that’s not a slight on those doing the reposting. It’s clearly coming from a well-intended place: the desire to share new information with those who might miss it, and save folks from having to wade through the filler. It’s gotten out of proportion, is all — to the point that it’s replicating the problem such reposts could be solving.
If the forum found a consensus on what actually constitutes new/interesting information, and where it’s best to share, I think it would be so much more appreciated as the community service it’s intended to be.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 16:53:01 GMT
This Forum going to dry up quick and BF are in trouble with their marketing and coms staggery then.
Regards
mark687
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Post by masterdoctor on May 28, 2023 17:08:50 GMT
This Forum going to dry up quick and BF are in trouble with their marketing and coms staggery then. Regards mark687 I don't quite understand the correlation Mark. Limiting how many tweets are being reposted won't dry up the forum, it will clean things up and from the consensus so far, will make being on the forum a lot more enjoyable. And I don't think anyone could ever argue that Big Finish are good at marketing, so your second point really doesn't have much to do with the conversation at hand imo. This discussion isn't a slight on you or Aussie, it's just that there is a disagreement on what should actually be shared and perhaps how it is shared.
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