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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 17:18:39 GMT
This Forum going to dry up quick and BF are in trouble with their marketing and coms staggery then. Regards mark687 I don't quite understand the correlation Mark. Limiting how many tweets are being reposted won't dry up the forum, it will clean things up and from the consensus so far, will make being on the forum a lot more enjoyable. And I don't think anyone could ever argue that Big Finish are good at marketing, so your second point really doesn't have much to do with the conversation at hand imo. This discussion isn't a slight on you or Aussie, it's just that there is a disagreement on what should actually be shared and perhaps how it is shared. Ok it was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment. Regards mark687 |
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Post by masterdoctor on May 28, 2023 17:28:58 GMT
I don't quite understand the correlation Mark. Limiting how many tweets are being reposted won't dry up the forum, it will clean things up and from the consensus so far, will make being on the forum a lot more enjoyable. And I don't think anyone could ever argue that Big Finish are good at marketing, so your second point really doesn't have much to do with the conversation at hand imo. This discussion isn't a slight on you or Aussie, it's just that there is a disagreement on what should actually be shared and perhaps how it is shared. Ok it was somewhat tongue in cheek. Regards mark687 Fair enough, my apologies for misunderstanding. |
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Post by timleschild on May 28, 2023 18:03:43 GMT
Agree 100% with the OP. I think there is so much repetition in this place. Why in Updates, news, the specific releases thread etc the same thing? It does feel that some people just want to be first in posting maybe?
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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 18:18:23 GMT
I just want to point out that the forum is not in any way paid for by Big Finish, we are just lucky to have writers who occasionally pop by. As for the topic at hand, I do agree with you Tui. I find it frustrating myself not only because the overwhelming amount of Twitter posts' information could have been shared through a link to the info on BF website and text saying what the link is, but also because threads like the Updates thread are almost exclusively just tweets and that slows my computer/internet down that I've waited minutes just to see the latest post on a page because I'm waiting for every single tweet to load. One of the worst examples of this recently is in the Updates thread where every single tweet of which releases were about to end pre-order pricing this month was linked in. There really should have been just the first tweet in that thread and then listing which releases are in question, but instead not only was every single tweet embedded, but by quote tweeting the previous post to add more tweets from the same thread, the same tweets show up multiple times. Edit: In addition most of the contributor tweets that you are mentioning mark687 are simply people expressing that they are happy the release is out or is really just a promotional retweet from them, and I would disagree that they are worth sharing. You make a very good point with the Internet Speed!!!! when I am traveling or with my very bad net at home, I am in some cases not even able to open up the treads to give a valuable contribution if I wanted. This would be another good point to limit the reposts. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 28, 2023 19:13:20 GMT
Quite simply, before reposting this kind of thing, one shuold consider:
1) is this a big piece of news that needs spreading? (e.g., in the unlikely event that BF got the Star Trek rights and announced it on twitter)
2) is this something that people on the forum may not spot? (e.g., in the unlikely event that the Star Trek twitter account announces a BF series)
I don't think "I'm an actor and I was in this" is something we need to see.
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Post by cjr on May 28, 2023 19:17:04 GMT
For my part, I apologise.
Prior to the BF change that saw them do the announcement of release dates, I would frequently post when a release was out. I wasn’t the only one. I realise that was actually a bit compulsive, but also to stop wondering when the hell the release was dropping.
But, given that they now give an exact date and time, there’s far less reason to. Whereas before I was wasting time waiting for a release, I don’t feel the need any more. Believe it or not, YMMV.
As far as sometimes not posting in the other threads, it’s simply fatigue. My currently backlog of BF is larger than ever at any point in 20 years. Which is great, because it may be a while until I can afford to buy from them again, and I’ll be relying on reviews. I prefer to wade in when I have something to contribute, rather than just to post.
I enjoy reading the opinions of many of you who have posted in this thread. It’s honestly so much better to hear the back and forth. When people aren’t always agreeing about releases, you, over time, may see that you have similar likes or dislikes. It can really help you choose what you’re going to spend your money and time on.
That’s much more valuable to me than a stream of reviews that tell you every release is wonderful, glorious, exhilarating, etc.
I’d prefer to respectfully argue with someone about a release, and see a different perspective. To honestly read why someone found something enjoyable, or what didn’t work for them.
I’m going to go and do that myself. Probably in a haphazard manner. If you care to engage, question or challenge me, thank you. I’ll look forward to our discussion and hearing your thoughts and opinions on a subject we both enjoy/care about.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on May 28, 2023 19:24:34 GMT
Quite simply, before reposting this kind of thing, one shuold consider: 1) is this a big piece of news that needs spreading? (e.g., in the unlikely event that BF got the Star Trek rights and announced it on twitter) 2) is this something that people on the forum may not spot? (e.g., in the unlikely event that the Star Trek twitter account announces a BF series) I don't think "I'm an actor and I was in this" is something we need to see. For me, it's the announcement of a release, when it's coming out. when there are updates regarding that release including casting, trailers, cover reveal and that's really it. It's a lot in itself and it doesn't need duplicating two or three times because it's on the site, then it's on twitter, then it's on instagram, etc. Or maybe if someone feels the need to reference the tweets for instance they don't need to copy and paste what is essentially the same info and another pic of the cover and thus clog up threads and slow down the page loading process, which is also something I find a nuisance, thanks for bringing it up masterdoctor. |
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 19:27:44 GMT
For my part, I apologise. Prior to the BF change that saw them do the announcement of release dates, I would frequently post when a release was out. I wasn’t the only one. I realise that was actually a bit compulsive, but also to stop wondering when the hell the release was dropping. But, given that they now give an exact date and time, there’s far less reason to. Whereas before I was wasting time waiting for a release, I don’t feel the need any more. Believe it or not, YMMV. As far as sometimes not posting in the other threads, it’s simply fatigue. My currently backlog of BF is larger than ever at any point in 20 years. Which is great, because it may be a while until I can afford to buy from them again, and I’ll be relying on reviews. I prefer to wade in when I have something to contribute, rather than just to post. I enjoy reading the opinions of many of you who have posted in this thread. It’s honestly so much better to hear the back and forth. When people aren’t always agreeing about releases, you, over time, may see that you have similar likes or dislikes. It can really help you choose what you’re going to spend your money and time on. That’s much more valuable to me than a stream of reviews that tell you every release is wonderful, glorious, exhilarating, etc. I’d prefer to respectfully argue with someone about a release, and see a different perspective. To honestly read why someone found something enjoyable, or what didn’t work for them. I’m going to go and do that myself. Probably in a haphazard manner. If you care to engage, question or challenge me, thank you. I’ll look forward to our discussion and hearing your thoughts and opinions on a subject we both enjoy/care about. No need to Apologize I shall look forward to your Discussion view Posts Regards mark687 |
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2023 19:33:28 GMT
I find it extraordinary that some people on the Forum on commercial products don't like commercialism  EDIT Its also a fact that many BF Updates are Sales, how about we restrict these to the Sales Thread going forward? Regards mark687 |
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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
I find it extortionary that some people on the Forum on commercial products don't like commercialism Regards mark687 There is a difference between liking something and buying into a franchise ( Who, Trek, Warhammer) and having excessive posts and advertising which feels like stuffing it down one‘s throat. I am also a Warhammer fan, and the aggressive advertising plus an artificial scarcity of a product which creates FOMO and frustration is now like a plague and spoiling enjoyment of many people on my Warhammer forum. But I am also active in non- commercial hobbies. I am now an avid ant keeper and I share dozens of pictures of ants I saw around my village on my ant forum. However, I do use a commercial ant farm and did not build it myself. My ants LOVE that 3D printed farm, I have also offered them a dirt digging one, but they prefer 3D printed. It is a very good commercial product approved by my ants. I do not, however, feel the compulsion to share every new ant farm release of my favorite producer with the ant forum people- if I did that, they would say I had lost it. They did however love my rural Germany ant pictures ( Original content). If I use this analogy to the ant forum, the obsession of advertising in this forum here comes across as even more krass and mind boggling. Edit: I have to add that the ant forum has a commercial corner where producers are free to share their offers and pictures of their releases. It is just not seen and frowned upon to do advertising in the discussion treads. |
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Post by lidar2 on May 28, 2023 23:25:58 GMT
With respect you can always use Kesteral's Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there Updates Personally on Sales I only Post the int ital Announcement and the last day/ Chance Reminder. Other Updates regarding the Website/News of course I'll continue to Post Reviews I'll try to avoid Posting BF Quote Tweets if the Review Site has an Account here (again you can always Post Agreement or Respectful Disagreement with them if you choose) Regards mark687 Re sales, I think tou get the balance right Mark posting only the 1st and last announcement. It's the people who feel the need to post every sale reminder in between that cause the problem imho. I have the updates thread bookmarked and I usually go to my notifications first when I come on to the forum. I can usually tell as soonas I see which member has posted an update if it will turn out to be geniunely new news or just something silly, e.g. repost of a BF tweet that only reminds us of a sale we already know sbout. Rant over. Peace and love to all. |
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Post by Kestrel on May 29, 2023 0:53:24 GMT
My suggestion would simply be a rule against posting lone links in discussion threads. I think there's good reason to be leery of implementing too many rules in a forum, beyond the general "don't be an ass," thing... but i think this might be a valuable exception. Maybe? EG people can still post links to reviews, tweets, etc. -- they just have to also say something about it. The purposes of those threads should purely be for discussion, and every post ought to contribute to that discussion in some manner, even if it's just something relatively simple, unnuanced, and unlikely to invite comment or question, like saying, "I liked this," or, "I didn't like that." With respect you can always use [Kestrel's] Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there . My understanding is that those are the precise threads we're talking about. Which are frequently populated -- sometimes years after release -- by posts of links to tweets and links to off-site reviews with no context. I don't have anything against people linking to their personal websites with reviews, but when all they're doing is dropping a link and not even summarizing their opinion in brief, it's just advertising -- spam, really. EDIT:And to be perfectly honest, it's something that bothers me... quite a lot. It's just not something I feel comfortable brining up myself as, though it's been a few years, I still feel like a relative "newcomer" to this community. If no one else was gonna say something, I wasn't about to bring it up -- but now that it's out here? Yeah, the advertising/span is consistently the most annoying issue here. (And also, really, the only -- recurring --issue of any significance I've noticed.) |
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Post by tuigirl on May 29, 2023 7:46:22 GMT
My suggestion would simply be a rule against posting lone links in discussion threads. I think there's good reason to be leery of implementing too many rules in a forum, beyond the general "don't be an ass," thing... but i think this might be a valuable exception. Maybe? EG people can still post links to reviews, tweets, etc. -- they just have to also say something about it. The purposes of those threads should purely be for discussion, and every post ought to contribute to that discussion in some manner, even if it's just something relatively simple, unnuanced, and unlikely to invite comment or question, like saying, "I liked this," or, "I didn't like that." With respect you can always use [Kestrel's] Discussion Thread Index to find a release you want to make a post about or create a thread if want you want to about isn't there . My understanding is that those are the precise threads we're talking about. Which are frequently populated -- sometimes years after release -- by posts of links to tweets and links to off-site reviews with no context. I don't have anything against people linking to their personal websites with reviews, but when all they're doing is dropping a link and not even summarizing their opinion in brief, it's just advertising -- spam, really. EDIT:And to be perfectly honest, it's something that bothers me... quite a lot. It's just not something I feel comfortable brining up myself as, though it's been a few years, I still feel like a relative "newcomer" to this community. If no one else was gonna say something, I wasn't about to bring it up -- but now that it's out here? Yeah, the advertising/span is consistently the most annoying issue here. (And also, really, the only -- recurring --issue of any significance As usual, you take the words from my mouth and voice them better. That is a great idea. So if the frequent posting people would write a short sentence on WHY they feel the need to share a tweet or a review would be great. „This review is critical or addresses commonly said problems“ or „this alternative cover is so much better than the real one“. Same for people who have review sites. Most often it is just. „I wrote a new review!“ What do you want me to do with this information? Congratulations? Have a virtual cookie? I even tried to answer to these posts, but the content creators do not even answer or discuss with you, they just come on here to link to their respective websites. This is also no constructive contribution. If you leave spam here, please also have the decency to answer and react to people, otherwise I will just ignore your spam in future. So, I really hope the moderators take note. To at least some things we have discussed here. |
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Post by The Matt on May 29, 2023 9:10:30 GMT
I often think that the constant advertising posts are just a p!$$ing competition between certain members to see who can post first regardless if anyone actually wants to read it.
I’d like to know who the 4 people who voted yes. I mean I’m fairly sure I can guess…..
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Post by timleschild on May 29, 2023 12:36:23 GMT
I often think that the constant advertising posts are just a p!$$ing competition between certain members to see who can post first regardless if anyone actually wants to read it. I’d like to know who the 4 people who voted yes. I mean I’m fairly sure I can guess….. Yes definitely this. Ooh look I posted it first. Yes who were the 4 people who voted yes? |
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Post by mark687 on May 29, 2023 12:49:34 GMT
I often think that the constant advertising posts are just a p!$$ing competition between certain members to see who can post first regardless if anyone actually wants to read it. I’d like to know who the 4 people who voted yes. I mean I’m fairly sure I can guess….. Yes definitely this. Ooh look I posted it first. Yes who were the 4 people who voted yes? I did cause I thought it was a useful practice obviously these's difference of opinion therefore I shall reduce my use of them to what I Suggested up the Thread, Regards mark687 |
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Post by ollychops on May 29, 2023 12:58:50 GMT
I often think that the constant advertising posts are just a p!$$ing competition between certain members to see who can post first regardless if anyone actually wants to read it. I’d like to know who the 4 people who voted yes. I mean I’m fairly sure I can guess….. This is how I feel... especially regarding the "Updates" thread. You'll get someone posting in there to let everyone know when a release is in accounts, and then you'll get someone else linking a tweet from BF echoing the exact same thing... I go into that thread expecting actual updates, not the same thing posted multiple times by different people. |
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Post by The Matt on May 29, 2023 13:56:18 GMT
Yes definitely this. Ooh look I posted it first. Yes who were the 4 people who voted yes? I did cause I thought it was a useful practice obviously these's difference of opinion therefore I shall reduce my use of them to what I Suggested up the Thread, Regards mark687 Shocked it was you Mark…….said absolutely no one. To be blunt you’re one of the main culprits of the whole “I posted first” culture that is spoiling the forum. It’s hardly a “difference of opinion” Mark, look at the vast gap between the yes and no numbers. Look how, other than you, no one has said it’s a good idea. I’m he other three yes voters didn’t even feel strong enough about it to post. It’s been mentioned before but you’ve ignored it. Hopefully this time you’ll just man up and admit you were wrong……..but I very much doubt it. |
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Post by mark687 on May 29, 2023 14:08:38 GMT
I did cause I thought it was a useful practice obviously these's difference of opinion therefore I shall reduce my use of them to what I Suggested up the Thread, Regards mark687 Shocked it was you Mark…….said absolutely no one. To be blunt you’re one of the main culprits of the whole “I posted first” culture that is spoiling the forum. It’s hardly a “difference of opinion” Mark, look at the vast gap between the yes and no numbers. Look how, other than you, no one has said it’s a good idea. I’m he other three yes voters didn’t even feel strong enough about it to post. It’s been mentioned before but you’ve ignored it. Hopefully this time you’ll just man up and admit you were wrong……..but I very much doubt it. And you've called me out that's made your year I'm sure. Regards mark687 |
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Post by The Matt on May 29, 2023 14:15:07 GMT
Sorry to dampen your ego Mark but you’re just not that important to make my minute let alone my year.
Glad to see that you’re trying to change the topic away from your excessive advertising posts instead of just owning your error
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