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Post by dastari on Jan 13, 2016 18:30:47 GMT
Just a quick question, does anyone know the intended order of The Justice of Jalaxar and The Mahogany Murderers. I'd listened to The Mahogany Murderers first and I'm listening to The Justice of Jalaxar now. I'm trying to figure out the order and so far I can't.
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Post by seeley on Jan 13, 2016 18:40:25 GMT
Just a quick question, does anyone know the intended order of The Justice of Jalaxar and The Mahogany Murderers. I'd listened to The Mahogany Murderers first and I'm listening to The Justice of Jalaxar now. I'm trying to figure out the order and so far I can't. If nothing else, Justice takes place at the beginning of the 20th Century (according to the synopsis,) while Oscar Wilde, who pops up in Series 4 of Jago and Litefoot, died in France in 1900. Since Murderers takes place prior to the boxsets, it also takes place prior to Justice. Caveat: I've not yet listened to either Justice of Jalxar or J&L Series 4 (though I own both, so I should do so before long,) so I may have missed something.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 13, 2016 18:43:56 GMT
Just a quick question, does anyone know the intended order of The Justice of Jalaxar and The Mahogany Murderers. I'd listened to The Mahogany Murderers first and I'm listening to The Justice of Jalaxar now. I'm trying to figure out the order and so far I can't. If nothing else, Justice takes place at the beginning of the 20th Century (according to the synopsis,) while Oscar Wilde, who pops up in Series 4 of Jago and Litefoot, died in France in 1900. Since Murderers takes place prior to the boxsets, it also takes place prior to Justice. Caveat: I've not yet listened to either Justice of Jalxar or J&L Series 4 (though I own both, so I should do so before long,) so I may have missed something. In Series 4, Oscar is a live and well. In later Box sets when they meet Conan Doyle, it is after the Final Problem (1893) and before Hound of the Baskervilles (1902)
If that helps.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 13, 2016 21:14:35 GMT
I thought Dorney and/or Briggs said Justice is set long after their adventures in the box sets had concluded. Mahogany would naturally slot in earlier, yes?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 13, 2016 21:25:50 GMT
I thought Dorney and/or Briggs said Justice is set long after their adventures in the box sets had concluded. Mahogany would naturally slot in earlier, yes? Yes Mahogany is a "pilot" and should be listened to before the j&L Boxsets. Justice and future 4DA appearances should be listened to after the last boxset BF ever do. This dose mean: {Spoiler} Unless they have a Mind-Wipe at some point they know all about the 6th Doc and the Valeyard at every subsequent meeting with the 4th Doc
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Post by omega on Jan 13, 2016 21:26:12 GMT
Mahogany Murderers is the earliest story for them in their Big Finish chronology, and sets up the main villain for their first box set. Justice of Jalxar takes place after the box sets, and thanks to the lack of continuity references to the Jago & Litefoot range there isn't anything the writers of the final box set (may that be a long, long way away) have to match their scripts up to.
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Post by dastari on Jan 14, 2016 18:21:18 GMT
Mahogany Murderers is the earliest story for them in their Big Finish chronology, and sets up the main villain for their first box set. Justice of Jalxar takes place after the box sets, and thanks to the lack of continuity references to the Jago & Litefoot range there isn't anything the writers of the final box set (may that be a long, long way away) have to match their scripts up to. I have listened to the Jago and Litefoot boxes yet, but I do know that they meet later Doctors. Isn't that already a discontinuity with Jago and Litefoot? They act like they haven't seen the Doctor since Talons and expect Leela to be with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 19:58:55 GMT
Mahogany Murderers is the earliest story for them in their Big Finish chronology, and sets up the main villain for their first box set. Justice of Jalxar takes place after the box sets, and thanks to the lack of continuity references to the Jago & Litefoot range there isn't anything the writers of the final box set (may that be a long, long way away) have to match their scripts up to. I have listened to the Jago and Litefoot boxes yet, but I do know that they meet later Doctors. Isn't that already a discontinuity with Jago and Litefoot? They act like they haven't seen the Doctor since Talons and expect Leela to be with him. If you listen carefully there's a wonderful tone to their surprise which I think is meant to intimate that they're putting it on to avoid "spoilers"
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Post by paulmorris on Jan 14, 2016 21:07:23 GMT
If nothing else, Justice takes place at the beginning of the 20th Century (according to the synopsis,) while Oscar Wilde, who pops up in Series 4 of Jago and Litefoot, died in France in 1900. Since Murderers takes place prior to the boxsets, it also takes place prior to Justice. Caveat: I've not yet listened to either Justice of Jalxar or J&L Series 4 (though I own both, so I should do so before long,) so I may have missed something. In Series 4, Oscar is a live and well. In later Box sets when they meet Conan Doyle, it is after the Final Problem (1893) and before Hound of the Baskervilles (1902)
If that helps.
Just for the record, the Jago and Litefoot stories are based on the assumption that Talons of Weng Chiang is set in 1892 (based, I believe, on a magazine that Litefoot is seen reading). Their adventures are gradually moving forward from there, and as of Series 11 have reached 1895. I don't think the date is ever mentioned out loud, but the writers bear it in mind when referencing real-world events.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 14, 2016 21:28:11 GMT
In Series 4, Oscar is a live and well. In later Box sets when they meet Conan Doyle, it is after the Final Problem (1893) and before Hound of the Baskervilles (1902)
If that helps.
Just for the record, the Jago and Litefoot stories are based on the assumption that Talons of Weng Chiang is set in 1892 (based, I believe, on a magazine that Litefoot is seen reading). Their adventures are gradually moving forward from there, and as of Series 11 have reached 1895. I don't think the date is ever mentioned out loud, but the writers bear it in mind when referencing real-world events. That answers that question. Thank you.
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Post by constonks on Jan 19, 2016 14:06:34 GMT
Mahogany Murderers is the earliest story for them in their Big Finish chronology, and sets up the main villain for their first box set. Justice of Jalxar takes place after the box sets, and thanks to the lack of continuity references to the Jago & Litefoot range there isn't anything the writers of the final box set (may that be a long, long way away) have to match their scripts up to. I have listened to the Jago and Litefoot boxes yet, but I do know that they meet later Doctors. Isn't that already a discontinuity with Jago and Litefoot? They act like they haven't seen the Doctor since Talons and expect Leela to be with him. They are surprised to see the *Fourth* Doctor and expect him to be with Leela. They were probably expecting the Sixth.
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Post by flyingtigercomics on Jun 29, 2016 8:58:08 GMT
In Justice of Jalxar it has been ten years since J&L have seen the Fourth Doctor, according to the dialogue.
There is other dialogue in the deliberately vague J&L saying that their new adventures have begun a year (or two?) after Weng Chiang. Little Tich, whom is the object of the Fourth Doctor's viewing desires, had a stage act called Little Bo Peep in 1892.
They are deliberately vague - using 70 or 80 years freely - when in 1968 as to how long after their home time that year may be.
They name the year 1894 in Series 7.
So it is sustainable that Jalxar takes place in 1902.
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Post by eric009 on Oct 16, 2016 20:11:57 GMT
Jago and Litefoot The Mahogany Murderers Series 1 Series 2 Series 3 Series 4 Voyage to Venus Voyage to the New World Series 5 Series 6 Series 7 Series 8 Series 9 Series 10 The Haunting (Jago and Litefoot and Strax) Series 11 Mind Games. Stage Fright The Worlds of Doctor Who was a crossover of Big Finish's Doctor Who spin-off ranges. Jago and Litefoot were featured in Mind Games. Stage Fright was the third full cast audio story in the The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure The Justice of Jalxar
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 5, 2016 22:46:58 GMT
Do we really know Mind Games and Stage Fright are near the "end" of the timeline? I assumed that they took place at an unspecified point during the boxsets.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2016 22:57:05 GMT
Do we really know Mind Games and Stage Fright are near the "end" of the timeline? I assumed that they took place at an unspecified point during the boxsets. When 1st asked on the old Forum after Worlds was released David Richardson said any future appearances by J&L in other ranges should be considered as happening after the last ever J&L Boxset (whenever that is)
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 5, 2016 23:11:04 GMT
Interesting. That's a bit of an odd decision since there's no reason for them to not be during the series and it could undercut the drama or limit future storylines. Still, if Richardson said it, I guess that's Big Finish's policy. Thanks for letting me know.
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