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Post by timleschild on Dec 17, 2023 22:14:21 GMT
Americanisms. disgusting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 22:45:29 GMT
Trolling. Infinitely more disgusting than - oh no - an Americanism. Sorry to our friends across the pond. The resident grinch doesn't like your lingo! Yet "seasons" has been used in the UK for Who before PBS ever showed a single ep in the US. But hey. I know it's a stressful time of year for you with those three ghosts that try and visit you on Christmas Eve. Maybe they wouldn't bother with you. At least Scrooge seemed redeemable. "New era" seems a good time to try out some forum features. I won't send you a card, but you're the first guest on the block list.  One day you'll think "I spend my time just....hating and pissing on things others like EVERY day...what a waste". Until then - cheerio, JHD! Maybe I'll see you on your next username! |
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Post by eightelements on Dec 17, 2023 23:20:36 GMT
I can't decide between Whoniverse and Disney Who.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 17, 2023 23:33:45 GMT
Trolling. Infinitely more disgusting than - oh no - an Americanism. Sorry to our friends across the pond. The resident grinch doesn't like your lingo! Yet "seasons" has been used in the UK for Who before PBS ever showed a single ep in the US. But hey. I know it's a stressful time of year for you with those three ghosts that try and visit you on Christmas Eve. Maybe they wouldn't bother with you. At least Scrooge seemed redeemable. "New era" seems a good time to try out some forum features. I won't send you a card, but you're the first guest on the block list. One day you'll think "I spend my time just....hating and pissing on things others like EVERY day...what a waste". Until then - cheerio, JHD! Maybe I'll see you on your next username! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 23:51:35 GMT
That's a lovely sight....I'd recommend blocking Chuckles too - the forum instantly gains brightness with no "You know what I hate? Everything" to read!   |
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Post by number13 on Dec 18, 2023 1:09:16 GMT
Some are modernisms which we can pick up or not, as we choose. English is infinitely adaptable, constructed (a generous term) from the tangled threads of other languages and usually has at least two words for everything, one from Latin/French and another from German/Scandinavian languages. So if we want to add new words, we don't have to go through a national committee like some countries, we just use them, or we don't. And if there are rules of English you don't like, we have others. 
Many "Americanisms" are really authentic English from the 17th or 18thC which we on this side of the Atlantic stopped using, and English speakers on the other side, didn't. Or they are adaptations or derivations of such Ye Olde English words.
So Americans often speak better King's English than we do. It just depends on which king you're using as the benchmark. ( Not George III, for reasons which should be painfully obvious to all on both sides of the pond!) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 1:58:24 GMT
Some are modernisms which we can pick up or not, as we choose. English is infinitely adaptable, constructed (a generous term) from the tangled threads of other languages and usually has at least two words for everything, one from Latin/French and another from German/Scandinavian languages. So if we want to add new words, we don't have to go through a national committee like some countries, we just use them, or we don't. And if there are rules of English you don't like, we have others.
Many "Americanisms" are really authentic English from the 17th or 18thC which we on this side of the Atlantic stopped using, and English speakers on the other side, didn't. Or they are adaptations or derivations of such Ye Olde English words.
So Americans often speak better King's English than we do. It just depends on which king you're using as the benchmark. Yes, I like the differences too. It always amused me that the film Lift To The Scaffold in the UK became Elevator To The Gallows in the US. Miles Davis who did the groundbreaking soundtrack split the difference...and kept the French title of Ascenseur pour l'échafaud! I guess Nappies On The Pavement would need to become Diapers On The Sidewalk! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 6:40:40 GMT
Nothing to do with Americanisms. Because classic who was a collection of multi-episode stories, each of them was a serial. A collection of serialised stories is called a season. In it's new incarnation, episodes are mostly standalone, and the most appropriate collective noun is Series. That makes the reboot of numbering in 2005 grammatically sound, signifying a transition in the storytelling techniques being used, whereas the new one is just for marketing. |
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 9:29:49 GMT
Nothing to do with Americanisms. Because classic who was a collection of multi-episode stories, each of them was a serial. A collection of serialised stories is called a season. In it's new incarnation, episodes are mostly standalone, and the most appropriate collective noun is Series. That makes the reboot of numbering in 2005 grammatically sound, signifying a transition in the storytelling techniques being used, whereas the new one is just for marketing. Thank you for a good answer I appreciate it |
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 9:46:33 GMT
Some are modernisms which we can pick up or not, as we choose. English is infinitely adaptable, constructed (a generous term) from the tangled threads of other languages and usually has at least two words for everything, one from Latin/French and another from German/Scandinavian languages. So if we want to add new words, we don't have to go through a national committee like some countries, we just use them, or we don't. And if there are rules of English you don't like, we have others.
Many "Americanisms" are really authentic English from the 17th or 18thC which we on this side of the Atlantic stopped using, and English speakers on the other side, didn't. Or they are adaptations or derivations of such Ye Olde English words.
So Americans often speak better King's English than we do. It just depends on which king you're using as the benchmark. I appreciate this thanx |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 17:08:18 GMT
Season one is a bit of a naff title though. Very unoriginal. From celebrating the show's 60th anniversary to calling a new era season one jar's with me.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 18, 2023 20:15:53 GMT
Beyond the actual reason (i.e. The Disney deal and not having the rest of the catalogue), I think there's some practical/pragmatic aspect to restarting the numbering. 13 series is quite a run for anything, and might ironically be a double edged sword for newbies wanting to just dip in and grapple with a different era of TV (yes, 2005 is that long ago). I mean, what other sci-fi show has that much? You can say Star Trek, but those are all different series in the same universe (has any Trekkie every called TNG S1 'Star Trek series 4'?) and each is its own entity. You can start on any ep1 you want to, and they seem to be managing fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 20:25:50 GMT
I wonder would Disney be interested in getting the streaming rights for Doctor Who 2005-23 when they expire from the current holders... if so, how would they refer to those seasons?!  |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 18, 2023 20:43:17 GMT
I wonder would Disney be interested in getting the streaming rights for Doctor Who 2005-23 when they expire from the current holders... if so, how would they refer to those seasons?! Most probably, but you can't exactly build plans around a 'maybe/we intend' that's three or four years away. I don't think even the old Magic Mirror on the Wall could help there!
(It was either that reference, or did a Williams Genie bit. In the latter, not as funny when you can't hear the impression(s)).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 21:17:51 GMT
Beyond the actual reason (i.e. The Disney deal and not having the rest of the catalogue), I think there's some practical/pragmatic aspect to restarting the numbering. 13 series is quite a run for anything, and might ironically be a double edged sword for newbies wanting to just dip in and grapple with a different era of TV (yes, 2005 is that long ago). I mean, what other sci-fi show has that much? You can say Star Trek, but those are all different series in the same universe (has any Trekkie every called TNG S1 'Star Trek series 4'?) and each is its own entity. You can start on any ep1 you want to, and they seem to be managing fine. To be fair, TNG didn't pretend to be the same show and nor did the others. They'd be closer to spinoffs, surely., than the continuing seasons. And some Trek fans DO call The Animated Series S4, as it's the next year of the 5-year mission! Trek's 50th had a new movie (which didn't do well and didn't celebrate the past despite being solid) which would have come out anyway and some news about then-in-development Discovery..which would have come out anyway. Doctor Who remaining the continuing adventures from 1963 to 2024 and on is remarkable. It would have been easy for the link to be broken - by the TV Movie, or by the 2005 series. But it stayed solid. Numbering getting too high can be daunting, especially for 21st century audiences. It's why Marvel and DC have rebooted more times in 20 years than the 50 years beforehand. It's why most film franchises drop numbers after a certain point and go for titles so they aren't seen as "old". Who is a bit of an anomaly in that it DOES want to be seen as old - so people know it's all one story, with a wonderful lineage, but it always wants the current eps to seem fresh. It's why the S9 trailers of "Same old, same old" were so roundly mocked. The bigeneration allows for a soft-reboot. The show has done that plenty even as recently as The Eleventh Hour and The Woman Who Fell To Earth with all new casts. But this international deal means renumbering on top of that soft-reboot approach gives it a real feeling of freshness. You can't do that often or it's boy who cried wolf stuff (one of the 1000 stories we laugh that BF say "It's a wonderful jumping on point") but with Tennant's Doctor rehabbing the demons of 60 years of telly, it gives the character AND the show a chance to have as fresh a start as possible..while also being Year 61 of the same show. Doctor Who has it's cake AND eats it. Binary! |
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 21:31:00 GMT
I wonder would Disney be interested in getting the streaming rights for Doctor Who 2005-23 when they expire from the current holders... if so, how would they refer to those seasons?! Working backwards from the final Jodie series it would be season negative 1, negative 2, negative 3 etc etc |
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 18, 2023 22:43:27 GMT
Season one is a bit of a naff title though. Very unoriginal. From celebrating the show's 60th anniversary to calling a new era season one jar's with me. But how appropriate for a show about time travel to follow the 60th anniversary with Season 1. |
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 23:30:02 GMT
Season one is a bit of a naff title though. Very unoriginal. From celebrating the show's 60th anniversary to calling a new era season one jar's with me. But how appropriate for a show about time travel to follow the 60th anniversary with Season 1. I have to concede. I like that shutupbanks. Muchly, |
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 19, 2023 0:58:11 GMT
But how appropriate for a show about time travel to follow the 60th anniversary with Season 1. I have to concede. I like that shutupbanks. Muchly, Totally welcome. |
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Post by martinw8686 on Dec 19, 2023 1:22:03 GMT
I have to say series or season has never bothered me, In general I consider a short run of 6 episodes to be a series and longer runs which would have been broadcast over months to be a season.
One phrase I've never been keen on in media is franchise. It seems to be the go to phrase for things such as Star Wars and Marvel.
When I hear franchise, it brings to mind McDonald's not something creative and meaningful.
I'm not so keen on Disney Who as a reference , as to me it sounds like it's their product, I would equally dislike BBC Who as a reference period to be fair.
As it's a reference to New New York, I'm rather taken with New Nu Who. If there's a quirky option, I'll always embrace it. 🤪
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One day you'll think "I spend my time just....hating and pissing on things others like EVERY day...what a waste". Until then - cheerio, JHD! Maybe I'll see you on your next username!
