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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 8, 2024 19:34:52 GMT
I'm not sold on this years 4th Doctor sets. I thinks it's because the first set has a Sea Devils 2 parter, and their not one of my favourites.
Hopefully my enthusiasm will rise once some positive reviews build up.
Annette Badland was Wonderful in The Miniaturisist, and a female Toymaker could give the character a refreshingly different take.
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Post by timleschild on Feb 8, 2024 21:17:53 GMT
I know. That is why I mentioned when this was recorded. However do we know when the 60th was written? & BF do have to run things past BBC. The 60th wasn’t written when this was recorded because the 60th plans were borne of the watchalongs during the pandemic. I believe RTD mentioned it to David and Catherine after the The Runaway Bride watchalong which was December 2020, so the earliest the 60th could have been written was 2021. ok
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Post by dasmaniac on Feb 8, 2024 21:43:04 GMT
We've been overdue for another Fourth Doctor/Master encounter and I'm still hoping Beevers will pop up in the 3DAs as a pre decayed Master!
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Feb 9, 2024 4:51:41 GMT
Exactly. BF don't care much. I guess Daleks will turn up in a 9th Doctor adventure soon. Although this was recorded on 9 April, 13 September and 28 October 2019, 1 and 3 June 2020. It’s not BF “not caring” - all their Toymaker audios were either released or recorded before the 60th was even written. Can’t blame them for not having a crystal ball. RTD contradicted a number of stories by saying the Doctor hadn't met the Toymaker since the original story, so I'm not sure what the harm is in adding one more just because it happened to be released afterwards.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 9, 2024 5:39:42 GMT
Glad to have the master back with Tom baker especially Geoffrey Beevers Master
The decision to have the toymaker back and recasted Honestly they should have gone with the toymakers sister From the queen of time lost story i would rather have that as I feel it would have been something new to have a character from the lost story range reappearing in another range
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 9, 2024 16:48:41 GMT
Annette Badland is wonderful, especially as a villain, so looking forward to her interpretation of the Toymaker. And Geoffrey Beevers' Master is one of my very favourite incarnations and have missed his presence recently, so very excited for another rematch with the Fourth Doctor.
The 4DAs have had a terrific run recently, so hoping these Harry & Naomi adventures maintain that and offer that missing development from UNIT and the 7DAs.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Feb 9, 2024 19:53:51 GMT
Against my better nature, I read the comments on the Facebook announcement of this release, and some people are getting in a tremendous stew about how The Fourteenth Doctor said that he hasn't met The Toymaker since the original 1966 story.
John Dorney has replied that there are a few lines in this tale that explain that.
I don't recall Fourteen explicitly saying that they hadn't met since The Celestial Toymaker, but the Toymaker saying that he fought the first Doctor, Fourteen and then the next Doctor (Fifteen) - so who's to say that the Toymaker is meeting the Doctor in the right order? (Admittedly, I could have missed Fourteen's line about not meeting him since the original story in which case someone can correct me...) You are correct. The Doctor described his meeting with the Toymaker in The Celestial Toymaker to Donna but he did not explicitly say he hadn't met him since then. The Toymaker's count of how many games he had played with the Doctor sounds more concrete, but he could well have regenerated from Neil Patrick Harris to Annette Badland after "The Giggle" and met the Fourth Doctor next from his perspective.
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Post by timleschild on Feb 9, 2024 20:11:15 GMT
Not really interested in all the Sullivan and Cross stuff. Hopefully this will be OK.
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Post by ryan on Feb 12, 2024 20:48:24 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender?
I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle.
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Post by timleschild on Feb 12, 2024 20:53:48 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. Yep, the character appears to be treated like a timelord.
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Post by grinch on Feb 12, 2024 21:01:06 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. I suppose if the Toymaker is a being with the power to warp reality taking on another humanoid form would be child’s play. Mind you, that still doesn’t excuse the fact that the Toymaker in the Giggle didn’t act anything like the Gough version.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 13, 2024 5:48:24 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. Well the latter apparently the original toymaker was the possessed time Lord friend of the first Doctor (according to the novel Divided Loyalties) so let’s assume that Neil Patrick Harris is another victim which the celestial toymaker entity possessed but yeah it’s unclear on screen My head canon is that the toymaker took over a female body for the 4th Doctor audio
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Post by dorney on Feb 13, 2024 9:48:33 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. I’d suggest waiting for the audio for the answers. There’s no way anyone here will be able to provide them until then. But they’re in the story. And there’s also clues in Solitaire. Although I’m slightly confused myself as to why, given all the things the Toymaker has been seen to do on screen, this feels like it’s out of his league?
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Post by ryan on Feb 13, 2024 22:48:04 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. Well the latter apparently the original toymaker was the possessed time Lord friend of the first Doctor (according to the novel Divided Loyalties) so let’s assume that Neil Patrick Harris is another victim which the celestial toymaker entity possessed but yeah it’s unclear on screen My head canon is that the toymaker took over a female body for the 4th Doctor audio I'd love to see that backstory on the show. That adds a whole new fittingly macabre layer to the character.
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Post by ryan on Feb 13, 2024 22:55:34 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. I’d suggest waiting for the audio for the answers. There’s no way anyone here will be able to provide them until then. But they’re in the story. And there’s also clues in Solitaire. Although I’m slightly confused myself as to why, given all the things the Toymaker has been seen to do on screen, this feels like it’s out of his league? Looking forward to finding out. I think it's because he was always written so consistently, particularly in Solitaire. It was very clear that you'd put so much care and thought into ensuring that this character was very much the same as played by Michael Gough. The character seemed to have very little to gain from changing form, unlike a Time Lord where a new appearance provides new opportunities. I assumed that the Toymaker's change in appearance was a necessity of casting. The Toymaker generally kept his form consistent so I'm intrigued to see/hear why the Toymaker changed form in this way. It's an intriguing mystery from The Giggle that was sadly never touched upon.
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Post by dorney on Feb 14, 2024 8:35:55 GMT
I’d suggest waiting for the audio for the answers. There’s no way anyone here will be able to provide them until then. But they’re in the story. And there’s also clues in Solitaire. Although I’m slightly confused myself as to why, given all the things the Toymaker has been seen to do on screen, this feels like it’s out of his league? Looking forward to finding out. I think it's because he was always written so consistently, particularly in Solitaire. It was very clear that you'd put so much care and thought into ensuring that this character was very much the same as played by Michael Gough. The character seemed to have very little to gain from changing form, unlike a Time Lord where a new appearance provides new opportunities. I assumed that the Toymaker's change in appearance was a necessity of casting. The Toymaker generally kept his form consistent so I'm intrigued to see/hear why the Toymaker changed form in this way. It's an intriguing mystery from The Giggle that was sadly never touched upon. Glad you enjoyed it - heard it again last year and still happy with it. Feels like it’s by a totally different person though. I definitely did view it as a new ‘regeneration’, if you like. I think he has a line towards the end (or the Doctor does) about him changing form. Although having said that - this isn’t the same. For all manner of reasons. Much as it can match up with what the Giggle said about their encounters.
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Post by martinw8686 on Feb 14, 2024 15:29:08 GMT
I used to get a bee in my bonnet about continuity and the TV show contradicting my favourite books and Big Finish plays. But whenever this happens now, I just put it down to time constantly being rewritten. That way there's always options for the most expansive story telling.
I often think the Doctor at their most alien and peculiar is not a typical Timelord. The Doctor is someone who is constantly having puzzle pieces pulled out of their mind and rejigged with the consequences of their adventures up, down and all around the timelines.
So in a universe of timelines constantly being rewritten, I believe Doctor Who is in a unique position of being able to alter established charecters in ways other media would need a full reboot to achieve.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 15, 2024 7:36:55 GMT
I used to get a bee in my bonnet about continuity and the TV show contradicting my favourite books and Big Finish plays. But whenever this happens now, I just put it down to time constantly being rewritten. That way there's always options for the most expansive story telling. I often think the Doctor at their most alien and peculiar is not a typical Timelord. The Doctor is someone who is constantly having puzzle pieces pulled out of their mind and rejigged with the consequences of their adventures up, down and all around the timelines. So in a universe of timelines constantly being rewritten, I believe Doctor Who is in a unique position of being able to alter established charecters in ways other media would need a full reboot to achieve. Honestly i just accept the multiverse theory that adventures we see, read and hear are in their own universes hence why so many contradictions
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Feb 19, 2024 0:58:32 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Toymaker isn't a Time Lord so how can he change gender? I was also confused about the lack of explanation regarding his change in appearance and personality in The Giggle. But he is a cosmic entity, so potentially he always appears however he chooses. Or, since the Past Doctor Adventures novel Divided Loyalties has him as possessing the body of one of the Doctor's old schoolmates, his host body could regenerate if that's true. We also don't know for sure that regeneration is unique to Time Lords since we don't where the Doctor, from whom the Time Lords got the ability, originally came from except that it was another universe.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 19, 2024 15:10:31 GMT
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