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Post by captain jack on Jan 17, 2016 20:34:19 GMT
I've not listened to the Gallifrey series but was thinking of delving in. I was wondering how it fits in with whats going on with the Eighth Doctor as he heads towards the Time War? I know that the early Galifrey series are set after the Eighth Doctor is exiled to the divergent universe but where do the others fall? Are they all set before Dark Eyes? Or are some of them set after?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 20:42:56 GMT
I've not listened to the Gallifrey series but was thinking of delving in. I was wondering how it fits in with whats going on with the Eighth Doctor as he heads towards the Time War? I know that the early Galifrey series are set after the Eighth Doctor is exiled to the divergent universe but where do the others fall? Are they all set before Dark Eyes? Or are some of them set after? It's hard to tell, probably deliberately so. |
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Post by Digi on Jan 17, 2016 21:42:42 GMT
There are differing opinions...I'm sure that's deliberate, so that the BF writers don't accidentally write themselves into a corner. Really there's only a couple of confirmed date markers: (spoiler tags for Gallifrey stuff) - Leela and Romana both observe in Gallifrey S1 that the Doctor is "gone forever," referring to his exile into the Divergent Universe (which happens at the end of Zagreus).
- Narvin turns up in Dark Eyes 3, indicating that the Gallifrey trio have returned to our universe following their trip to parallel universes in Gallifrey S4-6
- The Doctor's appearance in the River Song box set is explicitly identified as being during the Time War, so that appearance would seem to take place (an indeterminate length of time) after Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, and whatever else BF has lined up for Eight between now and then
My personal preference, in terms of both timeline (though I know there are some here who disagree with me) and listen-ability is: Zagreus Gallifrey S1 Scherzo - Twilight Kingdom Gallifrey S2 - S4 Faith Stealer - The Girl Who Never Was EDA S1 - S4 Dark Eyes 1 Gallifrey S5 & S6 Dark Eyes 2 - 4 Doom Coalition 1 - 4 ... (whatever else BF has planned) not yet released: Sontaran Ordeal (this may change once the Classic/New set comes out) River Song: The Rulers of the Universe not yet released: Eighth Doctor: The Time War As to Intervention Earth...that one is a mess to try to place, at the moment. For a long time, I had wanted to put it during the Time War, but with G:IE 'approaching her final term of office' and Doom Coalition 1 apparently identifying a male Lord President, I'm no longer sure. It might have to go between Dark Eyes and Doom Coalition, but there's just no way of being sure right now. |
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Post by captain jack on Jan 18, 2016 21:56:14 GMT
Thanks guys thats helped me have a better idea on how best to start listening to them  i was going to place series 6 after all the Dark Eyes sets mainly due to having the modern Daleks on the cover whilst Dark Eyes don't but ill place it after Dark Eyes 1 now. |
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Post by lidar on Jan 19, 2016 12:54:31 GMT
This topic has been discussed in this thread: notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/80/gallifrey-leading-time-warI don't want to reheat an old debate but I'm afraid I have to dissent from the 8/Gallifrey chronology above as I really can't see any way the EDAs/Dark Eyes 1 can fit comfortably between Gallifreys 3 and 6 - basically because in the EDAs / Dark Eyes we see business as usual on Gallifrey, whereas Gallifrey is on the brink of collapse in Gallifrey 3 and has collapsed by Gallifrey 6. When I listen to the account in Gallifrey 6 of what happened since Romana et al left in Gallifrey 3 I really can't see the Gallifrey as portrayed in EDAs/Dark Eyes fitting in there. If we look at the Presidency, there is nothing in Gallifrey 6 to suggest that there was any President other than Matthias between Gallifreys 3 & 6, and the more natural reading of it is that there wasn't, so, on the principle of Occam's Razor, it makes more sense to me if the EDAs/ Dark Eyes come long after Gallifrey 6. But there is nothing cast-iron in the audios themselves so there is room for differing interpretations. |
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Post by constonks on Jan 19, 2016 14:01:36 GMT
I would have to agree with the above. I think the BF EDAs come after Intervention Earth for Gallifrey. Narvin and Romana have both been replaced - although Narvin creates a post for himself as Coordinator in Extremis when things go bad.
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Post by Digi on Jan 21, 2016 0:11:32 GMT
And I continue to disagree We don't see Gallifrey during the EDAs--at all. All we know about Gallifrey during that period is that they pluck out Lucie and block Eight from going to her home year/era. There's nothing to substantiate the end of the Gallifrey range in them. |
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Post by constonks on Jan 21, 2016 0:37:48 GMT
And I continue to disagree We don't see Gallifrey during the EDAs--at all. All we know about Gallifrey during that period is that they pluck out Lucie and block Eight from going to her home year/era. There's nothing to substantiate the end of the Gallifrey range in them. Actually I'll admit I was misremembering a bit. I had remembered a Lord President appearing alongside the Eighth Doctor but that was in Dark Eyes, not the EDAs. It could very well be Romana behind the scenes of those episodes. I still don't think Dark Eyes takes place during the dogma virus outbreak though, and I definitely don't think Tim Treloar was playing Matthias. Gallifrey doesn't feel defeated and chaotic but triumphantly meddlesome (ie. Business as Usual). |
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Post by lidar on Jan 21, 2016 10:58:51 GMT
And I continue to disagree We don't see Gallifrey during the EDAs--at all. All we know about Gallifrey during that period is that they pluck out Lucie and block Eight from going to her home year/era. There's nothing to substantiate the end of the Gallifrey range in them. We do see Gallifrey in The Vengance of Morbius. We can hopefully agree the EDAs take place immediately before Dark Eyes 1, therefore if you are right and DE1 is between Gallifreys 3 & 6 then the EDAs must be also. In the EDAs we meet Straxus a couple of times and the dogma virus is never mentioned, which you might expect if it was an ongoing crisis. The Time Lords play a role in the Vengance of Morbius and again the dogma virus is never mentioned. The Time Lords are in a weakened state in that story but that is put down solely to Morbius and the dogma virus is not mentioned. One could also argues that as Straxus regenerates successfully between the EDAs and DE1 the dogma virus was not affecting him, which points to DE1 being after the virus problem was sorted in Gallifrey 6. The Monk never mentions the dogma virus, it is a pretty big thing for Time Lords so you might expect it to crop up in comversation in passing at least ... Then there is the different President in DE1 (not Matthias), the non-mention of the dogma virus in DE1 etc. ... But I guess we won't see eye to eye on this |
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jan 22, 2016 0:57:44 GMT
It doesn't have to be between Series. What about the gap between Relative Dimensions and Prisoner of the Sun?
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i was going to place series 6 after all the Dark Eyes sets mainly due to having the modern Daleks on the cover whilst Dark Eyes don't but ill place it after Dark Eyes 1 now.
