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Post by kimalysong on Jan 18, 2016 15:37:01 GMT
At this point I am leaning on making the order in release order since more people here voted that way and perhaps we can get some new people to listen to Dorian (I am always hopeful). I am also considering starting shortly after the Bloodlust group listen to build on that momentum. However I wanted to see if people wanted to include these 3 stories since they are kind of outliers. Picture since it follows the novel it is obviously in another continuity. And the other 2 since I figure less people may have access to them (and also I am not sure if Shades of Gray is part of the same continuity as Confessions either). I was also thinking of possibly doing about an hr a week. So 2 regular length stories or 1 special a week? Do you think that is manageable time wise or would you like to do something else?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:22:01 GMT
As you asked, personally I'd only include The Feast of Magog. As the other two stories are not the same Dorian Gray, so I don't see them as part of the Confessions of Dorian Gray continuity... but it wouldn't matter either way I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 18:37:14 GMT
I'd maybe be inclined to do the Magog, Beny, DS ones afterwards as "bonus features" since I think ore than a few Dorian fans here may not have bought Worlds Of and might feel that if they're not Benny or Dark Shadows buyers they'd be jumping into the middle of ranges they might like to do in a set order later. I don't think they need be excluded though, since it IS Alex playing the role, even if it's not quite the Dorian we know from Confessions. Finding contrasts with "our" Dorian might be fun.
My preference is certainly release. It means people who may not have had money to keep up with the boxsets could still have picked up the earlier, cheaper DLs. Ad gives them longer to catch up on the boxsets if so inclined.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 18, 2016 19:07:59 GMT
I'd maybe be inclined to do the Magog, Beny, DS ones afterwards as "bonus features" since I think ore than a few Dorian fans here may not have bought Worlds Of and might feel that if they're not Benny or Dark Shadows buyers they'd be jumping into the middle of ranges they might like to do in a set order later. I don't think they need be excluded though, since it IS Alex playing the role, even if it's not quite the Dorian we know from Confessions. Finding contrasts with "our" Dorian might be fun. My preference is certainly release. It means people who may not have had money to keep up with the boxsets could still have picked up the earlier, cheaper DLs. Ad gives them longer to catch up on the boxsets if so inclined. I didn't even consider the Dark Shadows story because doesn't Dorian only have a brief cameo in that (I actually just bought it recently but have not listened yet). But I wouldn't mind doing that one too if ppl want to. But I do like your idea of doing Shades from Benny and Magog from World's as late bonus features. How do you feel about Pictures of Dorian Gray? And as of right now I am planning on doing the relisten in release order so more people are able to join in. (I can always do chronological on my own).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 19:18:26 GMT
Again, just spitballing, Picture would be a nice thing to do last in the listne through. It would bookend nicely with the very first story in the whole range and we'd be ending Dorian with the adaptation of where the character was really born. There's some nice symmetry there.
It also helps that its a really great adaptation, and I've seen and heard maybe a dozen. It's up there with the 1945 film and the Peter Firth tv version.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 18, 2016 19:21:23 GMT
Again, just spitballing, Picture would be a nice thing to do last in the listne through. It would bookend nicely with the very first story in the whole range and we'd be ending Dorian with the adaptation of where the character was really born. There's some nice symmetry there. It also helps that its a really great adaptation, and I've seen and heard maybe a dozen. It's up there with the 1945 film and the Peter Firth tv version. I actually disliked the 1945 film (except for Lansbury & Sanders and the scene with the color photo) But thank you I am liking your ideas!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 19:28:44 GMT
Again, just spitballing, Picture would be a nice thing to do last in the listne through. It would bookend nicely with the very first story in the whole range and we'd be ending Dorian with the adaptation of where the character was really born. There's some nice symmetry there. It also helps that its a really great adaptation, and I've seen and heard maybe a dozen. It's up there with the 1945 film and the Peter Firth tv version. I actually disliked the 1945 film (except for Lansbury & Sanders and the scene with the color photo) But thank you I am liking your ideas! I don't think there's been a film that truly shows the hedonism and the hubris that Dorian displays when he truly embraces his immortality. BF do a lot more with that than other adaptations. The 2009 film had an excellent cast - Colin Firth as Sir Henry was inspired - but it was one of the weaker versions. It's such a classic tale that, like the 39 Steps or A Christmas Carol, I watch and listen to every version I can.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 19:49:20 GMT
I voted for all three. I think it is important to listen to Picture as it inspired Confessions (and the other way round in-universe).
I do want to do Shades but many would not own it. On the other hand it does come last chronologically by such a big margin that maybe we can break "in release order" for it and make it part of davygallagher's bonus features.
I also voted for Feast, although I'm unsure about how easy it is to listen to just that, and not the rest of Worlds of Big Finish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 19:57:08 GMT
Dorain also has a small role in the preceding story in Worlds of Big Finish - Holmes' The Adventure of The Bloomsbury Bomber.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 18, 2016 20:33:00 GMT
I agree with Picture and Shades as bonus listens. I'm not too bothered about Feast of Magog to be honest
Cheers
Tony
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Post by omega on Jan 18, 2016 22:31:24 GMT
As much as it's a great story, the Dark Shadows story The Darkest Shadow shouldn't count. The Dorian that appears in that is simple a cameo who doesn't affect the story, and in hindsight marketing it to Dorian fans could be overhyping it. The subtler connections are far more satisfying, such as between Victoria Lowell from Series Three and the Skin Walkers in the DS story of the same name.
Shades of Grey is still potentially part of the Dorian Gray canon. All we know is that series five is where Big Finish's stories with Dorian end, he doesn't necessarily have to be out of the picture (pun unintended) in-universe. It's possible that the final story might end with Dorian wanting as close to a fresh start as he can get, wanting to help people and living far, far into the future up to and beyond what we hear in Shades of Grey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 22:37:04 GMT
I don't see why anything he appears in "shouln't count". If you don't want to count it, or any story,..just don't listen to that story on the listen through and don't respond that day - problem solved! If others want to post, let them.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 18, 2016 23:13:04 GMT
As much as it's a great story, the Dark Shadows story The Darkest Shadow shouldn't count. The Dorian that appears in that is simple a cameo who doesn't affect the story, and in hindsight marketing it to Dorian fans could be overhyping it. The subtler connections are far more satisfying, such as between Victoria Lowell from Series Three and the Skin Walkers in the DS story of the same name. Shades of Grey is still potentially part of the Dorian Gray canon. All we know is that series five is where Big Finish's stories with Dorian end, he doesn't necessarily have to be out of the picture (pun unintended) in-universe. It's possible that the final story might end with Dorian wanting as close to a fresh start as he can get, wanting to help people and living far, far into the future up to and beyond what we hear in Shades of Grey. I imagine there may be some cross over with Dark Shadows fans. In fact it may not hurt to do the Darkest Shadow first to jump start Dorian Gray relisten But maybe we should post it in the Dark Shadows board? Just an idea. As for Shades of Grey that is true we don't know if it is part of the Confessions continuity or not yet (and note I still need to listen to it but I know roughly what it is about). Series 5 could potentially link to Shades of Grey or it can take Dorian in an entirely new direction. My concern is that not everyone may have it but we can do it at the end & if people have the release they can join in and if they don't they can just not participate. I think that works.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 19, 2016 1:16:31 GMT
At this point I am leaning on making the order in release order since more people here voted that way and perhaps we can get some new people to listen to Dorian (I am always hopeful). I am also considering starting shortly after the Bloodlust group listen to build on that momentum. I was also thinking of possibly doing about an hr a week. So 2 regular length stories or 1 special a week? Do you think that is manageable time wise or would you like to do something else? An hour a week should work. That is what I was planning on doing on my own. I only started to.listen to Dorian this fall so missed out on the discussions the first time around.
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Post by Trace on Jan 19, 2016 2:33:14 GMT
I love the idea of including Pictures, Magog, and Shades...so I voted for all three as well. As for Darkest Shadow, sure! There's lots of fans of both series. Also, the one-hour-a-week sounds perfect!
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Post by elkawho on Jan 19, 2016 3:49:50 GMT
I second Dave's idea of listening to them at the end of the Confessions listen through. I'm really liking these group listens. Thanks for getting this started, Kim.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 19, 2016 15:13:53 GMT
I love the idea of including Pictures, Magog, and Shades...so I voted for all three as well. As for Darkest Shadow, sure! There's lots of fans of both series. Also, the one-hour-a-week sounds perfect! What do you think about starting with the Darkest Shadows at the Dark Shadows board. It is more of a Dark Shadows release anyways right? Tentative Schedule: Wk 1- Darkest Shadows Wk 2: This World Our Hell & The Houses in Between Wk 3: The Twittering of Sparrows & the Heart That Lives Alone Wk 4: Ghosts of Christmas Past Wk 5: The Fallen King of Britain & The Picture of Loretta Delphine Wk 6: The Lord of Misrule & Murder on 81st Street Wk 7: The Immortal Game and Running Away with You Wk 8: The Prime of Deacon Brodie Wk 9: The Mayfair Monster Wk 10: Blank Canvas & The Needle Wk 11: We are Everywhere & Echoes Wk 12: Pandora & Heart and Soul Wk 13: Displacement Activity & The Darkest Hour Wk 14: Enigma & Freya Wk 15: Human Remains & His Dying Breath Wk 16: Banshee and The Abysmal Sea Wk 17: Inner Darkness and the Living Image (plus Trick or Treat as a bonus) Wk 18: Desperately Seeking Santa (plus Frostbite as a bonus) Wk 19: All Through the House Wk 20: The Feast of Magog & Shades of Grey Wk 21: The Picture of Dorian Gray * Release wise Ghosts of Christmas Past comes after Fallen King but I liked grouping the 30 min stories together * Trick or Treat & Frostbite came out as individual releases a bit earlier but they were also included with Series 4 & the latest Christmas special. They could be moved but they are so short I didn't think they should be in their own week. * Weeks 20 and 21 are a bit longer than an hour but since they are bonus weeks I think this works. Wow that's a lot of Dorian...not that I don't want more. Edit: I did this quickly at work and somehow forgot All Through the House. Fixed now!
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Post by Trace on Jan 20, 2016 2:30:56 GMT
That looks like a plan! That way, if some people don't have the Dark Shadows story, they will just begin the listen-thru the following week. And same holds true for the bonuses at the end!
And I'm assuming we'll begin the Darkest Shadow in the week following the end of Bloodlust, since you had said you'd probably start when the current DS listen-thru ends (which also works for me as well).
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 20, 2016 2:39:42 GMT
Are you including All Through the House as part of wk 18, that would be 2hrs Never mind
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 20, 2016 2:41:32 GMT
Are you including All Through the House as part of wk 18, that would be 2hrs I literally just edited it. No I just forgot it as I was posting this quickly at work. It will be wk 19. So 21 weeks in total. And yes I plan to start Darkest Shadows around the week after Blood Lust ends. I will post about it over there closer to the start.
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