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Post by nottenst on Jun 25, 2024 15:32:24 GMT
Honestly i am actually looking forward to this release granted i have not purchased or listened to The Morbius Trilogy (outside of the 15min Excerpts of Part One never really sold me on this) From listening to the Morbius Trilogy, I think you are okay starting from here. There was a mention of trying to bring about Dark Gallifrey and warnings about it, but not all that much "there" there as far as I could tell. As we progress through the series I presume we'll find out more of how each trilogy fits into the whole.
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Post by melkur on Jul 1, 2024 20:56:03 GMT
I can't remember if/when BF have announced the release-date yet, buuuuuuuut my copy's apparently on it's way.
Well, that's a first?
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Post by antartiks on Jul 1, 2024 21:49:03 GMT
Yeah they announced a few days ago that the audio will be out tomorrow, but your copy has been sent a little earlier.
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Post by Ela on Jul 2, 2024 6:10:01 GMT
I'm really interested in getting the War Master set because Benny is in it. Wish they'd have bundles by series instead of bundling together 2 series. Not sure I'm that interested in the Morbius series.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 2, 2024 8:16:51 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 2, 2024 13:33:25 GMT
Okay finished listening to Part One
Pros: * Good Performances from David Warner and Lisa Bowerman *A Great Emotional Scene with Bernice and The Doctor in the story which really stands out showing Bernice's emotional side it was the highlight of the story
Cons: * Completely forgettable story * Having the story out of sequence and backwards was just a stupid idea and by the end i was just like whatever get to the end credits * The Abomination was there like i dont know if it was the dialogue or the actresses delivery of the lines but i was like zzzzzzzzz
Results: 4 out of 10 as a standalone story its just not worth the price and honestly i just hope Part 2 and 3 make up for it because i feel like i got robbed
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Post by timleschild on Jul 2, 2024 16:45:23 GMT
Why did I do this to myself? Was it me thinking we'd get something different & interesting like Morbius? Was it the chance to hear David Warner one last time? God this was bad. I really don’t like saying this as it seems a bit mean, it's not his fault of course but David Warner does not sound good in this. Sadly not very recognisable compared to the last time I heard him in Blood & Steel. After the brilliance of Tim Foley with his story that was rich in atmosphere & character we get a big drop in quality, an out of order tale with some big mysterious Gallifreyan secret blah blah blah. A plot that jumps around all over the place in random order for no good reason. BF this is just boring now & no longer interesting. Been done before. Seems no real reason for this other than Goss/BF thinking how clever they are. You aren't. Have a point to doing this! This opening chapter is like a 20 minute prologue pointlessly stretched out to a full episode. The potential of this range looks like it has already died. This offers nothing that couldn’t have been done in the character’s own ranges. & it also seems very clear that this should have been released as a boxset with the other parts. I would recommend people wait & listen to it all together. & to top it all off, in the extras they say that {Spoiler} "this is an epilude...this is the last chapter...chronologically a coda...but planned to be released second". Why??? & Lisa Bowerman says she doesn't have a clue where she is in the drama. So how the hell are we the listener supposed to know??
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Post by martinw8686 on Jul 2, 2024 17:00:51 GMT
I enjoyed this very much. I like weird timey wimey stories but do feel this is definitely a marmite release.
Hopefully everything will make sense by part 3. As yet no sign of The War Master, who no doubt will be pretending to be a kindly old man before doing something truly evil!
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Post by dorney on Jul 2, 2024 21:48:11 GMT
. & to top it all off, in the extras they say that {Spoiler} "this is an epilude...this is the last chapter...chronologically a coda...but planned to be released second". Why???
I think you may be taking the description as an epilogue a bit literally. All the stories are standalone and can be heard in any order. Some of the point of having this here was to flag that one shouldn’t be too worried about the chronology of this series. There’s aspects of the influence of Alan Ayckbourn’s Norman Conquests here too.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 2, 2024 23:46:35 GMT
. & to top it all off, in the extras they say that {Spoiler} "this is an epilude...this is the last chapter...chronologically a coda...but planned to be released second". Why???
I think you may be taking the description as an epilogue a bit literally. All the stories are standalone and can be heard in any order. Some of the point of having this here was to flag that one shouldn’t be too worried about the chronology of this series. There’s aspects of the influence of Alan Ayckbourn’s Norman Conquests here too. Fair enough. But if I've been told in the extras that it is an epilogue, the final story, a coda, how else am I supposed to take it?
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Post by dorney on Jul 3, 2024 5:20:07 GMT
I think you may be taking the description as an epilogue a bit literally. All the stories are standalone and can be heard in any order. Some of the point of having this here was to flag that one shouldn’t be too worried about the chronology of this series. There’s aspects of the influence of Alan Ayckbourn’s Norman Conquests here too. Fair enough. But if I've been told in the extras that it is an epilogue, the final story, a coda, how else am I supposed to take it? I suppose I just don’t understand what you find so problematic about it conceptually. Things are told non chronologically all the time.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 3, 2024 6:44:32 GMT
Fair enough. But if I've been told in the extras that it is an epilogue, the final story, a coda, how else am I supposed to take it? I suppose I just don’t understand what you find so problematic about it conceptually. Things are told non chronologically all the time. I think that's my issue. It's done a lot. It has to serve a narrative function. Here it felt like a way of taking what to me seemed a short prologue & dragging it out. There didn't seem to be enough actual plot for the runtime. I may have felt different if this was a 3 part box set & I could go straight into the next part. Rightly or wrongly as this is the next story in the Dark Gallifrey range I can't help but draw comparisons with Morbius which was a breath of fresh air in terms of plot, atmosphere etc. We'll see how this range develops. It may be a case of picking & choosing releases according to my taste.
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Post by dorney on Jul 3, 2024 6:48:40 GMT
I suppose I just don’t understand what you find so problematic about it conceptually. Things are told non chronologically all the time. I think that's my issue. It's done a lot. It has to serve a narrative function. Here it felt like a way of taking what to me seemed a short prologue & dragging it out. There didn't seem to be enough actual plot for the runtime. I may have felt different if this was a 3 part box set & I could go straight into the next part. I was asking about what you found problematic with the War Master set being an ‘epilogue’ and being out second, not with this particular part having reverse chronology.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 3, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
I think that's my issue. It's done a lot. It has to serve a narrative function. Here it felt like a way of taking what to me seemed a short prologue & dragging it out. There didn't seem to be enough actual plot for the runtime. I may have felt different if this was a 3 part box set & I could go straight into the next part. I was asking about what you found problematic with the War Master set being an ‘epilogue’ and being out second, not with this particular part having reverse chronology. Ok. I don't see what narrative function it serve's releasing the final part of a range 2nd. It just feels gimmicky. The final release of Dark Gallifrey is in September 2027! We have to wait until then for this epilogue to make complete sense?
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Post by martinw8686 on Jul 3, 2024 8:13:39 GMT
I hugely enjoyed the reverse chronology story telling. The play became a puzzle piece, which I was happy to give my full attention to. I look forward to unravelling it's mysteries across the next two stories.
I would love Big Finish to do more stories in a similar style. John Dorney's "What Just Happened" from the Stranded box sets is a fantastic example of creativity that draws the listener into the narrative understanding more about the ending as we travel back to the start.
Time Travel and Paradox mayhem in an audio medium, I love it!
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Post by dorney on Jul 3, 2024 8:55:58 GMT
I was asking about what you found problematic with the War Master set being an ‘epilogue’ and being out second, not with this particular part having reverse chronology. Ok. I don't see what narrative function it serve's releasing the final part of a range 2nd. It just feels gimmicky. The final release of Dark Gallifrey is in September 2027! We have to wait until then for this epilogue to make complete sense? Like I say, this is an anthology series. You can hear as many as you like in whatever order you like. It isn’t literally a final part any more than it’s literally an epilogue (it’d probably be a pretty poor one to finish on, actually) and the War Master run will make complete sense in two months. It certainly serves an artistic function though and I’ve covered that above.
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Post by 20fridge on Jul 4, 2024 21:37:10 GMT
I quite enjoyed part one. The story told backwards gimmick worked thematically, given the timey wimey nature of the antagonist. I'd complain about the lack of War Master in the first part of a War Master trilogy, but I actually think it's appropriate for three reasons. 1) Many great War Master stories have him in the background until the end. This just takes that tendency to its logical extreme. 2) Those stories where the War Master is in the background often rely on the guest characters to carry them. Benny and the Unbound Doctor were an inspired choice to carry the story rather than the usual original character. 3) This is the War Master story in the Dark Gallifrey range, not a story in the War Master range. I now see why he gets a story in this range. If it were the War Master range, I think there would have to be at least an obligatory cameo to justify it being part of a War Doctor box set. Dark Gallifrey, on the other hand, is much freer to play with conventions.
This was a good final story for Warner's Doctor. It really centers on his relationship with Benny. He got to confront the Time Lords (or a version of them) one last time. Given that his introduction was an alternate version of them exiling him to Earth and his re-introduction involved his universe having lost all of them to a war, it was fun to see him confront their hypocrisy one last time.
I am curious to listen to parts 2 and 3. I'm apprehensive because I find Captain John very hit or miss. His TV appearances were all good, but his Big Finish appearances have ranged from grating to very entertaining.
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Post by nottenst on Jul 11, 2024 3:30:50 GMT
I enjoyed this very much. I like weird timey wimey stories but do feel this is definitely a marmite release. Hopefully everything will make sense by part 3. As yet no sign of The War Master, who no doubt will be pretending to be a kindly old man before doing something truly evil! I like marmite and I enjoyed listening to this tonight while driving to a game and back. It was quite a fascinating story and all of the interviews were fascinating - discussing how this subset came about with what characters and how it was recorded and so forth. And the epilude business is intriguing. There was at least one reference to Morbius in this and I am wondering if that was just referring to the first story or to him appearing again later. I wish we had the script so I could easily refer back to that. I am guessing that this will be even better after we've heard more of the stories. I'll probably want to listen to the whole thing a second time once it is all out.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 11, 2024 14:27:50 GMT
I didn’t feel like I got much out of this one. I lost track somewhere around the last third of how the scenes linked together. Maybe this is something a relisten in future can resolve.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 12, 2024 17:48:36 GMT
I didn’t feel like I got much out of this one. I lost track somewhere around the last third of how the scenes linked together. Maybe this is something a relisten in future can resolve. Summed up my thoughts perfectly. Not sure the reverse chronology contributed anything beyond trying to cover up quite a scarce plot and not being able to dive into the next two releases doesn’t help, which I sense will be an ongoing problem with this series. I think we need more of the series to buy into it more, perhaps this is a story that should’ve come later on in the range? Just thinking of an anthology trilogy with a couple of other one-off contributions, instead of taking up one of the War Master slots. Nice to get one last outing from Benny and the Warner Doctor, though, and he sounds much better than in Time Lord Immemorial.
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