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Post by mark687 on Jun 5, 2024 20:32:01 GMT
Official BBC Synopsis
The Doctor and Ruby land in 1813, where guests at a duchess’s party are being murdered and a mysterious bounty hunter called Rogue is about to change the Doctor’s life forever.
Cast List
The Doctor Ncuti Gatwa
Ruby Sunday Millie Gibson
Rogue Jonathan Groff
Duchess of Pemberton Indira Varma
Lord Barton Paul Forman
Emily Beckett Camilla Aiko
Carla Sunday Michelle Greenidge
Lord Galpin Maxim Ays
The Portrait Susan Twist
Housekeeper Debra Baker
Butler Ashley Campbell
Miss Talbot Nancy Brabin-Platt
Mr Price David Charles
Writer Kate Herron
Writer Briony Redman
Regards
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Post by timleschild on Jun 5, 2024 23:17:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 23:44:56 GMT
Average ep, first since Space Babies.
It feels like they went WAY too hard into The Doctor and Rogue having deep, deep feelings rather than just lust and then attraction. For The Doctor to wear his ring? Felt like a long term payoff not someone he's known for under an hour.
Richard E Grant in The Doctor's list despite RTD hating his Doctor was unexpected.
Title card tribute to William Russell was sweet.
My brother texted to say it's the first ep he liked this year though so horses for courses.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 7, 2024 23:54:01 GMT
Well done in some respects redundant in others. Rouge's a cut price Jack but once again Millie's excellent exploring another aspect in Ruby's personalty and good to see another way for the Doctor to deal with a Companions family. And DID THEY? put Richard E Grant in the List?! Regards mark687 |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 8, 2024 0:10:44 GMT
Just reading through spoilers online. Did he cry twice twice? And yes that was "u know who" in the list. I have a screen cap on my phone from FB.  |
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Post by relativetime on Jun 8, 2024 0:13:52 GMT
I liked this one! I think the worst I can say about the episode was that it felt like a smashup of The Family of Blood and The Empty Child, which seems to be an unfortunate running theme with this season feeling like remixes of RTD1's greatest hits. But like most of the season, it's still a really solid episode with Ncuti absolutely stealing every scene he's in - LOADS of great moments in this one! It's just a lot of fun!
I really, really like Rogue and I absolutely can't wait to see more of him. Jonathan Groff and Ncuti have great chemistry together and for me they're more what sells the relationship between them than the actual writing, though they are given a lot of cute moments together. I was worried going in that Rogue was going to feel like a Jack Harkness redux and you can kind of get the impression that that's what they were trying to invoke here (basically redoing the Rose/Jack scenes in The Empty Child but with the Doctor this time), but thankfully the similarities remain mostly superficial.
The bit at the end between the Doctor and Ruby is my favorite moment between these two so far - the Doctor attempting to slip back into bad habits and Ruby catching him and calling him out on it. It's small, but it speaks so much to how Speaking of which, I think this episode is maybe the closest we've gotten to a traditional "I am the Doctor" moment? That's not at all to say Ncuti needed one - personally he's been my favorite RTD Doctor bar none - but it was fun to see a glimpse of the Oncoming Storm in him.
Also also, I was thrilled to see a Jo Martin cameo amongst the Doctor's past faces! And the Doctor singing Pure Imagination as he introduces Rogue to the TARDIS has got to be my favorite "it's bigger on the inside" moments ever!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 0:17:49 GMT
Just reading through spoilers online. Did he cry twice twice? And yes that was "u know who" in the list. I have a screen cap on my phone from FB. Especially with it being broadcast worldwide at the same time now, I really don't get looking up spoilers for the show. The crew spend ages to write drama then you just look up summaries online? I can't imagine anything worse, as a writer. Just seems like there's a difference between being spoiled and seeking them out which is antithetical to storytellling. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 8, 2024 0:21:57 GMT
Just reading through spoilers online. Did he cry twice twice? And yes that was "u know who" in the list. I have a screen cap on my phone from FB. Especially with it being broadcast worldwide at the same time now, I really don't get looking up spoilers for the show. The crew spend ages to write drama then...you just look up summaries online? I can't imagine anything worse, as a writer. Then that might be something that an artist would have to get used to/get over/expect. Movie and tv show trailers, plot synopsis releases, music snippets being released (in general)..
I logged into FB about 20 mins ago and the 1st thing that popped up before my eyes was That pic that has been discussed a few posts earlier.
This has been discussed with a past long time ex forumer here and it ended on a positive note.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 8, 2024 0:36:46 GMT
I think this one had some good moments but it's less than the sum of its parts. I am curious about that moment with the faces. Was that Shalka???
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 8, 2024 0:43:02 GMT
I guess Nick Briggs isn’t going to be happy with the inclusion of that cameo
But hey means big finish now has another doctor
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 8, 2024 0:43:34 GMT
I think this one had some good moments but it's less than the sum of its parts. I am curious about that moment with the faces. Was that Shalka??? Yep Richard e grants Doctor is now canon to the show |
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Post by agentten on Jun 8, 2024 1:08:28 GMT
Well, this far into the season, I think I'm willing to say that this has been an uneven season. There have been three episodes that I thought were not up to standard, "Space Babies", "The Devil's Cord", and "Rogue", and three that I thought were excellent, "Boom", "73 Yards", and "Dot and Bubble". That's batting .500 so far, which is not ideal. My complaints about this week:
- The sudden relationship with Rogue felt really forced. It moved so fast. After perhaps 15 minutes of knowing each other, they were talking about traveling the galaxy together. I just didn't buy it. I didn't feel like the actors had chemistry and it was so rushed that it felt artificial.
- I'm not sure why Rogue is so much like Captain Jack. He's this square jawed, American accented, brown haired, Time Agenty guy with guns and gadgets but without the charm and charisma of John Barrowman so is he there because the BBC wouldn't let RTD bring back Barrowman because of the scandals so we got this instead? Because Rogue has a "we have Captain Jack at home" vibe that just didn't work for me.
- I was disappointed that Susan Twist appeared only as a painting this week. After the mutual recognition of her last week I was hoping for more.
- It's a little confusing where the Richard E. Grant Doctor fits in now. Did he become part of The Doctor's timeline as a result of the salt shaker incident? Is he counting as two Doctors because he played two Doctors in various media? But of course, viewers will know his face as The Great Intelligence, so . . .What's going on exactly? Also, he didn't look young as when he played The Doctor. He looked older as he does now. Does that mean we're going to be seeing him pop up on the show? How are they going to explain River not having a record of him in her fold out billfold of Doctor mugshots?
- The episode felt like it was all over the place. It tried to do too much and didn't really serve any of its plot threads well. I kept forgetting about the cosplayers even being there.
- The lethal cosplayers were about the least intimidating villains in a long time. Some of them looked comically like Muppets.
- I hate saying this, but I need for The Doctor to stop crying in every episode. It weakens the impact of the real moments when he should cry.
My least favorite episode so far this season and may wind up on my all time least favorite episodes list. Happy for anyone who enjoyed it, but it felt half baked to me.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 8, 2024 2:49:37 GMT
Well, this far into the season, I think I'm willing to say that this has been an uneven season. There have been three episodes that I thought were not up to standard, "Space Babies", "The Devil's Cord", and "Rogue", and three that I thought were excellent, "Boom", "73 Yards", and "Dot and Bubble". That's batting .500 so far, which is not ideal. My complaints about this week: - The sudden relationship with Rogue felt really forced. It moved so fast. After perhaps 15 minutes of knowing each other, they were talking about traveling the galaxy together. I just didn't buy it. I didn't feel like the actors had chemistry and it was so rushed that it felt artificial. - I'm not sure why Rogue is so much like Captain Jack. He's this square jawed, American accented, brown haired, Time Agenty guy with guns and gadgets but without the charm and charisma of John Barrowman so is he there because the BBC wouldn't let RTD bring back Barrowman because of the scandals so we got this instead? Because Rogue has a "we have Captain Jack at home" vibe that just didn't work for me. - I was disappointed that Susan Twist appeared only as a painting this week. After the mutual recognition of her last week I was hoping for more. - It's a little confusing where the Richard E. Grant Doctor fits in now. Did he become part of The Doctor's timeline as a result of the salt shaker incident? Is he counting as two Doctors because he played two Doctors in various media? But of course, viewers will know his face as The Great Intelligence, so . . .What's going on exactly? Also, he didn't look young as when he played The Doctor. He looked older as he does now. Does that mean we're going to be seeing him pop up on the show? How are they going to explain River not having a record of him in her fold out billfold of Doctor mugshots? - The episode felt like it was all over the place. It tried to do too much and didn't really serve any of its plot threads well. I kept forgetting about the cosplayers even being there. - The lethal cosplayers were about the least intimidating villains in a long time. Some of them looked comically like Muppets. - I hate saying this, but I need for The Doctor to stop crying in every episode. It weakens the impact of the real moments when he should cry. My least favorite episode so far this season and may wind up on my all time least favorite episodes list. Happy for anyone who enjoyed it, but it felt half baked to me. It’s possible REG’s appearance is part of either being a Pre Hartnell Doctor or part of Bi Generation of either McGann or Hurt |
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 8, 2024 4:02:44 GMT
I've seen some people argue that's not Richard E. Grant and is in fact Michael Jayston as The Valeyard. Seems unlikely but I suppose we'll have to wait for RTD to clear it up.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 8, 2024 5:04:48 GMT
Did not enjoy that at all.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 8, 2024 5:05:41 GMT
Just reading through spoilers online. Did he cry twice twice? And yes that was "u know who" in the list. I have a screen cap on my phone from FB. Especially with it being broadcast worldwide at the same time now, I really don't get looking up spoilers for the show. The crew spend ages to write drama then you just look up summaries online? I can't imagine anything worse, as a writer. Just seems like there's a difference between being spoiled and seeking them out which is antithetical to storytellling. I agree. Such a weird thing to do. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 8, 2024 5:17:23 GMT
Especially with it being broadcast worldwide at the same time now, I really don't get looking up spoilers for the show. The crew spend ages to write drama then you just look up summaries online? I can't imagine anything worse, as a writer. Just seems like there's a difference between being spoiled and seeking them out which is antithetical to storytellling. I agree. Such a weird thing to do. ..Kind of like posting on a forum.
If anyone is wanting to step up and judge me for my personal life decisions please announce yourself now so the spotlight is on you.
I have a young son. so the responsible thing to do is to find out if there is anything too scary for him to see.
Thank You. End of Discussion.
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Post by 20fridge on Jun 8, 2024 6:47:44 GMT
Overall, a fun episode. It was great to have a second pseudo-historical this season. While Rogue did have a cut-rate Captain Jack Harkness feel, they definitely could not have used Jack to the same effect. jack and the Doctor have to much history for the sense of "is Rogue the villain?" early on and for the romance later on to work the same way (if at all). The villains being evil alien cosplayers was classic RTD (in the best way).
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 8, 2024 7:36:40 GMT
It was better than Space Babies…
The story, performance and look of the episode was fine. The only things that let it down for me were:
1. Doctor crying again: a character trait like that works much more effectively when it’s used sparingly, like 4 losing his temper with a villain, or 3 expressing some moral outrage. If we get it every episode, it’s just becomes a piece of shorthand and loses its effectiveness, like 10 getting angsty over being the last of the Time Lords)
2. the Chuldur all looking like different types of birds, which really only bothered me because of that one guy with the four wispy bits of plumage that made him look comical rather than a lethal cosplayer. I can get behind the idea of a killer bird (I live in Australia, after all) but one that makes me laugh is a bit much.
3. Rogue and the Doctor becoming instantly attracted to one another felt overly-forced to me. I liked Rogue and their banter was fabulous but I just found the idea of them as a couple to be a bit much (I felt the same way about River Song as well, tbh).
I loved the REG retcon and there was a lot of other fun stuff in there, too, but this was a step backwards for me.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 8, 2024 8:04:04 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It’s Fifteen and Ruby in a more conventional story and that’s I was wanting.
Rogue has some superficial similarities to Jack but he’s a lot less willing to play along with the Doctor’s games whereas the Doctor here is much more willing to have fun than Nine ever was. We’ll probably see him again, given he seems to have a connection to “the boss” (first time that’s been alluded to since the Meep), and I’m up for that.
And long live Scream of the Shalka.
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