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Post by martinw8686 on Jul 15, 2024 14:12:40 GMT
I feel like the show also tends to undermine Kate's character at very nearly every opportunity by having her constantly talk about the Brigadier. It reduces her character immensely, as we're constantly told the thing about her that matters most is her ties to this other character (whom most of the current audience has never seen or heard of). Then we've got the big silly robot guy, the supergenius child (who they give firearms to), and they all live in the Avengers Tower, only it's better, because they've got a giant laser cannon mounted on a turret on their helipad. The whole vibe of RTD2's UNIT just screams "gradeschooler's fanfiction" to me -- the kind of thing a child would dream up while playing with action figures one day, only to forget entirely and replace with something totally different, yet effectively identically, the following day. Yes! I just pray for a scene where Kate doesn't mention her dad. The vibe of UNIT now is a Saturday morning cartoon, as you say silly robots, supergenius kids, giant lazers. Such a shame, RTD2s UNIT is certainly a fail for me. I like Kate and Osgood, so it would have been good to see them in a worthy reappearing role. I'd say I could split the era into success, still cooking (we'll see?), and failure. For me Success = Ncuti, Millie, 14s changing wardrobe, the return of Tennant and Tate via the specials , Boom, 73 Yards, The Devil's Chord, Rogue and Dot and Bubble. Also Mel's return. Still Cooking (we'll see?) = Bi-generation, Ruby's backstory, Mrs Flood, the boss, remaining gods, Rogue's fate. Failure = SPACE BABIES, Sutek, Ruby's mum reveal, UNIT, Church on Ruby Road (mostly the singing goblins), TOO MANY RTD written episodes, the song and dance routine at the end of The Devil's Chord, the clunky looking new sonic screwdriver. Some poor writing choices and plot holes, for example the Doctor falling for Rogue in a single episode, whereas recacurring appearances throughout the season like River would have been much better.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 15, 2024 20:42:56 GMT
Pros: Gutwa, Sutekh, the mix of serious and daffy, UNIT, the idea Sutekh’s defeat was because of curiosity and the Doctor thinking “what the TARDIS needs is a rocket in the console!” randomly one day and installing it because … why the hell not, rockets are cool, the fact that the Doctor sung a song ABOUT HIMSELF when stressed while standing on the land mine.
Cons: space babies. Rogue should have been built up a bit more rather than BAM love interest. Should have used the memory TARDIS more. Should have used Rose more (GOOD LORD thst woman’s tall!), no Osgood.
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Post by bethhigdon on Jul 16, 2024 20:26:37 GMT
Yes! I just pray for a scene where Kate doesn't mention her dad. The vibe of UNIT now is a Saturday morning cartoon, as you say silly robots, supergenius kids, giant lazers. Such a shame, RTD2s UNIT is certainly a fail for me. I like Kate and Osgood, so it would have been good to see them in a worthy reappearing role. I'd say I could split the era into success, still cooking (we'll see?), and failure. For me Success = Ncuti, Millie, 14s changing wardrobe, the return of Tennant and Tate via the specials , Boom, 73 Yards, The Devil's Chord, Rogue and Dot and Bubble. Also Mel's return. Still Cooking (we'll see?) = Bi-generation, Ruby's backstory, Mrs Flood, the boss, remaining gods, Rogue's fate. Failure = SPACE BABIES, Sutek, Ruby's mum reveal, UNIT, Church on Ruby Road (mostly the singing goblins), TOO MANY RTD written episodes, the song and dance routine at the end of The Devil's Chord, the clunky looking new sonic screwdriver. Some poor writing choices and plot holes, for example the Doctor falling for Rogue in a single episode, whereas recacurring appearances throughout the season like River would have been much better. Here's why there will never be a consensus among Who fans on what is good or not.
The musical numbers have been the season's highlight for me, while for you they are the low point.
Different strokes for different folks
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Post by martinw8686 on Jul 20, 2024 8:55:02 GMT
Such a shame, RTD2s UNIT is certainly a fail for me. I like Kate and Osgood, so it would have been good to see them in a worthy reappearing role. I'd say I could split the era into success, still cooking (we'll see?), and failure. For me Success = Ncuti, Millie, 14s changing wardrobe, the return of Tennant and Tate via the specials , Boom, 73 Yards, The Devil's Chord, Rogue and Dot and Bubble. Also Mel's return. Still Cooking (we'll see?) = Bi-generation, Ruby's backstory, Mrs Flood, the boss, remaining gods, Rogue's fate. Failure = SPACE BABIES, Sutek, Ruby's mum reveal, UNIT, Church on Ruby Road (mostly the singing goblins), TOO MANY RTD written episodes, the song and dance routine at the end of The Devil's Chord, the clunky looking new sonic screwdriver. Some poor writing choices and plot holes, for example the Doctor falling for Rogue in a single episode, whereas recacurring appearances throughout the season like River would have been much better. Here's why there will never be a consensus among Who fans on what is good or not.
The musical numbers have been the season's highlight for me, while for you they are the low point.
Different strokes for different folks
One thing I've always appreciated about Doctor Who is that each episode or era can offer something different from what has gone before and cater to different tastes. I'm glad you enjoyed the musical numbers, they were in two episodes and I found plenty to enjoy in other episodes that catered to my tastes. As fans we should celebrate our differing opinions and explore what we like and dislike. It's sad when fans tell other fans that they are wrong and that the the show can only be enjoyed one way.
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