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Post by jasonward on Jan 23, 2016 11:40:59 GMT
It could also be that BF want to hold back on what the title will be, not to hype it, but just so that they have some exclusive content for DWM or whatever. Surely that amounts to the same thing? If it's announced in DWM, it gets more fanfare, and thus more hype. That would by definition mean that all DWM exclusive announcements are hype. I don't see it.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 23, 2016 11:45:33 GMT
Question. Why is Hype being treated as if it's a bad thing?
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Post by dorney on Jan 23, 2016 12:36:00 GMT
Question. Why is Hype being treated as if it's a bad thing? It's not inherently, but hype raises expectations. Sometimes that's worthwhile, but you have to be very certain that what you're doing justifies it.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 23, 2016 12:37:39 GMT
Question. Why is Hype being treated as if it's a bad thing? It's not inherently, but hype raises expectations. Sometimes that's worthwhile, but you have to be very certain that what you're doing justifies it. True enough. Though I was trying to be more tongue in cheek with the sudden backlash to perceived hype of this release. I am not a clever man.
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Post by seeley on Jan 24, 2016 3:12:28 GMT
There's lots of things that can change during the process of working on a script that mean it's worth holding off on giving out information. It isn't only 'because the adaptation might fall through'. And there's trying to avoid it getting lost amongst other announcements - 10th Doctor, War, etc. True, and I'm obviously not privy to most of those things, so apologies if I assume too much. That said, this a novel adaptation, so surely the name won't change? And announcing an unusually large release without info a year and nine months in advance... I can see why people will be curious, but I just don't see that something that's pretty standard BF business practice can be viewed as an attempt to build hype. You can, if you wish, buy MR releases three years away without title, without writer, without Doctor, after all. A fair point, and put that way, I'm hard pressed to disagree. I suppose the difference here is that it was the sole item in the announcement for which no title was given. If these were purely original stories, I'd have thought "Ah, perhaps they don't have the title finalized," but seeing as these are novel adaptations, all of which have thus far kept their original names, I assumed that the lack of a title was in the interests of promotion. I think the announcement happened when it did in order to include all the stories in a pre-order bundle, more than anything else really. Again, a fair point, and I do feel a bit silly for forgetting about the bundle. That would by definition mean that all DWM exclusive announcements are hype. Yes. Why else would you say "We've got this new release coming out, but if you want to find out about it early, you'll have to read DWM!" The releases announced in DWM tend to be, if memory serves, things like the Gareth Roberts adaptations or the forthcoming Master trilogy. If BF weren't gaining some sort of promotional advantage from the DWM-exclusive announcements, why would they do them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 7:48:43 GMT
I think this is a case where Big Finish fandom is creating the hype and not Big Finish. The past 6 months or so we have seen Big Finish tease and hype a lot of new ranges & titles, sometimes in a pretty aggressive way and the build up for this looks nothing like that. I'd accept at face value what John Dorney has said. We will know what the 3 disc release is when BF is ready to announce it. The main difference as I see it is this is the only case where Big Finish have been taking preorders for a product for months without even telling anyone who is in it. We've been teased about upcoming things yes, but the only thing comparable to this situation is the main range where people are often preordering without knowing what doctor they're getting or any details of the adventure. It's different in the main range, if a story falls through they can just rejig the schedule and everyones happy, not announcing until the story is "in the bag" makes sense. As this is a special three disc story, if it falls through they're not just going to be able to stick in some random other story instead. So they'd have to refund all the preorders. So while I agree that they aren't building hype and are just following their standard policy, in this case their policy is not particularly intuitive, and many people on this forum are finding it quite irritating.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 24, 2016 10:15:06 GMT
Last night I dreamt it was "Warchild". On the basis that that's an odd choice, but has got Roz in it, that's as good a guess as any.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 24, 2016 13:12:53 GMT
That would by definition mean that all DWM exclusive announcements are hype. Yes. Why else would you say "We've got this new release coming out, but if you want to find out about it early, you'll have to read DWM!" The releases announced in DWM tend to be, if memory serves, things like the Gareth Roberts adaptations or the forthcoming Master trilogy. If BF weren't gaining some sort of promotional advantage from the DWM-exclusive announcements, why would they do them? There is a world of difference between getting good exposure from and relations with DWM, and hype.
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 24, 2016 17:12:49 GMT
Last night I dreamt it was "Warchild". On the basis that that's an odd choice, but has got Roz in it, that's as good a guess as any. If we're going with "odd" choices, then my guess would be Sky Pirates!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 24, 2016 20:37:51 GMT
If we're going with "odd" choices, then my guess would be Sky Pirates!Oh god yes. Only if the Bollywood dance sequence is treated like a cliffhanger, and gets its own Indian inspired them music to play us out.
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Post by chapwithwings on Jan 24, 2016 21:00:46 GMT
Only if the Bollywood dance sequence is treated like a cliffhanger, and gets its own Indian inspired them music to play us out. That would be fab
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Post by constonks on Jan 24, 2016 21:12:22 GMT
I'm personally hoping for something I don't own, as I recently found a horde of used VNAs. Cold Fusion preferably. Although, is So Vile a Sin long enough for a six-part adaptation?
(Also it is a real shame that we never got Nick, Lisa and Paul for a Dying Days adaptation.)
PS. That above comment makes me want to read Sky Pirates! right away.
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Post by lidar on Jan 25, 2016 8:02:03 GMT
The other point about creating hype is that TBA is a 3 disc release that costs an extra couple of puounds. That means it is literally bigger and, by implication, better than the other novel adaptations to date. Why else would customers spend more on it?
Whether the hype - admittedly limited to BF diehards - is deliberately created by BF or whether it is an unforeseen consequence we cannot say, but there is nvertheless a certain amount of hype/anticipation.
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Post by pawntake on Jan 25, 2016 12:10:50 GMT
I do not believe there has been any deliberate hype by Big Finish on this occasion. The release date has been announced to allow people the option of buying it separately or in a bundle. Simple as that!
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Post by bobod on Jan 25, 2016 12:55:03 GMT
Pretty much everything gets announced in DWm first. There's lots of varing reasons to do it that way.
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Post by bobod on Jan 25, 2016 12:56:27 GMT
I do not believe there has been any deliberate hype by Big Finish on this occasion. The release date has been announced to allow people the option of buying it separately or in a bundle. Simple as that! Yup. Don't they wait till things are recorded before naming them, anyway? So if it's not been recorded yet, then there's nothing noteworthy about the details not being available.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 25, 2016 13:16:11 GMT
Well if it's a case of "can't believe they're even attempting it", there's always the possibility of 'Happy Endings', that would take a phenomenally large cast and certainly fill up the 3 discs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 13:22:34 GMT
I do not believe there has been any deliberate hype by Big Finish on this occasion. The release date has been announced to allow people the option of buying it separately or in a bundle. Simple as that! Yup. Don't they wait till things are recorded before naming them, anyway? So if it's not been recorded yet, then there's nothing noteworthy about the details not being available. Not in this range, no. The announcement of Original Sin and Nightshade was March last year, not far off two years before release and long before recording for any of the adaptations. Even Theatre Of War wasn't recorded till July and that was announced last March too. So this batch of 5 have all been announced before recording.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 13:26:06 GMT
Pretty much everything gets announced in DWm first. Certainly in the past that's where the big stuff was announced but all the major Nu-Who releases - River, War Doctor, 10/Donna and gaining the licence for Nu-Who in general weren't announced in DWM but on social media after teasing clues for a few days beforehand. Torchwood was even announced on Barrowman's radio show rather infamously
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Post by bobod on Jan 25, 2016 13:27:51 GMT
Pretty much everything gets announced in DWm first. Certainly in the past that's where the big stuff was announced but all the major Nu-Who releases - River, War Doctor, 10/Donna and gaining the licence for Nu-Who in general weren't announced in DWM but on social media after teasing clues for a few days beforehand. Torchwood was even announced on Barrowman's radio show rather infamously Sorry - yeah, you're quite right, arent you? I suppose I really meant "Pretty much everything classic series gets announced in DWm first".
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