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Post by Bazoolium on Feb 13, 2016 11:37:40 GMT
To me (and your mileage may vary), the relationship between the two felt quite often like a stepfather and his adoptive daughter with the Fifth Doctor becoming quite close to Nyssa because of the complicated relationship between her own father and the Master. They were linked through adversity and became something of a makeshift family unit in the process whether it was intentional or not. However once you get to Cobwebs, there's a very different dynamic between the Fifth Doctor and Nyssa, which some people feel might not work for the character as he, she or they used to know them. I've always thought that the relationship changed when Nyssa travelled alone with the Doctor. They were on a much more even footing when it was just the two of them. They understood each other well and Nyssa's technical ability meant that she could often talk to the Doctor on his level. In Jupiter Conjunction the Doctor says he would never be so selfish to choose Nyssa over everyone else. It's a difficult relationship.to describe, they are very close, but I always felt that it was more than a simple surrogate father/daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 3:27:00 GMT
To me (and your mileage may vary), the relationship between the two felt quite often like a stepfather and his adoptive daughter with the Fifth Doctor becoming quite close to Nyssa because of the complicated relationship between her own father and the Master. They were linked through adversity and became something of a makeshift family unit in the process whether it was intentional or not. However once you get to Cobwebs, there's a very different dynamic between the Fifth Doctor and Nyssa, which some people feel might not work for the character as he, she or they used to know them. I've always thought that the relationship changed when Nyssa travelled alone with the Doctor. They were on a much more even footing when it was just the two of them. They understood each other well and Nyssa's technical ability meant that she could often talk to the Doctor on his level. In Jupiter Conjunction the Doctor says he would never be so selfish to choose Nyssa over everyone else. It's a difficult relationship.to describe, they are very close, but I always felt that it was more than a simple surrogate father/daughter. It's a bit of an overgeneralisation I agree, what began their friendship is altogether more mysterious then most companion pairings. Most companions started off their travels with a desire to escape or postpone the minutiae of their day-to-day lives in favour of extraordinary travels in time and space. These two however... I think the Fifth Doctor felt responsible for the genocide on Traken and the murder of Nyssa's father, whereas Nyssa on the other hand felt that the man who'd instigated it all wasn't to be held accountable. On the contrary, he was the one last vestige of stability she had and a vital link to her obliterated homeworld what with being Tremas's last friend prior to his death. It was all there bubbling beneath the surface, but it didn't really have an opportunity to come to the fore until (as you said) Adric perished and Tegan was abandoned. There was an understanding there that helped them counterbalanced one another, while remaining each other's equal. The father/daughter analogy makes a lot of sense to me because it seems that had Tremas perished in another manner with an opportunity to speak to the Fourth Doctor, he would have asked him to take care of Nyssa and the character herself always seemed like the quiet middle child in the mayhem of the Doctor, Tegan and Adric.
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Post by omega on Feb 14, 2016 3:51:46 GMT
I've always thought that the relationship changed when Nyssa travelled alone with the Doctor. They were on a much more even footing when it was just the two of them. They understood each other well and Nyssa's technical ability meant that she could often talk to the Doctor on his level. In Jupiter Conjunction the Doctor says he would never be so selfish to choose Nyssa over everyone else. It's a difficult relationship.to describe, they are very close, but I always felt that it was more than a simple surrogate father/daughter. It's a bit of an overgeneralisation I agree, what began their friendship is altogether more mysterious then most companion pairings. Most companions started off their travels with a desire to escape or postpone the minutiae of their day-to-day lives in favour of extraordinary travels in time and space. These two however... I think the Fifth Doctor felt responsible for the genocide on Traken and the murder of Nyssa's father, whereas Nyssa on the other hand felt that the man who'd instigated it all wasn't to be held accountable. On the contrary, he was the one last vestige of stability she had and a vital link to her obliterated homeworld what with being Tremas's last friend prior to his death. So you're suggesting that Nyssa lacks closure over the fate of Traken and the Master's possession of her father? The Doctor has his own personal issues with the Time Lords that refuse to end one way or another, so maybe the personal sore points are another aspect the characters have in common.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 10:11:44 GMT
It's a bit of an overgeneralisation I agree, what began their friendship is altogether more mysterious than most companion pairings. Most companions started off their travels with a desire to escape or postpone the minutiae of their day-to-day lives in favour of extraordinary travels in time and space. These two, however... I think the Fifth Doctor felt responsible for the genocide on Traken and the murder of Nyssa's father, whereas Nyssa on the other hand, felt that the man who'd instigated it all wasn't to be held accountable. On the contrary, he was the one last vestige of stability she had and a vital link to her obliterated homeworld what with being Tremas's last friend prior to his death. So you're suggesting that Nyssa lacks closure over the fate of Traken and the Master's possession of her father? The Doctor has his own personal issues with the Time Lords that refuse to end one way or another, so maybe the personal sore points are another aspect the characters have in common. That was my thinking. Cold Fusion has her discover from Chris Cwej that a Trakenite colony on the planet Serenity survived, so thanks to him there's a resolution there, but with her father... I don't think she will ever truly find closure for losing both of her parents (plus her birth mother as we discover) to violent and unnatural deaths. Nyssa has dealt with it by turning it into an emotional numbness, whereas the Doctor copes with his regrets and grievances by vicariously expressing them through his travels. Nevertheless, I can definitely see a link between the two there.
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