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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 20:47:12 GMT
I never knew Amy's Choice was under- or overrated. It was okay, never one of my favorites, though. Trust me, whenever any clips of Amy's Choice are uploaded or any tweets that talk about Amy's Choice, more often than not, the top comment(s) say the episode's underrated. Almost always. In the last big Doctor Who Magazine poll it was the 4th highest rated of the season - behind Vincent, The Pandorica 2-parter and the Angel 2- parter. Seems about right to me, honestly. Top third of the season suggests it's rated pretty well by fans.
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2019 20:48:32 GMT
It's that time again! 1. I'm not a huge fan of the Ponds. 2. Under The Lake / Before The Flood is the best (and only good) two parter in Series 9. (TBH, I didn't know this was unpopular until I started watching DW reaction videos) Totally agree again
Under The Lake is excellent great character piece for 12, very good support cast as well, Flood goes along great till the middle for a "Look at me I'm Clara" scène. luckily it doesn't de-rail it.
Also don't like the Ponds (Amy in particular)
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 20:52:22 GMT
Another one from me again: - Amy's Choice is one of those episodes that is perceived as so underrated, it's almost becoming overrated. Agreed but I'm on record as not liking Series 5 (save for Vincent and the Doctor)
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It's easily my favourite Matt Smith season. It really has a tone and a feel that keeps it quite distinct from what came before and after it. Almost Gilliam-esque in making a somewhat twisted fairy tale of a series, incorporating the real world into the fantastical much more organically than RTD did, or Moffat would after this. It's probably the only season In The Forest Of The Night could be moved to - it would fit perfectly there. Series 9 and 10 are probably my favourite seasons of the BBC Wales era but Matt and Moff's first has a special place for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 21:00:46 GMT
It's that time again! 1. I'm not a huge fan of the Ponds. 2. Under The Lake / Before The Flood is the best (and only good) two parter in Series 9. (TBH, I didn't know this was unpopular until I started watching DW reaction videos) Totally agree again
Under The Lake is excellent great character piece for 12, very good support cast as well, Flood goes along great till the middle for a "Look at me I'm Clara" scène. luckily it doesn't de-rail it.
Also don't like the Ponds (Amy in particular)
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The thing I hold against Flood is the backslapping it got for casting a deaf actress in Sophie Stone, only to have her deafness be absolutely essential to the plot. True representation would mean having Sophie cast and her condition not being, for lack of a better term, a plot device. I don't think the show would do that now, we've moved on quite rapidly in that regard. Apart from that I think there are some stunning visuals, some lovely scares and a terrific guest cast. I mean....Paul Kaye and Corey from Slipknot? Take a bow Andy Prior! I'm a Pond fan in general though I think things like Amy telling Rory to shutup and actually hitting him more than once did grate and have not aged well. A binge watch doesn't do Amy a lot of favours! But as RTD said when people criticised Rose for being selfish, they're supposed to be people with faults. Moffat would take that idea to it's zenith with Clara and her almost suicidal actions in S9.
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2019 21:08:15 GMT
Agreed but I'm on record as not liking Series 5 (save for Vincent and the Doctor)
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It's easily my favourite Matt Smith season. It really has a tone and a feel that keeps it quite distinct from what came before and after it. Almost Gilliam-esque in making a somewhat twisted fairy tale of a series, incorporating the real world into the fantastical much more organically than RTD did, or Moffat would after this. It's probably the only season In The Forest Of The Night could be moved to - it would fit perfectly there. Series 9 and 10 are probably my favourite seasons of the BBC Wales era but Matt and Moff's first has a special place for me. Ah organic that's what it not, it suddenly becomes "Alice in Wonderland" with one of the most obnoxious versions of female characterisation I've ever witnessed, it only softens once and that's in Vincent when the love interest isn't even a possibility
Agreed though Forest in this Series would have fitted better.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 3:20:15 GMT
Totally agree again
Under The Lake is excellent great character piece for 12, very good support cast as well, Flood goes along great till the middle for a "Look at me I'm Clara" scène. luckily it doesn't de-rail it.
Also don't like the Ponds (Amy in particular)
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The thing I hold against Flood is the backslapping it got for casting a deaf actress in Sophie Stone, only to have her deafness be absolutely essential to the plot. True representation would mean having Sophie cast and her condition not being, for lack of a better term, a plot device. I don't think the show would do that now, we've moved on quite rapidly in that regard. Apart from that I think there are some stunning visuals, some lovely scares and a terrific guest cast. I mean....Paul Kaye and Corey from Slipknot? Take a bow Andy Prior! I'm a Pond fan in general though I think things like Amy telling Rory to shutup and actually hitting him more than once did grate and have not aged well. A binge watch doesn't do Amy a lot of favours! But as RTD said when people criticised Rose for being selfish, they're supposed to be people with faults. Moffat would take that idea to it's zenith with Clara and her almost suicidal actions in S9. In retrospect, Clara's arc is rather fascinating. Particularly in light of Moffat's belief that the Hybrid was a pairing of Twelve and Clara together. She was chosen by Missy to be someone that would help her, inadvertently and by proxy, emotionally manipulate the Doctor. Her idea of what a companion should be and it's a deliberately bad match. Something designed to disintegrate under its own weight. For unconventional Doctor/companion pairings, there's an awful lot you can do with that. It's easily my favourite Matt Smith season. It really has a tone and a feel that keeps it quite distinct from what came before and after it. Almost Gilliam-esque in making a somewhat twisted fairy tale of a series, incorporating the real world into the fantastical much more organically than RTD did, or Moffat would after this. It's probably the only season In The Forest Of The Night could be moved to - it would fit perfectly there. Series 9 and 10 are probably my favourite seasons of the BBC Wales era but Matt and Moff's first has a special place for me. Ah organic that's what it not, it suddenly becomes "Alice in Wonderland" with one of the most obnoxious versions of female characterisation I've ever witnessed, it only softens once and that's in Vincent when the love interest isn't even a possibility
Agreed though Forest in this Series would have fitted better.
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I'm on record for not enjoying that era as much as others, mainly because I think the "mysterious woman" basis of story arcs of NuWho was starting to wear thin after ten years. It went out on a high, unravelling the mad woman in the basement, but I was really struggling there for a while as a viewer. That said, I do think that Jonathan Morris's run in DWM comics covering Eleven/Amy is enormously good fun. It's more akin to things like Flesh and Stone or Vincent with some genuinely clever concepts. Scott Grey did equally as well exploring that gloomier atmosphere surrounding the end of Eleven's life, as well. Hunters of the Burning Stone, in particular, remains the 50th anniversary story for me, something that could've only been accomplished in a printed medium. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I'm always excited to talk about it; a pairing of Eleven, Ian and Barbara that's true to the depiction of all three and a compelling sequel to An Unearthly Child of all things. There's something incredible after years of seeing the First Doctor and Ian argue that the schoolteacher turns around and actively defends the Eleventh Doctor to himself when he's caught up in his doubt. With just as much passion. It shows just how far the show can and has come since its early roots.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 18:23:23 GMT
Totally agree again
Under The Lake is excellent great character piece for 12, very good support cast as well, Flood goes along great till the middle for a "Look at me I'm Clara" scène. luckily it doesn't de-rail it.
Also don't like the Ponds (Amy in particular)
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The thing I hold against Flood is the backslapping it got for casting a deaf actress in Sophie Stone, only to have her deafness be absolutely essential to the plot. True representation would mean having Sophie cast and her condition not being, for lack of a better term, a plot device. I don't think the show would do that now, we've moved on quite rapidly in that regard. Apart from that I think there are some stunning visuals, some lovely scares and a terrific guest cast. I mean....Paul Kaye and Corey from Slipknot? Take a bow Andy Prior! I'm a Pond fan in general though I think things like Amy telling Rory to shutup and actually hitting him more than once did grate and have not aged well. A binge watch doesn't do Amy a lot of favours! But as RTD said when people criticised Rose for being selfish, they're supposed to be people with faults. Moffat would take that idea to it's zenith with Clara and her almost suicidal actions in S9. As someone who has been HOH since birth, I had no issue with this on watching. A case of 'and why not?'. Better to cast someone actually with deafness if it has been scripted as a character trait, though I would hope that it was not scripted with intention to highlight an actresses real disability. Drawing attention to such things is what gets peoples backs up when they feel it is their personal issue to deal with and not something for others to score virtue points over. But then, as I can listen to the audios (with headphones obs) I cannot speak on behalf of the profoundly deaf or indeed more severely afflicted. I certainly did not feel any of the irritation that I do every time I see that Maltesers advert though.
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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2019 0:43:23 GMT
I don’t think “Fear Her” is that bad. The idea of a child’s drawings coming to life is a creepily effective one. That scene towards the end with Cloe and her mom facing the evil drawing of her abusive father was chilling. I also love the scene with Ten carrying the Olympic torch!Sure maybe some of the child acting could have been better but I still think it’s a far better episode than it’s reputation would suggest 😀 I also have no problem with the idea of the Doctor being half human. I think it could be interesting if there was a storyline where it was revealed one of his parents was a human who fell in love with a Timelord. Maybe the Doctor could travel back and time to visit their human parent. Perhaps his parents being a human and a Timelord would inspire him to seek out Earth and humans.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 15, 2019 9:21:10 GMT
I still stsnd behind the idea of Graham being a Zygon.
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Post by Superium on May 20, 2019 3:10:42 GMT
It's honestly really sad seeing the reception the Secondary Console Room gets. There seems to be this pervasive opinion that it's not that great. More often than not, it's ranked in the bottom half. Personally, it's my favorite console room in the classic series.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 5:02:13 GMT
It's honestly really sad seeing the reception the Secondary Console Room gets. There seems to be this pervasive opinion that it's not that great. More often than not, it's ranked in the bottom half. Personally, it's my favorite console room in the classic series. It's a funny thing... My favourite console is the one from The Five Doctors, I really like how technical it looks. The walls themselves, I could take or leave; the indented roundels of the monochrome era with Hartnell/Troughton are more my style. The secondary console room's the reverse. I really like the room, the atmosphere and sense of comfort, but I could take or leave the console itself. The TVM console room feels like the best of both worlds, I wish we'd had more of it:
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Post by number13 on May 20, 2019 10:51:55 GMT
It's a funny thing... My favourite console is the one from The Five Doctors, I really like how technical it looks. Snap! It was love at first sight for me and this console in 1983 and on the 'Favourite prop' thread I almost chose this console but realised we'd have nowhere to put it (not having a dimensionally transcendental residence.)
So I picked the brain of Morbius as a sensible choice...
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Post by frisby78 on May 20, 2019 13:39:32 GMT
It's honestly really sad seeing the reception the Secondary Console Room gets. There seems to be this pervasive opinion that it's not that great. More often than not, it's ranked in the bottom half. Personally, it's my favorite console room in the classic series. I love the secondary control room. I would say my favourite is the TV movie control room though.
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Post by tuigirl on May 20, 2019 17:46:14 GMT
It's honestly really sad seeing the reception the Secondary Console Room gets. There seems to be this pervasive opinion that it's not that great. More often than not, it's ranked in the bottom half. Personally, it's my favorite console room in the classic series. It's a funny thing... My favourite console is the one from The Five Doctors, I really like how technical it looks. The walls themselves, I could take or leave; the indented roundels of the monochrome era with Hartnell/Troughton are more my style. The secondary console room's the reverse. I really like the room, the atmosphere and sense of comfort, but I could take or leave the console itself. The TVM console room feels like the best of both worlds, I wish we'd had more of it:
Who can ague with that? It is simply gorgeous.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 6:36:52 GMT
It's a funny thing... My favourite console is the one from The Five Doctors, I really like how technical it looks. Snap! It was love at first sight for me and this console in 1983 and on the 'Favourite prop' thread I almost chose this console but realised we'd have nowhere to put it (not having a dimensionally transcendental residence.) So I picked the brain of Morbius as a sensible choice... Oh, I can just imagine the dinner conversation now... It's got me thinking, I wonder if the inside of the console is dimensionally transcendental too? As in, you pull out one set of circuit boards and there's an impossibly deep shelf behind that one. It's a funny thing... My favourite console is the one from The Five Doctors, I really like how technical it looks. The walls themselves, I could take or leave; the indented roundels of the monochrome era with Hartnell/Troughton are more my style. The secondary console room's the reverse. I really like the room, the atmosphere and sense of comfort, but I could take or leave the console itself. The TVM console room feels like the best of both worlds, I wish we'd had more of it:Who can ague with that? It is simply gorgeous. And it feels lived-in, there's so much paraphenalia; leatherbound books, wrought iron candlestands, the gramaphone, armchair... Makes me wonder what state the room is in after a bit of buffeting. Does the furniture automatically right itself or is there a bit of a tidy-up afterwards?
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Post by tuigirl on May 21, 2019 7:31:20 GMT
Snap! It was love at first sight for me and this console in 1983 and on the 'Favourite prop' thread I almost chose this console but realised we'd have nowhere to put it (not having a dimensionally transcendental residence.) So I picked the brain of Morbius as a sensible choice... Oh, I can just imagine the dinner conversation now... It's got me thinking, I wonder if the inside of the console is dimensionally transcendental too? As in, you pull out one set of circuit boards and there's an impossibly deep shelf behind that one. Who can ague with that? It is simply gorgeous. And it feels lived-in, there's so much paraphenalia; leatherbound books, wrought iron candlestands, the gramaphone, armchair... Makes me wonder what state the room is in after a bit of buffeting. Does the furniture automatically right itself or is there a bit of a tidy-up afterwards?This reminds me of a bit of a niggle I had with Doctor Who for a while now... we never really get to see him during down-time. Remember some of the Star Trek episodes they did between adventures when you saw the lower decks or Picard on holiday or things like that? I would happily listen to an hour of the 8th Doctor and Liv bickering about cleanup duties and getting the books back in order...
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Post by frisby78 on May 21, 2019 16:16:59 GMT
Oh, I can just imagine the dinner conversation now... It's got me thinking, I wonder if the inside of the console is dimensionally transcendental too? As in, you pull out one set of circuit boards and there's an impossibly deep shelf behind that one. And it feels lived-in, there's so much paraphenalia; leatherbound books, wrought iron candlestands, the gramaphone, armchair... Makes me wonder what state the room is in after a bit of buffeting. Does the furniture automatically right itself or is there a bit of a tidy-up afterwards?This reminds me of a bit of a niggle I had with Doctor Who for a while now... we never really get to see him during down-time. Remember some of the Star Trek episodes they did between adventures when you saw the lower decks or Picard on holiday or things like that? I would happily listen to an hour of the 8th Doctor and Liv bickering about cleanup duties and getting the books back in order... I doubt Liv will stand any nonsense when it comes to such things...
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Post by tuigirl on May 21, 2019 17:58:03 GMT
This reminds me of a bit of a niggle I had with Doctor Who for a while now... we never really get to see him during down-time. Remember some of the Star Trek episodes they did between adventures when you saw the lower decks or Picard on holiday or things like that? I would happily listen to an hour of the 8th Doctor and Liv bickering about cleanup duties and getting the books back in order... I doubt Liv will stand any nonsense when it comes to such things... And exactly that I would like to hear... It would be glorious.
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Post by frisby78 on May 21, 2019 18:54:27 GMT
I doubt Liv will stand any nonsense when it comes to such things... And exactly that I would like to hear... It would be glorious.
I'd do the ironing. I find it very therapeutic.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 1:35:31 GMT
Oh, I can just imagine the dinner conversation now... It's got me thinking, I wonder if the inside of the console is dimensionally transcendental too? As in, you pull out one set of circuit boards and there's an impossibly deep shelf behind that one. And it feels lived-in, there's so much paraphenalia; leatherbound books, wrought iron candlestands, the gramaphone, armchair... Makes me wonder what state the room is in after a bit of buffeting. Does the furniture automatically right itself or is there a bit of a tidy-up afterwards?This reminds me of a bit of a niggle I had with Doctor Who for a while now... we never really get to see him during down-time. Remember some of the Star Trek episodes they did between adventures when you saw the lower decks or Picard on holiday or things like that? I would happily listen to an hour of the 8th Doctor and Liv bickering about cleanup duties and getting the books back in order... I think that may be where some of the shorter stories excel. The Doctor's Coat, from the Short Trips, is about Sixie finding out what's happened to his favourite bit of apparel. Nothing particularly worldshattering, but it says something about his Doctor when he starts to consider why he cares so much about it. Relative Dimensions from the EDAs skirts that from memory with the intent for a quiet Christmas with Eight, Lucie, Alex and Susan. The little drabbles in fanfiction excel at those moments of charm. There's the wonderful In Alien Soil, which I've never forgotten which is essentially the Doctor and Peri chatting about alien flora. Spying on Schoolteachers is a missing scene, of sorts, from Marco Polo with Susan and Ping Cho discussing Ian and Barbara.
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