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Post by Ela on Apr 28, 2016 14:19:16 GMT
Yes, I do see what you mean. In the classic series, the companions helped save the day, but perhaps not in quite a crucial way. One could argue that the BF companions fall on a range somewhere between the new and classic series.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 28, 2016 14:58:40 GMT
That all doctor who takes place in an alternate universe...
And we... We are alone
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 28, 2016 15:09:53 GMT
That all doctor who takes place in an alternate universe... And we... We are alone That my friend is too unpopular, controversial and downright depressing! Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 7:30:19 GMT
That has its own worrying implications actually... At its heart, Doctor Who is science fiction or at the very least science fantasy and sci-fi to me has always been about the wonder of foreign worlds who birth unearthly children. I said Red Dawn was something of a period piece nowadays because that 1990s brighter future and brave new worlds outlook doesn't exist in the same way it once was. It makes me wonder... Have we forgotten how to marvel at the strange and the abnormal? Are we no longer satisfied by touching the alien sand, hearing the cry of strange birds and watching them wheel in another sky? Have we become so self-obsessed and so cynical about the world that we can no longer imagine beyond our own sphere? I don't have any answers to give, but I have to ask: What happened to that sense of wonder? We grew up and saw what life is really like Cheers Tony Boy am I grumpy today! EDIT: Beautiful words @wolfie53 - I do still see that wonder ... in my son's eyes. As we get older we (I, definitely) become more cynical and forget how to see the wonder we used to see as children. I forget the last time I just looked at the stars or watched clouds forming shapes - everything is rush, rush and be afraid of everything. I partly blame the media, but also the lifestyle we are expected to lead these days. Oh to go back to that innocence ... Thanks. I had a thought about it and you're absolutely right. Before I even entered adulthood I could tell that people were living their lives far, far too quickly. Sometimes you need to just slow down and take stock of what you do have instead of what you don't. Like... We live in an age where either one of us can talk to someone on another continent almost instantaneously. I'm part of the generation who grew into the internet rather than being straight out born with it and I think that's amazing. It's not even restricted to what people have accomplished, someone connected to the European Space Agency wants to put a multinational lunar base up in orbit and start construction within the next century; Stephen Hawking and his cohorts are building solar sail technology that could take us to Mars in under an hour; this is all stuff that's happening right now in the world. I'm only twenty, but I have a theory about cynicism actually. A cynical feeling of distrust in and of itself isn't really an issue, because it gives adults the ability to truly recognise something incredible in the darnedest of places. Grief and misery, while it has its place, is just a diversion from what's really important. It's a reminder that despite however old we become, it's important to be able to marvel at the little things. The strange, the marvellous, the magical.
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Post by bobod on Apr 29, 2016 9:27:29 GMT
Ah, the everyone is crucial and special to the universe thing. I don't know what to say about that. Donna was the first one, wasn't she? It really worked with Donna, but it wasn't really played up throughout the series with her so much that it became a thing. I see that really becoming a thing with Amy. It was "all about" her. Clara was a mystery to be solved, but more crucial to the Doctor's timeline, I think, then to the universe. My two cents' worth. Lol! Depends how you look at it : Rose - central to the Doctor and crossed the void for him (Tenth Doctor quote " Rose Tyler: Defender of the Earth") and comes back to help Donna in "Turn Left", Martha - started off being a simple companion but ended up saving the Tenth Doctor with her stories Donna (I like Donna) - Appears in the Tardis after Rose departs, the Doctor-Donna (superb), seems to have a special Grandfather (Wilf) Wilfred Mott - " Who are you Wilfred Mott?" asks the Tenth Doctor Amy ... 'nuff said (I like Amy), Rory (" destined to die and die again") Clara - we know all about Clara How about an average companion once in a while lol Cheers Tony To be honest, if you're going to be that general, any companion is going to qualify simply by the virtue of being given a strong plot and character. That Martha one pretty much boils down to "got involved in the storyline".
I do know to a degree what you mean though, some of the Donna and Wilf stuff was a bit heavy-handed. In the same way as the 'and now the bit where only Donna cares like a real person" virtually every week and as how Russell liked the companions to say things like "I'll never leave you/We'll always do this/..."
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2016 13:53:35 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 17:33:36 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'. I read the TARDIS Wiki about that story today and found out that Colin Baker thought Saville was "unprofessional" and winces when Saville kisses Janet Fielding's hand.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2016 17:42:22 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'. I read the TARDIS Wiki about that story today and found out that Colin Baker thought Saville was "unprofessional" and winces when Saville kisses Janet Fielding's hand. Yeah, he did an interview after the stuff came out about Saville where he called him creepy, patronising and childish.
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Post by bobod on Apr 30, 2016 20:47:55 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'. I read the TARDIS Wiki about that story today and found out that Colin Baker thought Saville was "unprofessional" and winces when Saville kisses Janet Fielding's hand. The 'wince' is the Doctor not Colin.
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Post by bobod on Apr 30, 2016 20:48:33 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'. Oh what rot.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2016 22:12:12 GMT
I recently found out about the theory that Janet Fielding was cast as Tegan Jovanka in A Fix With Sontarans because she knew through her journalist husband that Jimmy Saville was a dodgy character so was brought in to protect Gareth Jenkins. It explains a lot, including the references to Jimmy Saville being 'monstrous' and 'repulsive'. Oh what rot. Perhaps it is. Who knows? You can't deny that it's an interesting theory though.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 30, 2016 22:13:45 GMT
Who has an opinion on the additional faces seen in the mind battle between Morbius and the fourth Doctor? At the time it was felt that the extra faces were previous incarnations of the Doctor. Since, the Five Doctors and more recently Day of the Doctor, they can't be. I felt for a long time they are memories from the Doctor. Possibly family, friends and teachers at the academy. They cant be from Morbius as they dont go back to the Fourth Doctor. Thoughts?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 30, 2016 23:38:12 GMT
The Doctor was losing, then Morbius blew a fuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 6:10:45 GMT
Who has an opinion on the additional faces seen in the mind battle between Morbius and the fourth Doctor? At the time it was felt that the extra faces were previous incarnations of the Doctor. Since, the Five Doctors and more recently Day of the Doctor, they can't be. I felt for a long time they are memories from the Doctor. Possibly family, friends and teachers at the academy. They cant be from Morbius as they dont go back to the Fourth Doctor. Thoughts? I still have a view that they are previous incarnations of the Doctor. Morbius is clearly winning at the time. I like the fact this cannot be reconciled with anything said since about the number of lives the Doctor has had. The most likely explanation for me is they were from an entire previous cycle of regenerations which he keeps secret.
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Post by jasonward on May 1, 2016 6:46:41 GMT
Who has an opinion on the additional faces seen in the mind battle between Morbius and the fourth Doctor? At the time it was felt that the extra faces were previous incarnations of the Doctor. Since, the Five Doctors and more recently Day of the Doctor, they can't be. I felt for a long time they are memories from the Doctor. Possibly family, friends and teachers at the academy. They cant be from Morbius as they dont go back to the Fourth Doctor. Thoughts? I still have a view that they are previous incarnations of the Doctor. Morbius is clearly winning at the time. I like the fact this cannot be reconciled with anything said since about the number of lives the Doctor has had. The most likely explanation for me is they were from an entire previous cycle of regenerations which he keeps secret. This ^^ I think they are The Other.
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Post by bobod on May 1, 2016 7:32:31 GMT
Perhaps it is. Who knows? You can't deny that it's an interesting theory though. I can. Whole-heartedly. It's the only sensible reaction to it. There may have been errors made in dealing with Savile but no one, but no one, would think "lets get that actress with the journo husband in just in case Jim fiddles with the kids" was the way to proceed.
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Post by jasonward on May 1, 2016 7:45:23 GMT
Perhaps it is. Who knows? You can't deny that it's an interesting theory though. I can. Whole-heartedly. It's the only sensible reaction to it. There may have been errors made in dealing with Savile but no one, but no one, would think "lets get that actress with the journo husband in just in case Jim fiddles with the kids" was the way to proceed. Firstly no one actually said that was the thinking, but secondly, if you had a concern, but couldn't find any traction with those that can act for your concern, it is not at all difficult to think that you may address the concern by placing someone you trust into a position that could hopefully prevent things going bad.
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Post by bobod on May 2, 2016 11:51:00 GMT
I can. Whole-heartedly. It's the only sensible reaction to it. There may have been errors made in dealing with Savile but no one, but no one, would think "lets get that actress with the journo husband in just in case Jim fiddles with the kids" was the way to proceed. Firstly no one actually said that was the thinking, but secondly, if you had a concern, but couldn't find any traction with those that can act for your concern, it is not at all difficult to think that you may address the concern by placing someone you trust into a position that could hopefully prevent things going bad. Firstly, Secondly, about three years ago I reintroduced Gareth Jenkins to Janet Fielding, it was the first time they had met since 1985. I'm not going to repeat a private conversation here but it was abundantly clear that they both had had no idea at the time.
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Post by jasonward on May 2, 2016 13:21:19 GMT
Then you are aware of facts that many others are not. Without those facts, the theory fits the facts that are widely known. Any theory that fits all the known facts could be true, not necessarily true, but potentially so, it is only until now, with your previously undisclosed facts, that its shows to be untrue.
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Post by izp1 on May 2, 2016 13:40:29 GMT
Yep, that's certainly an odd, unpopular and controversial theory. Thankfully, it's also clearly ahistoric nonsense, because the assumptions behind it and what it would imply if it were true are pretty monstrous.
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