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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 27, 2016 9:51:06 GMT
A former Barcaldine barkeeper of my passing acquaintance for example. My nanny hasn't managed to shake it from her childhood days. Contrast that with the latest Thunderbirds Are Go episodes where the thick, affected Steve Irwin accent just grates against your eardrums. I don't know about that, he just sounded like Adam Hills to me it's only when he's talking "excitedly" that he got all Irwin-y, all those lovely cut glass RP accents plus an Aussie is always going to grate.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 29, 2016 9:03:39 GMT
I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 4, 2017 10:04:10 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 5, 2017 8:47:22 GMT
Hallelujah to that my friend, I can't wait to hear this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 11:47:40 GMT
I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey. I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 12:18:35 GMT
I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey. I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. I think there's wiggle room there, it all depends on how good their memories are. The Sixth Doctor notes more than once that there are parts of his first and second incarnation's lives which he just cannot recall anymore.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 5, 2017 13:47:34 GMT
Hallelujah to that my friend, I can't wait to hear this one. Just got my copy in the post
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Post by aztec on Jan 5, 2017 16:38:12 GMT
Hallelujah to that my friend, I can't wait to hear this one. Just got my copy in the post
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Mine arrived this afternoon, will probably start it tonight...I'm not actually that familiar with 5 or 7 and have only listened to Love and War out of the Virgin stories, but the premise and reputation of Cold Fusion was persuasive enough to take a gamble I always enjoy multi Doctor stories anyway.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 5, 2017 18:25:32 GMT
I enjoyed this one, having not read the book. Nice meaty roles for all of the companions and I enjoyed that it was a Fifth Doctor story that the Seventh Doctor essentially guest stars in. Patience is a great character that I'd like to hear more from. I'm also hoping this isn't the last we hear from Chris & Roz too. A trilogy with Patience and the Fifth Doctor and another with the Seventh Doctor, Chris & Roz would be welcome. I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey. I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. I thought that line was terribly clunky. I got the impression that Lance Parkin was attempting to try and resolve the fact the Seventh Doctor appears twice in that sequence on television. I interpreted it as he uses Adric's calculations later on in his incarnation to rectify a mistake he presumably made with them the first time around. I thought it was a fanjodrell reference of the worst kind. The sort where it sticks out like a sore thumb, is completely irrelevant and too exposition-y.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 5, 2017 18:40:40 GMT
I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey. I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. Well, I suppose I'll put my response in spoiler too (though I thought they were OK upon release in this thread) If 5 and 7 retained their memory of saving Gallifrey, every incarnation knew all along, starting the moment that 1 appears on screen joining the effort. That did seem to be the implication in Day: the general says something about the calculations taking centuries even if it were possible and one of them (10?) responds something like "oh, we've been working on it for a long time." It was the screwdriver trick to break the door apart, writ large. Perhaps this provides an alternate retroactive explantion of why 7 was so keen on cleaning up the Old Gods - so they wouldn't get dragged in or join on their own when the War actually went off (rather than simply worrying that 8 wouldn't be made of the necessary stuff to do it). Perhaps it's an alternate explanation for why 4 didn't wipe out the Daleks for all time when he had the chance. (So much for the "do I have the right?" speech). It also means that every incarnation was even more crafty than portrayed. Not sure I like it. But both the TV show and now this release seem to have gone there. It also contradicts 11's point that neither War nor 10 would remember the events of Day - so why would all the other docs (but then there's 11's earlier line "oh, this is where I come in")? Definitely don't like it.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 5, 2017 22:07:18 GMT
Link to a detailed synopsis of the book if anyone was confused by the audio (I personally think the audio was a touch more succinct) www.drwhoguide.com/who_ma29.htmRegards mark687
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 5, 2017 23:17:13 GMT
I got to the end and laughed out loud at {Spoiler} The seventh Doctor directly referenced "Day of the Doctor", saying that some of Adric's equations would come in handy when 13 Doctors got together to save Gallifrey. I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 6, 2017 13:22:49 GMT
I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together. Thats how i always saw it
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jan 6, 2017 14:02:45 GMT
I thought that line was terribly clunky. I got the impression that Lance Parkin was attempting to try and resolve the fact the Seventh Doctor appears twice in that sequence on television. I interpreted it as he uses Adric's calculations later on in his incarnation to rectify a mistake he presumably made with them the first time around. I thought it was a fanjodrell reference of the worst kind. The sort where it sticks out like a sore thumb, is completely irrelevant and too exposition-y. Honestly I hate more the unnecessary Torchwood reference and the fact that the Seventh Doctor know that a new Time War approaching, is pure fan service to please the fanboys and contradicted the Psi-Powers Cycle. Cold Fusion is a fanjodrell story (especially the book version) so that reference made me laugh and it is another typical Cartmel moment in the Seventh Doctor. The fact that the fifth Doctor says his voice sounds old is a subtle reference to Time Crash.
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jan 6, 2017 14:07:37 GMT
I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together. Thats how i always saw it It is like "The Eight Doctors" book, when two incarnations are reunited there is a moment when time stops, a time bubble surrounds them and memories are mixed and both share information. Although if the Doctors subconsciously remember the events of The Day of the Doctor as a dream, that might explain the fact that the first Doctor stole the Hand of Omega to defeat an enemy he does not know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:30:26 GMT
Well that's 3 hours I won't get back. Rubbish.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 6, 2017 16:04:20 GMT
Mine came today I'm looking forward to hearing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 16:26:18 GMT
I really struggled with that line. If 5 and 7 both know the TARDIS is running that calculation, does that mean War 10 and 11 have been rewritten so that they also know it. I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together. But it still doesn't make sense. By that logic, War should still have known how Day was going to end as soon as he met up with Ten and Eleven. To me there's only one real answer which is that the Doctor rewrote his own timeline and this story takes place in the rewritten version. I like this theory because it makes the RTD era angst about the end of the Time War still very real at the time it happened. I dislike this theory because now I need to know which version(s) of the Doctor's timeline everything happened in.
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jan 6, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together. But it still doesn't make sense. By that logic, War should still have known how Day was going to end as soon as he met up with Ten and Eleven. To me there's only one real answer which is that the Doctor rewrote his own timeline and this story takes place in the rewritten version. I like this theory because it makes the RTD era angst about the end of the Time War still very real at the time it happened. I dislike this theory because now I need to know which version(s) of the Doctor's timeline everything happened in. Maybe it was because the Day of The Doctor events were happening right now that it was hard to predict what was going to happen and the future seemed to be alterable until the Eleventh Doctor came up with his plan and it was there that the event was destined to end that way and the other Doctors could also see him with ease. Unlike The Big Bang, Last of the Time Lords and "Dalek" (Americans in 2012 ignorant of what a Dalek is despite the two previous invasions) I do not feel that anything has been rewritten in Day of the Doctor; We only saw the true end of the war. And it makes sense to me since timeline and universe during the RTD era did not seem so devastated or affected by the Time War compared to the post-The Ancestor Cell books of the Eighth Doctor and the angst about Rose was more dominant.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 6, 2017 20:13:53 GMT
I always assumed that they remembered only when together (ie crossover amnesia) but only as things happened for them (see Time Crash, and the factvthe seventh Doctor didn't remember fiver being there in Cold Fusion), so as it hadn't happened yet for War, 10 and 11 they didn't remember it. But as soon as they worked out their plans, they remembered getting together. Thats how i always saw it The problem remains that the idea presented in Day was that just as with the intended screwdriver trick (re: shivering the door apart), the calculations for how to save Gallifrey were started by 1. I just transcribed the relevant part, pausing to do it one line at a time so any mistakes would be irrelevantly minimal: 11: Hello, Hello. Gallifrey high command. This is the Doctor Speaking 10: Hello, also the Doctor, can you hear me? War: Also the Doctor. Standing ready. General: Dear God, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once. 10: General, we have a plan. 11: We should point out at this moment it's a fairly terrible plan. 10: And almost certainly won't work. 11: I was happy with fairly terrible. 10: Sorry. Just thinking out loud. 11: We're flying our three TARDISes into your lower atmosphere. 10: Positioned at equidistant intervals around the globe. "Equidistant" is so grown up. War: Just about ready to do it. General: Ready to do what? 11: We're going to freeze Gallifrey General: I'm sorry. What? 10: using our tardis's we're going to free Gallifrey in a single moment of time. War: You know, like with those stasis cubes? A single moment of time held in a parallel pocket universe. 11: Except we're going to do it to a whole planet. 10: And all the people on it. General: What? Even if that were possible, which it isn't. Why would you do such a thing. 11: Because the alternative is burning. 10: And I've seen that. 11 :And I never want to see it again. General: We'd be lost in another universe. Frozen in a single moment, we....we'd have nothing. 11: You would have hope. And right now that is exactly what you don't have. General: THat's delusional. The calculations alone would take hundreds of years 11: Oh, hundreds and hundreds. 10: But don't worry, I started a very long time ago.
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1. Calling to War Council of Gallifrey, this is The Doctor. <Others start showing up>
11: You might say, I've been doing this all my lives. General: <something> All twelve of them Person: No sir, all 13. Eyebrows: Grrrrrr! _______________________ That's not possible unless 1 started it and they all kept doing the calculations, regardless of how that contradicts oh, everything else the show has ever said about Doctor memories following a multi-doctor get together. Regardless of "possible", 11 straight-up says he'd been doing it "all my lives". He didn't even say "oh, used the Moment to plant the subroutine in the TARDIS just after I stole the thing" or some such. So, basically, after the events of Day rewrote the Doctor's timeline, it established a new timeline that he'd known all along that he would be joining the others to save Gallifrey at points throughout his life, but had to act as if he did not have that knowledge. That, or it's just another instance of the TV show ignoring its own continuity in order to make a splash in a particular episode - "just accept it" type stuff.
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