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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 12, 2016 10:50:44 GMT
Obviously BF is doing its own thing with Jago and Litefoot, but there's an interesting few things in the prelude chapter of Shadow that hints as to Jago's possible fate.
its set in the basement of an old derelict theatre (which we know is to be the fate of the Palace Theatre, as its renovated in the 60s), where the former emprissario stored theatrical props etc, including Mister Sin.
thats all well and good, but then we discover that the theatre is derelict because it was burnt down in an insurance fraud by said emprisario. Ohh dear. Would Henry burn his theatre? maybe. but the fire killed four people and the owner of the theatre did nothing for them, and that is categorically not Jago, he'd have bankrupted himself out on conscience not swanned off to warmer climbs.
Could Jago eventually go down that path? the eighth Doctor in "Bodysnstchers"hints that Jago outlives Litefoot, could he without the implacable force of George's conscience take a turn for the mercenary?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 12, 2016 10:57:35 GMT
Addended to that, the Doctor describes L'Hesen Chang as a fundamentally good man in Shadow. Is that true though?
I think yes. He's working for his God. His problem is God is insane. So what do you do! You can't disobey God, especially one with dragons with deadly laser eyes, giant rats and Mister Sin at his command. So instead, you do everything you can to get caught. He happily introduces himself to the police in connection to Tong murders. He could have taken anyone off the streets of London that wouldn't be missed, homeless, children ... anyone. Instead he takes young women and evokes the memory "Jolly Jack". He even takes women who have gotten jnovolced in his stage act, which leads her husband to his door. and then sets Sin upon her husband. He hypnotises Jago to protect him, look at how Greel dealt with Casey, if Greel knew Jago was onto him, Jago would be dead too. He lets the Doctor follow him back to the Palace. He even goes so far as to try and talk Greel out of a direct attack on Litefoot's house.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 11:38:23 GMT
I think it's possible that it may have been a last, thoroughly desperate resort for one of their capers. The four people killed could easily have been possessed and the insurance money just an unhappy side effect worth collecting all the same.
It's been ages since I read The Shadow of Weng-Chiang, but I can definitely see that interpretation of Chang watching Talons. He's not the one who tortures Jago to get to Litefoot, cackles sadistically as one of the Tong dies slowly from scorpion venom and relishes the opportunity to skin Leela alive. However, I also think that Li H'sen was a man deeply conflicted by the will of his god. A man who performed the horrific acts of a deity who enabled his rise to greatness from the life of an ordinary Chinese peasant. I think he was sincere when he offered the Doctor's life in exchange for redemption from Greel, but hesitated repeatedly during the magic acts on stage. That bullet would have been an ideal method of dispatch, yet his victim was still very much alive by the time poor Casey was murdered.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 12, 2016 17:36:06 GMT
So I am guessing this is a book? Virgin Missing Adventures range?
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Post by omega on Dec 12, 2016 19:35:06 GMT
So I am guessing this is a book? Virgin Missing Adventures range? That's right, written by David A McIntee
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 12, 2016 22:50:54 GMT
I think it's possible that it may have been a last, thoroughly desperate resort for one of their capers. The four people killed could easily have been possessed and the insurance money just an unhappy side effect worth collecting all the same. It's been ages since I read The Shadow of Weng-Chiang, but I can definitely see that interpretation of Chang watching Talons. He's not the one who tortures Jago to get to Litefoot, cackles sadistically as one of the Tong dies slowly from scorpion venom and relishes the opportunity to skin Leela alive. However, I also think that Li H'sen was a man deeply conflicted by the will of his god. A man who performed the horrific acts of a deity who enabled his rise to greatness from the life of an ordinary Chinese peasant. I think he was sincere when he offered the Doctor's life in exchange for redemption from Greel, but hesitated repeatedly during the magic acts on stage. That bullet would have been an ideal method of dispatch, yet his victim was still very much alive by the time poor Casey was murdered. Greel was stalking around the basement for the cabinet trick, so it's possible the plan was for Greel to kill the Doctor quietly and off stage.
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Post by constonks on Dec 13, 2016 3:01:32 GMT
Jago doesn't own the Palace Theatre in Jago and Litefoot. He owns the New Regency. So whoever bought the Palace from Jago is the scurrilous scoundrel who schemed and scarpered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 5:22:55 GMT
I think it's possible that it may have been a last, thoroughly desperate resort for one of their capers. The four people killed could easily have been possessed and the insurance money just an unhappy side effect worth collecting all the same. It's been ages since I read The Shadow of Weng-Chiang, but I can definitely see that interpretation of Chang watching Talons. He's not the one who tortures Jago to get to Litefoot, cackles sadistically as one of the Tong dies slowly from scorpion venom and relishes the opportunity to skin Leela alive. However, I also think that Li H'sen was a man deeply conflicted by the will of his god. A man who performed the horrific acts of a deity who enabled his rise to greatness from the life of an ordinary Chinese peasant. I think he was sincere when he offered the Doctor's life in exchange for redemption from Greel, but hesitated repeatedly during the magic acts on stage. That bullet would have been an ideal method of dispatch, yet his victim was still very much alive by the time poor Casey was murdered. Greel was stalking around the basement for the cabinet trick, so it's possible the plan was for Greel to kill the Doctor quietly and off stage. Definitely a possibility, but given Greel's disgust at Chang's parlour tricks, I suspect he was there just for the purposes of shaming him. A proper sadist, I think.
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