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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 10, 2017 17:35:35 GMT
From the newest PPP poll We have never seen anything like this. -Voters are increasingly taking the media's side in his fights with them. The New York Times has repeatedly been a target of Trump's attacks, but voters say they think the Times had more credibility than them 52/37. Trump seems to be losing ground in that conflict- he was only down 51/42 a week ago. The Presidency has been so diminished over the last 3 weeks that voters even say Saturday Night Live has more credibility than Trump, 48/43.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 10, 2017 18:10:55 GMT
From the newest PPP poll We have never seen anything like this. -Voters are increasingly taking the media's side in his fights with them. The New York Times has repeatedly been a target of Trump's attacks, but voters say they think the Times had more credibility than them 52/37. Trump seems to be losing ground in that conflict- he was only down 51/42 a week ago. The Presidency has been so diminished over the last 3 weeks that voters even say Saturday Night Live has more credibility than Trump, 48/43.Yes, but in alternative facts, it's all lies made up by the opposition media, all the people love the Trump and it's only the failing lying press that don't know that.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 10, 2017 19:15:47 GMT
From the newest PPP poll We have never seen anything like this. -Voters are increasingly taking the media's side in his fights with them. The New York Times has repeatedly been a target of Trump's attacks, but voters say they think the Times had more credibility than them 52/37. Trump seems to be losing ground in that conflict- he was only down 51/42 a week ago. The Presidency has been so diminished over the last 3 weeks that voters even say Saturday Night Live has more credibility than Trump, 48/43.Yes, but in alternative facts, it's all lies made up by the opposition media, all the people love the Trump and it's only the failing lying press that don't know that. Well, obviously. How else do you explain the tremendous crowds at the innaguration?
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Post by Ela on Feb 10, 2017 21:57:05 GMT
From the newest PPP poll We have never seen anything like this. -Voters are increasingly taking the media's side in his fights with them. The New York Times has repeatedly been a target of Trump's attacks, but voters say they think the Times had more credibility than them 52/37. Trump seems to be losing ground in that conflict- he was only down 51/42 a week ago. The Presidency has been so diminished over the last 3 weeks that voters even say Saturday Night Live has more credibility than Trump, 48/43.I'm heartened that people are taking the media's side. Not everyone believing fake news and/or Trump's bluster is a positive thing. Though jasonward's and icecreamdf's points are well-taken.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 10, 2017 22:26:22 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Feb 10, 2017 22:49:00 GMT
What is the point of that executive order? Sure take aim at organised crime, your not going to see me criticise that, but his executive order is specious, it's just direction to subordinate, he could have sent a memo. The executive order was just to dress up Trumps desires and instructions to subordinates as real action. But real action takes some time, especially when it comes to infiltrating organised crime and organising intelligence sharing. Although intelegence sharing is becoming something of the past for the US, with the likes of Israel and the UK saying they will limit or stop sharing information with the Trump US, and you got to wonder how much co-operation your going to get from Mexican law enforcement and intelligence services whilst threatening invasion. Trump clearly fails to understand that there are consequences to his lies, ties to Russia, threats, bigotry, racism etc and that issuing executive orders that direct greater international co-operation is nothing but a pipe dream if other executive orders threaten, belittle and revolt the very people you seek to co-operate with.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 10, 2017 23:28:56 GMT
What is the point of that executive order? Sure take aim at organised crime, your not going to see me criticise that, but his executive order is specious, it's just direction to subordinate, he could have sent a memo. The executive order was just to dress up Trumps desires and instructions to subordinates as real action. But real action takes some time, especially when it comes to infiltrating organised crime and organising intelligence sharing. Although intelegence sharing is becoming something of the past for the US, with the likes of Israel and the UK saying they will limit or stop sharing information with the Trump US, and you got to wonder how much co-operation your going to get from Mexican law enforcement and intelligence services whilst threatening invasion. Trump clearly fails to understand that there are consequences to his lies, ties to Russia, threats, bigotry, racism etc and that issuing executive orders that direct greater international co-operation is nothing but a pipe dream if other executive orders threaten, belittle and revolt the very people you seek to co-operate with. According to a former local sheriff, it means more money, money for overtime, money for a few more police officers, money to combat meth in this area. That is a huge problem in my area, much more than cocaine or prescription drugs. Does organized crime have any influence in my area? I don't think so, the folks makin meth are makin it in their own homes. As far as intelligence sharing goes, it's a two way street. There are probably more American drug dealers headin to Israel and the UK to do business than those coming here. So the leaders of those countries can say what they like, just like Trump does, but what they do, is always a different story. And in his 3rd executive order in the above link, proposing more severe penalties, for violence against law enforcement officers, is no where near enough, IMO.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 10, 2017 23:37:29 GMT
What is the point of that executive order? Sure take aim at organised crime, your not going to see me criticise that, but his executive order is specious, it's just direction to subordinate, he could have sent a memo. The executive order was just to dress up Trumps desires and instructions to subordinates as real action. But real action takes some time, especially when it comes to infiltrating organised crime and organising intelligence sharing. Although intelegence sharing is becoming something of the past for the US, with the likes of Israel and the UK saying they will limit or stop sharing information with the Trump US, and you got to wonder how much co-operation your going to get from Mexican law enforcement and intelligence services whilst threatening invasion. Trump clearly fails to understand that there are consequences to his lies, ties to Russia, threats, bigotry, racism etc and that issuing executive orders that direct greater international co-operation is nothing but a pipe dream if other executive orders threaten, belittle and revolt the very people you seek to co-operate with. According to a former local sheriff, it means more money, money for overtime, money for a few more police officers, money to combat meth in this area. That is a huge problem in my area, much more than cocaine or prescription drugs. Does organized crime have any influence in my area? I don't think so, the folks makin meth are makin it in their own homes. As far as intelligence sharing goes, it's a two way street. There are probably more American drug dealers headin to Israel and the UK to do business than those coming here. So the leaders of those countries can say what they like, just like Trump does, but what they do, is always a different story. And in his 3rd executive order in the above link, proposing more severe penalties, for violence against law enforcement officers, is no where near enough, IMO. Sure, yes all that (well excepting you unfounded views about the travel plans of drug dealers). Why did any of that need an executive order? All that is, is about changing priorities, moving resources away from something they are currently focused on, and re-directing them at organised crime, I'm not saying that's a bad thing to do, I guess it depends on what looses out, but why do you need an executive order to do that? All most of Trumps executive orders have been to provide the illusion of action, the reality is nothing has changed that couldn't and wouldn't have changed had Trump sent an email to the correct person.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 10, 2017 23:45:31 GMT
Because Jason the executive orders help build a narrative and sell an image.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 10, 2017 23:51:16 GMT
According to a former local sheriff, it means more money, money for overtime, money for a few more police officers, money to combat meth in this area. That is a huge problem in my area, much more than cocaine or prescription drugs. Does organized crime have any influence in my area? I don't think so, the folks makin meth are makin it in their own homes. As far as intelligence sharing goes, it's a two way street. There are probably more American drug dealers headin to Israel and the UK to do business than those coming here. So the leaders of those countries can say what they like, just like Trump does, but what they do, is always a different story. And in his 3rd executive order in the above link, proposing more severe penalties, for violence against law enforcement officers, is no where near enough, IMO. Sure, yes all that (well excepting you unfounded views about the travel plans of drug dealers). Why did any of that need an executive order? All that is, is about changing priorities, moving resources away from something they are currently focused on, and re-directing them at organised crime, I'm not saying that's a bad thing to do, I guess it depends on what looses out, but why do you need an executive order to do that? All most of Trumps executive orders have been to provide the illusion of action, the reality is nothing has changed that couldn't and wouldn't have changed had Trump sent an email to the correct person. When folks I know on a personal and local level, who know far more than I do about fighting crime, tells me it will help them out. I believe them. Did he need an executive order? I don't know. Is it going to help out in my county? The folks running this county tell me it is.(I honestly don't care if it help out in California or New York or Florida, i'll worry bout them after getting things right around here. As ive said before, I'm a lot more locally minded, than I am world minded.) I'm not worried bout a drug cartel breakin into my house at night, I'm worried bout a meth-head breakin into my house at night. That doesn't mean I'm not worried about your house, cause I don't anyone to be hurt by crime, but I have plenty enough to do to take care of mine. If you say he could have done all that with an email, I have no reason to disbelieve you, I have no doubt that much of what is and has been done in Washington since the 70's was done for a photo opp. just to get good press and I know Trump is not the first president to do things like that. It's part of the game in Washington, and not a part I like.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 11, 2017 0:09:58 GMT
According to a former local sheriff, it means more money, money for overtime, money for a few more police officers, money to combat meth in this area. That is a huge problem in my area, much more than cocaine or prescription drugs. Does organized crime have any influence in my area? I don't think so, the folks makin meth are makin it in their own homes. As far as intelligence sharing goes, it's a two way street. There are probably more American drug dealers headin to Israel and the UK to do business than those coming here. So the leaders of those countries can say what they like, just like Trump does, but what they do, is always a different story. And in his 3rd executive order in the above link, proposing more severe penalties, for violence against law enforcement officers, is no where near enough, IMO. (well excepting you unfounded views about the travel plans of drug dealers). This may require a different thread, I don't know. I have many unfounded views, views I base on common sense. I assume there are drug dealers coming out of America and selling overseas, why? Because it would be profitable to them...I know the big drugs are smuggled in from certain other countries, I also believe Americans have a bigger reach worldwide, than folks from them countries, and planes coming from America are under a lot less scrutiny than planes coming from those other countries. Anyway, I'm really good at foreseeing the consequences of doing something, of thinking thru the myriad of possibilities, and I'm sure if I thought of it, criminals have thought of it too, cause I'm no criminal mastermind, I'm just a truck driver. But, if you, or anyone else, thinks that Americans are not actively smuggling things like drugs into foreign countries, then I have to ask, why would you think that? If there is one thing that Americans have led the world in, it's how to make money illegally. Not a great stat, and not one I like bragging about. Sorry for the off topic post. And Jason, I do enjoy getting your insight on things, and appreciate you talkin to me, instead of down to me.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 11, 2017 0:15:15 GMT
Because Jason the executive orders help build a narrative and sell an image. I agree with this, whole heartedly. I have some thoughts that the "Bowling Green massacre" was not as much of an accident as what it appeared to be(it did get attention to something that didn't happen, but could have.)...But, ive always had conspiracy theory thoughts. Trump studied under McMahon, and what does McMahon do, he builds a narrative and tells stories...
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Post by jasonward on Feb 11, 2017 12:20:16 GMT
When folks I know on a personal and local level, who know far more than I do about fighting crime, tells me it will help them out. I believe them. So what? Did anyone question or doubt that? Did he need an executive order? I don't know. OK. Is it going to help out in my county? The folks running this county tell me it is.(I honestly don't care if it help out in California or New York or Florida, i'll worry bout them after getting things right around here. As ive said before, I'm a lot more locally minded, than I am world minded.) I'm not worried bout a drug cartel breakin into my house at night, I'm worried bout a meth-head breakin into my house at night. That doesn't mean I'm not worried about your house, cause I don't anyone to be hurt by crime, but I have plenty enough to do to take care of mine. Ah, again so what? Although your ethics... but hey, I'm alright jack. If you say he could have done all that with an email, I have no reason to disbelieve you, I have no doubt that much of what is and has been done in Washington since the 70's was done for a photo opp. just to get good press and I know Trump is not the first president to do things like that. It's part of the game in Washington, and not a part I like. OK, so you recognise that much of what Trump is doing at the moment is window dressing, and indeed politicians have long been masters of that game, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be called on it.
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