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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 29, 2017 7:24:29 GMT
Just out of curiosity, do you actually know all of these people, or do you just know of them? Either way, its very impressive. I know and knew them. Some I'm still in contact with, some not. I tend to be the person who strangers start up conversations with and I know people who have led very interesting lives. A lot of them are very brave for what they do, even though they don't recognise it. In my experience, age has nothing to do with how hard you're trying. I have grandparents on both my mother's and father's side. Now, my paternal side sit in their house and do nothing all day, every day. On my maternal side, my grandmother is still ballroom dancing and playing football in the garden at eighty. Ain't got nothing to do with how long you've been on this planet. Wow! I don't think I even know that many people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 7:25:30 GMT
I never said they were worse than the previous generation. No generation ahead of mine, that I have ever heard about, wished for the following generations to fail, but like mine, they worried about the change that they could see happening in the next generation.
My dad can grow anything from a cucumber to grapes, and has a huge garden every year, and makes the best apple butter known to man, and a lot of it I didn't take a great interest in until I got older. Now I cant learn what he knows near fast enough, and my son has started to show interest in it, cause he likes to eat too. My dad also loves westerns, old spaghetti westerns, and I cant stand most of em, but if you go in his house, it's westerns until 7, then wheel of fortune, jeopardy, then back to westerns. That's something I just probably wont pick up on.
Yeah. Yeah, I can understand that. The important thing to remember there of course is that as the elder generation, you are the ones who teach them what they know. Teach them the value of being kind, compassionate and understanding and the rest will follow. Ooh, I've got a good solution for that, my father and I are the same. See if you can track down Yojimbo or Seven Samurai on DVD, the films on which the Spaghetti Westerns were based. I never enjoyed the Westerns, but the old Japanese films by Akira Kurosawa were a riot. The Hidden Fortress is good too if you want to see where Star Wars originally sprang from. I know and knew them. Some I'm still in contact with, some not. I tend to be the person who strangers start up conversations with and I know people who have led very interesting lives. A lot of them are very brave for what they do, even though they don't recognise it. In my experience, age has nothing to do with how hard you're trying. I have grandparents on both my mother's and father's side. Now, my paternal side sit in their house and do nothing all day, every day. On my maternal side, my grandmother is still ballroom dancing and playing football in the garden at eighty. Ain't got nothing to do with how long you've been on this planet. Wow! I don't think I even know that many people. I'm not really someone who you could say has a stable group of close friends who I spend a lot of time with, I tend to move around a lot from group-to-group. It works really well for me, I get to learn a great deal and university helped a lot in that regard with how the classes are structured.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 29, 2017 7:27:49 GMT
As far as changing a tire goes, I might be able to help. 2 things I got all my kids for Christmas a few years back, a hydraulic jack and a 4 way lug wrench, just ask the salesman if you need standard or metric. First check the spare tire, (seriously, that is the first step, I learned this too by trial and error, ive taken off the tire and then found my spare was flat,) get the spare tire out of the trunk or wherever it is and set it aside. Loosen the lug nuts enough to break the seal on them before jacking the vehicle up, and with a 4 way, you can stand on it to loosen them, then find a solid spot on the underside of the vehicle, jack it up just far enough to take the tire off, remove the lug nuts, set them aside, and remove the tire, if its a full size spare you will have to jack up the vehicle just a bit more, if its a cheapo changeo little spare, then you probably wont, just stick it on and tighten up the lug nuts, again standing on the 4 way to make sure its tight. then drop the jack, clean up the mess, I'm usually done in under 10 minutes, but, ive had lots and lots and lots of practice, cause ive owned lots of bad tires. I think my dad knew all the steps (sometimes I think he knows everything), but we had some difficulty putting the theory into practice.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 29, 2017 7:30:17 GMT
I never said they were worse than the previous generation. No generation ahead of mine, that I have ever heard about, wished for the following generations to fail, but like mine, they worried about the change that they could see happening in the next generation.
I don't think anyone wants the following generation to fail. I think people often don't have faith in the next generation. Their lack of faith always turns out to be unfounded though.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 29, 2017 7:40:53 GMT
As far as changing a tire goes, I might be able to help. 2 things I got all my kids for Christmas a few years back, a hydraulic jack and a 4 way lug wrench, just ask the salesman if you need standard or metric. First check the spare tire, (seriously, that is the first step, I learned this too by trial and error, ive taken off the tire and then found my spare was flat,) get the spare tire out of the trunk or wherever it is and set it aside. Loosen the lug nuts enough to break the seal on them before jacking the vehicle up, and with a 4 way, you can stand on it to loosen them, then find a solid spot on the underside of the vehicle, jack it up just far enough to take the tire off, remove the lug nuts, set them aside, and remove the tire, if its a full size spare you will have to jack up the vehicle just a bit more, if its a cheapo changeo little spare, then you probably wont, just stick it on and tighten up the lug nuts, again standing on the 4 way to make sure its tight. then drop the jack, clean up the mess, I'm usually done in under 10 minutes, but, ive had lots and lots and lots of practice, cause ive owned lots of bad tires. I think my dad knew all the steps (sometimes I think he knows everything), but we had some difficulty putting the theory into practice. I had my 20 year old youngest daughter change her tire last month, I was there telling her what to do, and she was just a cussin and fussin, askin why cant you just do it, and I was cussin and fussin back at her, sayin cause I aint getting up at 7 am on a Tuesday morning cause you are 10 minutes from home with a flat tire you don't know how to change, my wife was just sittin there sippin wine and laughing at both of us. Took her an hour to change the thing, but now she knows. Most folks know this, but always plan for the worst, then you can hope for the best.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 21, 2017 9:34:55 GMT
I never said they were worse than the previous generation. No generation ahead of mine, that I have ever heard about, wished for the following generations to fail, but like mine, they worried about the change that they could see happening in the next generation.
I don't think anyone wants the following generation to fail. I think people often don't have faith in the next generation. Their lack of faith always turns out to be unfounded though. Indeed so.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 21, 2017 17:50:04 GMT
One of the enduring complaints concerning parenting and education for the last, give or take, 20 years has been the idea of 'everyone's a winner'/'everyone's special'/'sticker just for participating'/'trophies for any place'. Some feel, and I'd be remiss if I didn't say I didn't see this, that this does not properly prepare kids and leaves them with fragile self esteem and worth if they never face their limits and mistakes. As always, sound off on where you stand. Especially wondering from the parents among our members. I mocked it even as a kid. It's ridiculous. Kids are not that stupid. They know that their participation medal is meaningless.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 21, 2017 18:04:35 GMT
In answer to the initial question, I feel like participation should be acknowledged but competition is competition and their are winners and losers. I do agree that the younger the field the less the competition aspect of it should be stressed. As for generational bias, screw that noise. I am sick of older people whining about younger people. The younger generation has it just as hard as previous generations, just in different ways. In the end, it is less about who had it harder or better and more about how can we help each other so we all have an easier time of it.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 21, 2017 23:58:43 GMT
It's for younger ones who don't yet understand is what I feel, after that then phase it out. What decent parent wants to tell their small child that they weren't whatever when they're asked "Where's my medal?". I wouldn't. But when they understand the nature of competition then they'll get it. How you teach them to react to it is the big thing though. So you're not the next Usain Bolt? You might just be the next JK Rowling, so don't be a Munchausen Parent.
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Post by elkawho on Apr 22, 2017 19:30:53 GMT
As to participation medals, I think they should be phased out by the age of 7, but I know that they aren't. I do think they make it harder for kids to learn how to fail and bounce back from it. Here's a story; my younger son was on a t-ball team when he was 6. He enjoyed it but didn't love it. That was the spring that his father and I split. Things got rough, both with me trying to handle everything that was being thrown at me and with his reaction to our break-up. He just didn't want to go to t-ball anymore, which was fine with me. When the season was over, the coach came by to give my son his participation trophy. I wouldn't let him have it because he didn't even participate in the whole season. I know why the coach was doing it, but it just didn't seem right to me. For whatever the reason, he should not have gotten a trophy for something that he didn't do.
On the other topic, I've known how to change a tire and check my oil level since I moved away from home when I was 17. I never wanted to be the girl who couldn't take care of herself. Once I was on the side of the road when it was snowing changing my tire without anyone stopping to help for almost an hour. By the time someone stopped, I was over half of the way done. I did appreciate it, though. Now I have emergency services to call, so I don't worry about it any more. But I do know how to do it, and I plan on teaching my boys.
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Post by number13 on Apr 22, 2017 21:00:11 GMT
I doubt it matters much either way. My school gave (effectively) prizes for trying back in the 1970s, so it's not new. The fact that we no longer live like the Tribe of Gum implies strongly that each generation does ultimately know what they are doing, learns from previous generations and makes progress, however surprising that is to the previous generation. Go back far enough and there were presumably blue-green algae telling their offspring that they were getting too green for their own good and puffing all that extra oxygen into the air was the road to ruin. As for changing tyres, the thought had never crossed my mind until I hit the combination of A) an important work appointment and B) a large nail. I read the steps in the car handbook, followed them and changed the tyre, thus learning from the transmitted collective knowledge of humanity to make progress.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 23, 2017 1:33:19 GMT
Not all of us carry handbooks in the car, if we have a car, especially if it's second hand.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 7, 2017 18:46:07 GMT
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