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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 16, 2017 19:29:20 GMT
safety. First and foremost. To protect my family in dire times. It takes our police force about 15 minutes to get here on a 911 call, I do hunt from time to time. Deer and rabbits mostly. We do have bear's in this area as well, and have seen some killed for attacking livestock. And we have turkey shoots at the vfw. Statistically, you're much more likely to cause harm to your family by accident with that gun than you are to protect them. Statistics don't matter when you just feel the truth in your gut.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 16, 2017 19:31:10 GMT
safety. First and foremost. To protect my family in dire times. It takes our police force about 15 minutes to get here on a 911 call, I do hunt from time to time. Deer and rabbits mostly. We do have bear's in this area as well, and have seen some killed for attacking livestock. And we have turkey shoots at the vfw. Statistically, you're much more likely to cause harm to your family by accident with that gun than you are to protect them. Just because you don't know how to handle and secure a gun, doesn't mean I don't know how to handle and secure a gun. Now, as for the fiction that Trump wants to bang his daughter, I heard a lot of judges want to bang their daughters and sons as well, shall we continue? Or do you want to drop that fiction? That disgusting fiction, at least I think its disgusting, the left thinks its funny, like I said, no morals.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 16, 2017 19:36:40 GMT
Statistically, you're much more likely to cause harm to your family by accident with that gun than you are to protect them. Statistics don't matter when you just feel the truth in your gut. There you go, spreading fake news again, heres the facts. www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2] * Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3] * As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4] * Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5] * Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7] * Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials." That's just part of what it says. But please, keep spreading your fake news.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 16, 2017 19:39:33 GMT
The propaganda from the pro-gun web site amuses me. Thanks I really needed that today.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 16, 2017 19:45:31 GMT
Statistically, you're much more likely to cause harm to your family by accident with that gun than you are to protect them. Just because you don't know how to handle and secure a gun, doesn't mean I don't know how to handle and secure a gun. Now, as for the fiction that Trump wants to bang his daughter, I heard a lot of judges want to bang their daughters and sons as well, shall we continue? Or do you want to drop that fiction? That disgusting fiction, at least I think its disgusting, the left thinks its funny, like I said, no morals. I'll post some statistics that are a bit more impartial later. I spent all last night doing research though, and I'm not in the mood to do more right now. Trump is the one who said it. Trevor didn't even have to make anything up. They have literally showed clips of him saying that he would have sex with Ivanka if she wasn't his daughter, or on him hoping that (infant) Tiffany would have breasts as big as her mother's.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 16, 2017 20:03:34 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Feb 16, 2017 20:12:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 20:36:27 GMT
You were right! I checked it out, I had never watched that left leaning show for a reason, just goes to show, most left wing comedy has no morals at all. Like I said, that's disgusting. How is Trevor being disgusting? Trump's the one who wants to bang his own daughter. I was going to do a Woody Allen type of joke, but think I'll leave this subject alone! Carry on... The media is dishonest. #FakeNews Blah blah blah...
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Post by jasonward on Feb 16, 2017 20:54:50 GMT
For a long time, the running joke on The Daily Show (a popular US comedy news show) was "Trump wants to have sex with his daughter", but hey check out yourself, see what you think. Personally... yeah, if I had teenage daughter I wouldn't be letting him get anywhere near her. You were right! I checked it out, I had never watched that left leaning show for a reason, just goes to show, most left wing comedy has no morals at all. Like I said, that's disgusting. Your more disgusted at a show that uses that as a joke than you are at Donald Trump for saying that what he and his daughter share is "sex" and that he would "date" her "if she wasn't my daughter"? A joke about that is more disgusting than the thing itself?
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Post by sherlock on Feb 16, 2017 22:11:02 GMT
British person here who is genuinely curious-not looking to start anything. Why do you feel the need to own a gun? Genuine question. safety. First and foremost. To protect my family in dire times. It takes our police force about 15 minutes to get here on a 911 call, I do hunt from time to time. Deer and rabbits mostly. We do have bear's in this area as well, and have seen some killed for attacking livestock. And we have turkey shoots at the vfw. So why do military-grade weapons need to be on sale if all people use them for is self-defence and occasional hunting?
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 16, 2017 23:04:05 GMT
I clicked through because I was curious about the footnotes. Almost every single one of them references Gary Kleck, either his 1991 book or his 1995 essay. Even if we proceed from the unlikely arguendo assumption that the figures were 100% correct at the time of their publication, they're now a quarter century out of date and hardly relevant to the conversation we're having in 2017.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 16, 2017 23:14:30 GMT
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 16, 2017 23:35:17 GMT
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 17, 2017 0:20:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 1:15:03 GMT
You were right! I checked it out, I had never watched that left leaning show for a reason, just goes to show, most left wing comedy has no morals at all. Like I said, that's disgusting. Your more disgusted at a show that uses that as a joke than you are at Donald Trump for saying that what he and his daughter share is "sex" and that he would "date" her "if she wasn't my daughter"? A joke about that is more disgusting than the thing itself? Come now, as proven by his "grab a woman by the *****" comments, it's only locker-room banter when Trump says these kind of things about sexual assault or incest. When lefties pick up on it...they're the real sickos. #UlyssesLogic
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 17, 2017 2:08:40 GMT
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 17, 2017 3:10:43 GMT
I thought that things were as insane as they were going to get when Trump came down the escalator and called Mexicans rapists. I just don't know how far things are going to go at this point.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Feb 17, 2017 6:57:36 GMT
One thing I love about Americans is that they think they have a right and left party's. ..
They have a right and a very right.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 7:04:28 GMT
safety. First and foremost. To protect my family in dire times. It takes our police force about 15 minutes to get here on a 911 call, I do hunt from time to time. Deer and rabbits mostly. We do have bear's in this area as well, and have seen some killed for attacking livestock. And we have turkey shoots at the vfw. So why do military-grade weapons need to be on sale if all people use them for is self-defence and occasional hunting? If they would go on sale I would buy one. But I aint spendin that much money on a gun, not while I got BF cd's to buy. Ive asked the same question, I am a card carryin member of the NRA. As it was explained to me, was basically, there are those who like to shoot those guns, some of those are used in high dollar competitions(with high dollar prizes), and just because some people can. Just because I don't have one for self-defence doesn't mean other folks might not have one. But turning a semi automatic into a functioning automatic is fairly easy. I don't own an automatic, doesn't mean I don't want one.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 7:20:47 GMT
I clicked through because I was curious about the footnotes. Almost every single one of them references Gary Kleck, either his 1991 book or his 1995 essay. Even if we proceed from the unlikely arguendo assumption that the figures were 100% correct at the time of their publication, they're now a quarter century out of date and hardly relevant to the conversation we're having in 2017. You'll love this one this one then, it deals directly with the UK, and other nations. I love the part where it says a group of doctors in the UK call for a ban of long pointed kitchen knifes... no steak for you... americangunfacts.com/You realize traffic kills more people than guns. www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/guns-traffic-deaths-rates/1784595/Guns save lives, it's just a fact. www.wnd.com/2005/09/32103/Other than suicide's I don't know anyone personally who has been killed by a projectile fired from a gun. But I know at least 1 person who is alive because her father had his gun.
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