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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 9:03:22 GMT
I've got torchwood to listen to first
But my opinion will be here asap.
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Post by mark687 on May 4, 2017 9:57:57 GMT
Come on Indimacuser LOL.
Regards
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Post by kimalysong on May 4, 2017 12:14:19 GMT
Well I hope to get to it soon but I have to finish the Omega Factor first.
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Post by Whovitt on May 4, 2017 13:13:32 GMT
Well, I've just listened to The Bleeding Heart, and I have to say I quite enjoyed it I liked the format. I'm more of an audio-drama man than an audio-book, but I think this is a good mix between the two. Nick manages an effective Eccleston impression, and he and Claire Wyatt manage to make this feel almost full-cast with the added narration essentially making it like The Early Adventures. The story was also quite good, and a bit emotional towards the end (though don't expect an Absent Friends level of emotion); it was both fun and engaging - a great opener to the set. I felt it had echoes of Rose in that it was introducing the character again, but in a new and different way. For those who are interested, this is set before Rose, enabling it to include a nice little bit of continuity involving the War Doctor's sonic screwdriver... From just this first story alone, I think this set was worth the purchase. I listen to a story a day, so I'll report back over the next few days as I work my way through the set
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Post by kurumais on May 4, 2017 16:14:33 GMT
wow the 2 i pre ordered for may the shape of things to come and the 9th doctor came out bang bang right out.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 16:24:33 GMT
Well, I've just listened to The Bleeding Heart, and I have to say I quite enjoyed it I liked the format. I'm more of an audio-drama man than an audio-book, but I think this is a good mix between the two. Nick manages an effective Eccleston impression, and he and Claire Wyatt manage to make this feel almost full-cast with the added narration essentially making it like The Early Adventures. The story was also quite good, and a bit emotional towards the end (though don't expect an Absent Friends level of emotion); it was both fun and engaging - a great opener to the set. I felt it had echoes of Rose in that it was introducing the character again, but in a new and different way. For those who are interested, this is set before Rose, enabling it to include a nice little bit of continuity involving the War Doctor's sonic screwdriver... From just this first story alone, I think this set was worth the purchase. I listen to a story a day, so I'll report back over the next few days as I work my way through the set Really helpful thanks. I bank boxsets against future sales to try and bring orders over £50. With series 10 sales every weekend there's a good chance I'll be tempted to buy this soon so I'll be interested in hearing what you think of tue next episodes.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 4, 2017 16:56:23 GMT
I listened to The Bleeding Heart and like Whovitt , I’m going to take them one day at a time. I liked that they used the format to their advantage, but Big Finish has always been very good about that. A character describes looking into the Doctor’s eyes and thinking that it was like looking at the universe and every point in history happening at the same time. That’s a passage I quite enjoyed and it wouldn’t have been possible in regular audio play without some really awkward contortions. Some of the specific language employed reminded of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Neither good nor bad; just one of those things. I thought the characterization of the Ninth Doctor was a bit broad in the beginning, but it settled down nicely in short order. In particular, I enjoyed his pep talk to Adriana, because it cuts to the core of what I like so much about him. He’s poisoned by his doubt and his guilt and his pain, but it is through these traits that he connects with other people. I’m not sure if I’m injecting too much of myself into my interpretation of the story, but what I took away was that we can’t hide from our pain forever. It reminds me of some of my favorite song lyrics (She said I’m Miss Muffet, I’m very afraid/But something inside me is making me stay/I’m know deep down that if I run away/I’ll just meet more spiders and still feel the same) and I do like that message, because it feels very much in line with the Ninth Doctor’s story.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 4, 2017 19:28:17 GMT
One day at a time is best.
I'll do the same.
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Post by coffeeaddict on May 4, 2017 21:21:40 GMT
The set was much better than I expected. The writing was fantastic. Nick's take on 9 was okay though at times it got on my nerves a little bit. Still in all I enjoyed it.
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Post by Whovitt on May 5, 2017 13:23:15 GMT
Okay, just listened to The Mirror on the Moor. Have to say, it's not as good as The Bleeding Heart, though Nick's Eccleston impression is very good most of the time, even if it sounds like Eccleston with a cold more often than not; still, Eccleston with a cold still sounds like Eccleston The celebrity author had very little to do, and almost feels wasted. I'm sure there are plenty of parallels to Wuthering Heights, but as I've never read the book I can't speak to that. The plot wasn't very exciting, and it was pretty slow a lot of the time, chewing it's way from point to point a bit too leisurely with not enough sense of urgency (which the story felt like it was trying - unsuccessfully - to build). This one also felt a lot more like a straight audio-book than an Early Adventure, but that's probably because Laura Riseborough doesn't really have very much to do in it. Having said all that, I still liked it Overall, it's not as good as it's predecessor, though I'm still very optimistic for the rest of the set
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Post by theotherjosh on May 5, 2017 16:10:53 GMT
The Widow on the MoorI think the biggest problem with writing a Ninth Doctor story is structural. We see the person he was in Rose and we see the person he was in Parting and there is not a lot of difference between them. There’s not a lot of room for a Colin Baker style afterlife on the audios. Big Finish always surpasses my expectations and they may find a way to pull a rabbit out of a hat, but it seems they’re locked into continuity and they can’t change the Ninth Doctor too far from what we see onscreen. That’s not a huge problem for me, as I rather like what we see onscreen, but it does somewhat limit the kind of stories that can be told about him, but I think Big Finish is managing very nicely within those constraints. It opens with a mystery, which is always a good start to a story and the mood is nicely unsettling. I didn’t think I’d like this one, because the aspect of the set I was most interested in exploring was the opportunity to hear stories about the Ninth Doctor that didn’t feature Rose. I liked her as an audience surrogate in the show, but I didn’t care for her much beyond that. So while I was disappointed to see her here, I was happy the see her sidelined early. The splitting up of the party also remedied what I felt was the biggest deficiency of the first story. It had no B plot and was thus very linear, but the Doctor’s story intertwines with and reinforces Rose’s here. I like audio plays because they have an economy audio books like this lack. I was thinking about this when the Doctor got smacked with a musket by a baddie. Just because of the differences in the formats, that took twice as long to describe as the same action would in an audio play. It’s just a constraint of the format. On the other hand, it’s easier to convey the Doctor’s reasoning, as the narration can take care of that and it allows the author to quickly convey details, such as when the Doctor gets a summary of the situation from Marion or when the Duke runs it down for Rose. I didn’t realize Nick was quite as good with voices as this. It wasn’t difficult to distinguish the characters at all, even without dialogue tags. His Ninth Doctor is really starting to grow on me. My experience was similar to Whovitt’s. There were probably a bunch of references to Wuthering Heights, but they were all lost on me. However, I like that there is a subgenre of Doctor Who, wherein he meets a historical author (H.G. Wells, Mary Shelley) and the author’s most famous work turns out to be a Roman à clef account of his or her adventures with the Doctor. I kind of love that this is a thing. Somebody needs to write a story with L. Frank Baum!
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Post by Zagreus on May 5, 2017 16:21:34 GMT
The Widow on the MoorThere were probably a bunch of references to Wuthering Heights, but they were all lost on me. Just so you know, in the Vortex article this month, the author said that they actually eschewed the more obvious Wuthering Heights, and based this tale on Emily's earlier fantasy prose & poems from her juvenilia instead.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 5, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
The Widow on the MoorThere were probably a bunch of references to Wuthering Heights, but they were all lost on me. Just so you know, in the Vortex article this month, the author said that they actually eschewed the more obvious Wuthering Heights, and based this tale on Emily's earlier fantasy prose & poems from her juvenilia instead. That's very interesting. I'll read that once I've finished the stories. On the surface it seems like a strange decision, because it's the intersection of two rather niche interests. I'd be curious in finding out what led up to that choice.
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Post by Zagreus on May 5, 2017 17:13:54 GMT
Just so you know, in the Vortex article this month, the author said that they actually eschewed the more obvious Wuthering Heights, and based this tale on Emily's earlier fantasy prose & poems from her juvenilia instead. That's very interesting. I'll read that once I've finished the stories. On the surface it seems like a strange decision, because it's the intersection of two rather niche interests. I'd be curious in finding out what led up to that choice. Here's a link to a wikipedia overview of the setting. It's quite interesting; I think I might have to track down a collection of the poems. Shame that so much of it has been lost to time... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondal_(fictional_country)
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Post by theotherjosh on May 5, 2017 17:24:45 GMT
That's very interesting. I'll read that once I've finished the stories. On the surface it seems like a strange decision, because it's the intersection of two rather niche interests. I'd be curious in finding out what led up to that choice. Here's a link to a wikipedia overview of the setting. It's quite interesting; I think I might have to track down a collection of the poems. Shame that so much of it has been lost to time... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondal_(fictional_country)Very interesting. Also, that introduced me to the word "paracosm" which is great word that I'm going to use as much as possible. Thank you sir!
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Post by kimalysong on May 5, 2017 18:47:39 GMT
Well I hate to say this but after the first story I could not get into the format. When it was just dialogue it was fine but when they got into the long narrated bits my mind would start to wander. I honestly missed most of the first story so I can't really say what I thought about it.
I will say I thought Brigg's impression of the 9th Doctor was excellent however. I am not sure what Christopher Eccleston would make of it but having just re-watched the 9th Doctor era and having him fresh in my mind not once did I think this wasn't the 9th Doctor. I mean I knew it wasn't but my mind could forget that while listening.
I don't know maybe I will have an easier time following the other 3 stories (especially the last 2 with characters I am more familiar with should help I think) But as of now I probably won't be continuing with the 10th and 11th Doctors if they stick to this same format. The format is just too close to an audio book for me and that just doesn't work for me personally. I think if it was told in the first person by the character with the Doctor (with way less narration) I might also have had an easier time with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 19:34:09 GMT
I love the Ninth Doctor's era but this style of reading is what stopped me from purchasing, as I know when I listen to straight audiobooks my mind wanders too much to follow them.
For whatever reason, 3rd-person narration causes a disconnect with my brain. Wish this wasn't the case as I would have a long list of audiobooks I would love to listen to!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 14:55:48 GMT
Everything that was old is new again in The Bleeding Heart. Big Finish kick off their proper foray into the Ninth Doctor's era on a high note.
Wisely running with (Big Finish and Titan have a great relationship) and a potentially wary wider audience, Big Finish begin with a rare glimpse into Nine's existence before Rose. From Big Finish's ever fertile minds, it yields brilliant results.
Yes, this is a tale spun from Nine's era in Ecclestone's absence, but there is no sense of lightness here. Rather then simply trying to replicate the era in prose, The Bleeding Heart is a tale for it's format. Acting as a coda for The War Doctor series as it was intended to stand and now sadly is, Big Finish wisely use the reflective nature of the prose format to explore the distance between Nine's conception of and the and the tragedy of it through the lens of . And while this is a tale which could easily be given the full-cast, it's power lies in that space between, into the glimpses of the broken man whose regret will save a thousand worlds that only prose can provide. To be done otherwise, would dilute it's power.
Nick Brigg's narration is exelempary and he is accompanied by brilliant performances throughout accompanied by some nicely compliementry layed sound design which never feels intrustive . The effect is one of glimpsing throughhe vapors into this unknown undefined period of Nine's life.
The tragedy is truly felt. We see our favourite Time Lord struggle to define himself in peace time, the last Time Lord in existance. The man who did the right thing - the only thing- to save the universe with none of War's personal consolation. Here, his hearts broken, his soul torn asunder, it's truly tragic. The Doctor as we've never known him again, without Rose, before coming back to Earth, before it all began again and fell apart, his self-deprecation never far behind him as he tries to be the bumbling eccentric, the man he was before. And it's painful to see, as he intrusively tries to uncover details about the or self-deprecetly ruins his chances at putting at ease.
And Big Finish play their cards right. It'd be one thing - the tale at first appears to be a haunting reprisal of the moral quandaries of the original series - an antagonist attempting to put out the flames of war gone awry. Nine struggling to say the words of his revisited Big Finish preddesscors, the newfound uncertianity pulling at his hearts. But, that's the trajectory of the 2005 series. Instead, the shadows of the Time War engulf our favourite Time Lord once more and he is lost to them.
Our Doctor, untouched by power, untouched by heartbreak, sharply putting words. And, but the twist far more tragic, with the shadows of the Time War dragging our favourite Time Lord back in. The Doctor is still broken. Until he meets the woman who makes him better.
Big Finish also nail the grounded humanity feel of the RTD era. The characters are all nicely reliased, people in their own right.
As a coda to The War Doctor series as it was intended to stand and, it is particularly strong.
And that tragedy is truly felt. We see our favourite Time Lord struggle to define himself in peace time, his self-deprecation never far behind him.
would make this tale lose it's power, thanks in no part to Nick Brigg's excellent narration and the brilliant performances from the other actors. The effect is a glimpse from
, in which we see, no thanks in part to Nick Brigg's excellent narration. The performances and the, as if we're getting, through the.
We're not. That's the journey of the televised. Instead, the cruel random hand of fate, is that, dragging our Time Lord further back into his own darkness. The darkness that will never leave him.
The plot itself appears, but is something quite different. A tale which would be expected - of - of attempting to - is, but what happens.
And that tragedy is further. We see our hero trying to make his way, trying -
And while, yes, this is a tale spun from Nine's era in Ecclestone's absence, there's no sense of lightiness here. Rather then simply trying to replicate the era in prose, The Bleeding Heart is a tale for it's format.
And what a painful experience it is. We see, wavering, his, it's.
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Post by Whovitt on May 6, 2017 14:58:17 GMT
Just finished The Other Side. I very much enjoyed this one - it maintained Adam's character very well, but it also gave him a couple of moments to shine too. Nick's impressions of both Christopher Eccleston and Billie Piper are very good in their own ways (the Eccleston impression sounds spot on, and the intonation and delivery of Piper's dialogue is also very good). The story itself sits beautifully between Dalek and The Long Game, and almost (*almost*) makes Adam's "betrayal" and subsequent trip home feel a bit sad - @scotthandcock managed to "redeem" Adam to some extent, and his actions in The Long Game certainly begin to feel much more the "betrayal" that it was intended to be. The story is also just a bit of good fun, which is what I'm always looking for in a Doctor Who story, so anyone looking for that would feel right at home here With just one story to go, I have no regrets about getting this set!
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Post by relativetime on May 6, 2017 17:45:27 GMT
Just finished the set today and, I have to say, I am not at all disappointed. My favorite was easily Retail Therapy - Camille Coduri has some wonderful moments with the Doctor that make me appreciate Jackie Tyler even more. I also really liked The Other Side - I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Adam. And as has already been stated, Nicholas Brigg's impression of Christopher Eccleston was absolutely uncanny - it didn't take me out of the stories for even a moment. If and when the second volume of The Ninth Doctor Chronicles is announced, I'm definitely preordering.
That being said, I'm still a bit skeptical of The Tenth Doctor Chronicles and The Eleventh Doctor Chronicles - I don't know how good Brigg's impressions of Ten and Eleven are, but I don't think they'll be of the same calibre of his Ninth Doctor impression. I think whether I preorder the sets or not will largely depend on who else is in the cast and who's writing. So, knowing Big Finish, I'll probably end up getting the sets anyways - I'm intrigued to see what's in store.
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