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Post by mrperson on Jul 5, 2017 23:02:28 GMT
Interesting. I can see why they ultimately passed on it, considering the similarity to the Key to Time arc just the year before. It would also have been too expensive for TV. The Doctor has been menaced by green bubblewrap.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 6, 2017 1:44:22 GMT
Interesting. I can see why they ultimately passed on it, considering the similarity to the Key to Time arc just the year before. That... and the fact that it sounds terrible.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 6, 2017 5:40:05 GMT
There's a tiny part of me wants these audio afapted by Big Finish.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 6, 2017 8:54:51 GMT
It would also have been too expensive for TV. The Doctor has been menaced by green bubblewrap. For a monster hardly as hard to realise as a load of different locations in one story. Keys of Marinus and the Key to Time did it but they are two very rare exceptions.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 6, 2017 9:19:18 GMT
Interesting. I can see why they ultimately passed on it, considering the similarity to the Key to Time arc just the year before. It would also have been too expensive for TV. They'd probably would have given it a good try. In retrospect a convincing giant squid monster was beyond them, but that didn't stop them predicating an entire story on one.
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Post by bobod on Jul 6, 2017 9:20:58 GMT
The Doctor has been menaced by green bubblewrap. For a monster hardly as hard to realise as a load of different locations in one story. Keys of Marinus and the Key to Time did it but they are two very rare exceptions. You're undermining your own argument there. You could have just said Marinus. The Key to Time is six stories and so has six story budgets. It's not relevant to what can be achieved or not on one story budget.
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Post by number13 on Jul 6, 2017 10:34:46 GMT
For a monster hardly as hard to realise as a load of different locations in one story. Keys of Marinus and the Key to Time did it but they are two very rare exceptions. You're undermining your own argument there. You could have just said Marinus. The Key to Time is six stories and so has six story budgets. It's not relevant to what can be achieved or not on one story budget. In practice, five-and-a-half story budgets...
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Post by mrperson on Jul 6, 2017 22:42:56 GMT
The Doctor has been menaced by green bubblewrap. For a monster hardly as hard to realise as a load of different locations in one story. Keys of Marinus and the Key to Time did it but they are two very rare exceptions. Well, Key to Time doesn't fairly count (Bobod). You've got to bear in mind that all sets wobbled back in the day, in British TV, for one thing. Then you've got to consider the fact that at the point Adams suggested this script, Who fans were well-accustomed to laughably cheap sets. My remark sounded like it was tongue-in-cheek given its brevity, but I actually did mean it. Monsters were bubble wrap. Or sheets wrapped around something then spray-painted. A ship was a little model someone dangled in front of a camera, and you could even see the string at times. And in the earliest parts, they didn't appear to do retakes, so you had scenes where Hartnell would get a line wrong and catch himself, then say the right line. This stuff so common that, as a joke in the now-animated Power of the Daleks (I think), the animators included a scene where the Dalek appears to run into where the cameraman would've been, and you see the image wobble, since that was a kind of thing that could happen and still make it into a filmed episode. So sure, The Krikkitmen would've looked ridiculous. But so did just about everything. The only way to really enjoy the episodes was to laugh it off and focus on the story (or, if capable, straight-up ignore it). Anyway, perhaps I ought to be glad it didn't get made. Adams is the perfect comedic writer, but when he actually drafted a script (The Pirate Planet), his humor didn't work for me the way it usually does in his books. [Edits: it was weird. I absolutely love Adams' books, but Pirate Planet felt like someone was trying to hard to be funny. It had a few moments but was mainly "meh" for me. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the things I put down to Tom improvising were actually script edits by Adams. Tom would be the perfect actor for Adams to write].
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 10, 2017 4:57:47 GMT
I'm very much looking forward to this. I wonder exactly how much it'll end up having in common with Life, the Universe, and Everything: just the overall plot or more-or-less the same story with different protagonists?
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 10, 2017 16:57:16 GMT
I'm very much looking forward to this. I wonder exactly how much it'll end up having in common with Life, the Universe, and Everything: just the overall plot or more-or-less the same story with different protagonists? I agree, it will be fascinating to see what plans he had for the story and how it evolved into the 'Life, the Universe and Everything' that we know. I've got to think there will be plenty of original ideas there, as I can't imagine James Goss would be particularly keen to write the novel unless it promised something quite exciting.
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Post by bobod on Jul 11, 2017 9:17:53 GMT
I'm very much looking forward to this. I wonder exactly how much it'll end up having in common with Life, the Universe, and Everything: just the overall plot or more-or-less the same story with different protagonists? I agree, it will be fascinating to see what plans he had for the story and how it evolved into the 'Life, the Universe and Everything' that we know. I've got to think there will be plenty of original ideas there, as I can't imagine James Goss would be particularly keen to write the novel unless it promised something quite exciting. James was asked on stage (during supposedly a Torchwood panel!) about Krikkitmen. He said something along the lines of "Oh you'll all be sitting there saying 'Oh yeah, I know what that is - Life, The Universe and Everything'." and then told a story about getting into the Adams Archive when doing Pirate Planet and looking through lots of stuff and finding a big box (pile?) marked 'Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen'. "And I thought 'Oh yeah, I know what that is - Life, The Universe and Everything' and then I started going through it all'.
So, yeah you're quite right, I think the very reason there is a novel coming is because it has been discovered to be creatively worth doing.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 12, 2017 7:15:40 GMT
I agree, it will be fascinating to see what plans he had for the story and how it evolved into the 'Life, the Universe and Everything' that we know. I've got to think there will be plenty of original ideas there, as I can't imagine James Goss would be particularly keen to write the novel unless it promised something quite exciting. James was asked on stage (during supposedly a Torchwood panel!) about Krikkitmen. He said something along the lines of "Oh you'll all be sitting there saying 'Oh yeah, I know what that is - Life, The Universe and Everything'." and then told a story about getting into the Adams Archive when doing Pirate Planet and looking through lots of stuff and finding a big box (pile?) marked 'Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen'. "And I thought 'Oh yeah, I know what that is - Life, The Universe and Everything' and then I started going through it all'.
So, yeah you're quite right, I think the very reason there is a novel coming is because it has been discovered to be creatively worth doing.
Well, I was already excited, but now I can't wait to see what Adams and Goss have in store for us.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Feb 9, 2018 19:36:58 GMT
I haven't got round to reading this book yet - I'm behind in my reading, I'm only up to 1946 (believe it or not) and funnily enough, Maurice Richardson's short story of that year "The Last Detective Story in the World" ends with a scene that bears a striking similarity to what goes on in "Life the Universe and Everything" and, I assume, "and the Krikkitmen" as well: {Spoiler} the missing atom bomb (the MacGuffin Sherlock Holmes's great detectives are supposed to be protecting, except they lost it, from Moriarty's great villains) is inside the cricket ball being bowled at Lord's by Raffles...
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 19, 2018 15:13:55 GMT
Having now read the book, I've got a question. In the final pages James Goss presents an opening to an alternative draft using a post-SJA Sarah Jane Smith rather than Romana. Sarah recalls meeting some Doctors, which clearly reference 3 The Five Doctors and her New Series/SJA encounters with 10 and 11. Then there's her having tea with a Doctor who, by the description, must be Capaldi's. But who is the scampering clown she meets next, who exclaims that one of them ought not to be there? Is that supposed to be the second Doctor, out of order?
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 19, 2018 16:06:57 GMT
Irony of ironies!
Finally, after he has been barred and left the forum, one of dalekbuster's predictions actually turns out to be correct!
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Post by Star Platinum on Jul 19, 2018 16:28:07 GMT
Irony of ironies!
Finally, after he has been barred and left the forum, one of dalekbuster's predictions actually turns out to be correct!
Be fair, Dalekbuster made so many predictions that statistically one or two were bound to be right.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 21, 2018 15:45:17 GMT
Talking of predictions... is there any scope for further novelisations in this series after 'Scratchman'? OK, maybe 'The Dark Dimension', but if you've ever read the script you wouldn't wish turning it into something worthwhile on anybody. So, are there any other 'big' unfilmed stories out there? I suppose there are Milton Subotsky's two movies from the 1960s and the 1980s, but one of those was a retreat of a TV story and I don't suppose either got very far in planning. Then there are the Nth Doctor plots, but I doubt anybody would welcome those. "The Spare Part People" might be worth looking at, in the unlikely event anybody's found the script in the last thirty years. But let's go for broke. Let's go for an EVENT. How about, this - www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/12/tony-lees-pitch-for-a-doctor-whodeep-space-9-crossover/This ought to have been the follow-up to the dreary Star Trek The Next Generation/11th Doctor crossover "Assimilation2", but IDW lost the DW licence. It's a detailed plot, a lot going on, and incorporates elements from three whole TV shows. Furthermore, apparently the Star Trek novel rights are a bit up-in-the-air at the moment, so if ever there's a time to strike while the iron is hot, it's now....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 9:14:00 GMT
Talking of predictions... is there any scope for further novelisations in this series after 'Scratchman'? OK, maybe 'The Dark Dimension', but if you've ever read the script you wouldn't wish turning it into something worthwhile on anybody. So, are there any other 'big' unfilmed stories out there? I suppose there are Milton Subotsky's two movies from the 1960s and the 1980s, but one of those was a retreat of a TV story and I don't suppose either got very far in planning. Then there are the Nth Doctor plots, but I doubt anybody would welcome those. "The Spare Part People" might be worth looking at, in the unlikely event anybody's found the script in the last thirty years. But let's go for broke. Let's go for an EVENT. How about, this - www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/12/tony-lees-pitch-for-a-doctor-whodeep-space-9-crossover/This ought to have been the follow-up to the dreary Star Trek The Next Generation/11th Doctor crossover "Assimilation2", but IDW lost the DW licence. It's a detailed plot, a lot going on, and incorporates elements from three whole TV shows. Furthermore, apparently the Star Trek novel rights are a bit up-in-the-air at the moment, so if ever there's a time to strike while the iron is hot, it's now.... I'm trawling through The Hidden Planet and Shannon Sullivan looking for Lost Stories with full scripts and I'm really struggling to find any that haven't yet met the light of day. I think that's rather great. So, many of these stories have found a home for themselves in one respect or another. From The Nightmare Fair to Farewell, Great Macedon, they can all be enjoyed in full. Aside from the DS9 crossover idea (which is brilliant), the only others I can find that reached full scripts are Douglas Camfield's The Lost Legion and the ever infamous and elusive Killers of the Dark (or The Killer Cats of Geng-Singh). The latter of which appeals to me as maybe Gallifrey's answer to the Silurians. Stephen Fry's The 1920s could be very interesting to see in its entirety as well, given his immense fondness for P.G. Wodehouse.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 22, 2018 13:39:00 GMT
Talking of predictions... is there any scope for further novelisations in this series after 'Scratchman'? OK, maybe 'The Dark Dimension', but if you've ever read the script you wouldn't wish turning it into something worthwhile on anybody. Well that and Mr. Rigelsford's reputation. Or complete black hole-lack thereof
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